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Title: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: CCP on February 18, 2010, 07:45:07 PM

Not trying to SPAM you guys are talk you into anything but want to share something with you that I believe will be very helpful to coyote hunting in the future.

As we have all seen coyote hunting has become the largest growing hunting sport in the world. The coyote population has exploded and the coyote hunters have exploded in numbers. Seems there are 1,000 new coyote hunters a day.

With this influx of interest we have seen many try and cash in on it from calls, DVD’s, clubs and contest. It seems a lot of people are going in all these different directions and the leaders of the pack or in the direction of the money.

One of the largest growing things lately are the introduction of clubs and organizations claiming they want to help coyote hunters . They self appoint themselves and play hide and seek with the money. They want club dues and in return you can hunt in their contest. No clear direction and no real help to coyote hunters other than lining their pockets.

Most of these clubs only want to create membership and to do that they only promote contest. These contests create more money which pulls in more members and sponsors. The only time they do anything for the coyote hunting community is when they have an agenda that fits into this. Mostly pushing for night hunting where ever they pop up so they can add more contest and members. We as coyote hunter need more than contest. We need real coyote hunters fighting for all coyote hunters and getting everyone’s side discussed not just the ones with one-sided agendas.

I get tired of it and have been searching for a group to be a part of that will promote coyote hunting in a good light and actually has the backing to get things done. A group that promotes fund raisers to help others and to help hunters keep their heritage and not let coyote hunting be lead in the way of the deer hunting.

A lot of you have heard of Safari International? For those that haven’t  one branch  of SCI has spent $140 million since 2000 protecting the freedom to hunt through policy advocacy, litigation and education for federal and state legislators to ensure hunting is protected for future generations.

Another branch has provided $47 million since 2000 to conservation, wildlife education, and humanitarian programs around the world. Growth of SCIF has continued to gain momentum through charitable donations from SCI members and direct grants from local chapters and the SCI organization.

Fortunately a well known and respected coyote hunter that was previously involved in SCI contacted them and has taken the steps to procure a coyote hunting chapter of SCI. It is IPCSCI. (International Predator Callers Safari Club International.)

Here is a link to the new website.

http://ipcsci.org/ (http://ipcsci.org/)



I am proud to be a part of this and the Steering committee. Here is a list of the steering committee you will find some of the best proponents of the coyote hunting industry.

1.   Richard Baxter....... Eastern Coyote Forum, videographer
2. Gerry Blair............ World famous author, videographer, columnist, philosopher,etc. etc.
3. Murry Burnham....... World famous hunter, caller, call maker, videographer, predator calling pioneer
4. Mike Burris........... World Coyote Calling Contest promoter (AZ.) ATA Vice-President, Arizona Predator Callers President
5. Steve Craig.......... The Lion King, SW Furharvestors co-founder, predator guide, trapper
6. Les Johnson........ No room for Les' bio ...click on http://www.predatorquest.com/
7. Ronnie Robison.... 2005 FoxPro Sportsman of the Year, Prostaff Predator Sniper Styx, Lohman GoldStaff 21 years
8. Mory Tait ........... Two time World Predator Calling Champion 1966, 1967
9. Dr. Frank Turkowski.. Research Biologist, Author, WS trapper, predator caller
10. Mark Zepp........... Producer and videographer of some of the best predator DVDs made.


This is a proposed chapter of Safari Club International that shows real promise and can be checked out here...
http://ipcsci.org/forum/index.php?sid=1109...e23ea7c143029b8 (http://ipcsci.org/forum/index.php?sid=1109...e23ea7c143029b8)


Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: HaMeR on February 18, 2010, 08:11:29 PM
 :yoyo: :yoyo:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 18, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
I'm in.  :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Rich Higgins on February 18, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
I'm in. :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: alscalls on February 18, 2010, 09:03:03 PM
 :yoyo: :yoyo: :yoyo:

You still aint sent me your address in a PM.......... :innocentwhistle:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 18, 2010, 09:19:15 PM
International Predator Callers will be a chartered with Safari Club Internationl
The reasons to be part of SCI


Mon, 02/08/2010 - 16:27 â€" admin

SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL

Safari Club International is serious about protecting hunting freedoms. In many ways, SCI is first in legislation, litigation and international advocacy for hunting.

SCI has its own lobbyists in Washington DC, in addition to a well-staffed office on Capitol Hill. SCI is a 501(c)(4) organization that has a connected PAC.
SCI regularly attends worldwide meetings, such as CITES, to speak up for hunting.
SCI has approximately 190 chapters and 50,000 members.
SCI provides strong support for grassroots chapters who work at the state and local level to preserve hunting freedom.
SCI partners with other organizations as well as federal and state agencies in litigation against anti-hunting initiatives.
SCI is a leader in hunter education and wildlife conservation, preserving wildlife for the next generation of hunters.
SCI spent $280 million from 1979 to 2008 on hunter advocacy and wildlife conservation.  Breaking that down:
SCI 501(c)(4) has spent $140 million since 2000 protecting the freedom to hunt through policy advocacy, litigation and education for federal and state legislators to ensure hunting is protected for future generations. Because its advocacy is firmly rooted in sound science of wildlife conservation, SCI holds a credible position in the hunting and conservation community.
SCI Foundation (SCIF) 501(c)(3) has provided $47 million since 2000 to conservation, wildlife education, and humanitarian programs around the world. Growth of SCIF has continued to gain momentum through charitable donations from SCI members and direct grants from local chapters and the SCI organization.
SCI Legal Task Force Committee has engaged the anti sustainable-use community in federal and state courtrooms around the country. SCI fights to support and defend hunting as a recreational opportunity, a wildlife management strategy and a conservation tool.
SCIF continues to strengthen our emphasis on North American conservation, with major support for two predator-prey projects and involvement in several projects throughout the continent.
SCI's publications, Safari Magazine (7x year) and Safari Times newspaper (12x year) publications have been recognized for their world-class articles on hunting, firearms and identifying threats to our hunting heritage. The “In the Crosshairs” e-newsletter provides breaking news to more than 45,000 members on a weekly basis.
SCI’s annual convention is widely viewed as the largest gathering of hunters and the hunting industry in the world attracting more than 22,000 attendees and dedicated SCI members. This year's keynote speaker (Saturday, Jan. 23, 2010) was President George W. Bush.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: NASA on February 19, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: vvarmitr on February 19, 2010, 04:01:04 PM
I'm working on it.  :confused:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 19, 2010, 04:46:20 PM
If any one wants money there comming to the wrong hunter. If they want my support with out the money then they have my full support. Being a member of the IPSCI forums dont cost nothing....yet
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Rich Higgins on February 21, 2010, 12:07:01 PM
Slagmaker, the dues to join SCI is $50, an additional $20 to join the IPC chapter. All of the funds finance the conservation projects, legal defense costs and humanitarian projects such as the "Wounded Warrior" hunts that we are planning at this time.
All of the participants.. general members, directors and officers are volunteers and are not paid or compensated for their time... no one is enriching themselves in this organization. In fact the conflict of interest by-laws prohibit anyone who makes their living in the sport from serving as an elected officer or board member.
Perhaps an occasional manufacturer or promoter will attempt to profit from SCI but they will encounter a layer of obstructions.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 21, 2010, 12:19:08 PM
Rich Sorry if I came across like they were out for money. I know this to be the farthest thing from the truth. Its just I dont have no money. None. Caput, wallets empty, I take a shot only when I know I am gona hit it and not waste the 23.57 cents that it will cost me to reload the shell kind of broke.

I applaud the efforts of the SCI and will whole heartedly support them as to the best of my abilitys. Its just right now my abilitys aint that durn much.

I wish them nothing but the best in this venture.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Rich Higgins on February 21, 2010, 01:30:45 PM
slagmaker, I didn't think that you were implying that SCI was "out for money". I know that money is very tight for a lot of us right now.
I just took the opportunity to extoll the virtue of the SCI philosophy.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: HaMeR on February 21, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
QuoteBeing a member of the IPSCI forums dont cost nothing

:confused:

Thank you for your recent interest in the IPCSCI forum.  Unfortunately the bulletin board is for chapter members and business only.  I apologize if you're already a member and I did not recognize your name or email address.

Please contact me directly if you have any questions.

Gary Clevenger
membership@IPCSCI.org
ph 661-269-9534


What am I missing on the free forums??  :confused:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 21, 2010, 05:27:11 PM
Looks like the forums arn't so free after all.

Hay I am not saying anything negative. You just cant be a member of the forums if-n-ya dont pay up. I wish the IPCSCI all the best.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: HaMeR on February 21, 2010, 07:53:22 PM
It's only a problem for now. Until I get back to work that is.  :eyebrow:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: KySongDog on February 21, 2010, 07:55:14 PM
So does it cost $70 each year to belong to IPCSCI?   Or $70 the first year and $20 each year thereafter?   :confused:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 21, 2010, 08:03:36 PM
If I read it right its $70 every year. $50 for the SCI membership and $20 for the IPC part of it.



Got to watch calling it just by the IPC acronym. It could also be mistaken for the "Indiana Predator Challenge" and that would just be giving JRB free publicity.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 21, 2010, 08:53:19 PM
Most of you know that I won't join crap that costs money. I, like most of us, have seen so many of these fly by night, crooked SOB's in this sport that it makes my stomach turn when I even read their name or even have a very brief thought of them. Oops, just writing that made me think of a several of them and I tasted some vomit in my mouth.
Anyway, when I went through what Safari Club International has been doing for a long time with hunting it made me go...........hmmm.  :wo:
I dug a little deeper and this bunch is really in it for hunting. Nobody can vote themselves in forever, so that means nobody can grab a stranglehold on power, profits, or whatever.  God knows we've seen enough of that in the last few years. Term limits is a novel idea.  :wink:
The "Wounded Warrior" project was what really grabbed me. We have the LBL every year and always have a blast. I love you guys that I see at the LBL. Almost all that attend are in this sport for the love of it, not to profit from it or build our names. What if we could have our wounded warriors who have sacrificed so much for this country come to this hunt. There's plenty of us that know the LBL. We couldn't guarantee them a coyote, but we could guarantee them our camaraderie, our gratitude, our love of our sport, our time. These men aren't looking for a handout, they are looking for the chance to do what men like to do, but now might need some help. What if we could make a difference in their lives. Ft. Campbell is close to the hunt. The home of the 101st Airborne and the 5th Special Forces Group. It's just a thought and I am in no way saying let's do this right now. I'm just saying, let's think about sharing a day with some of our heroes that our government likes to forget. What would one day with a wounded warrior hurt us at a 3,4 or 5 day hunt?
Semp is one of my heroes on this board. I call him my internet "Dad". There's reasons for that. One of them is he went and fought for my right to write anything I want on here. I may not say it, but I hope I always show it to him that I appreciate his service for our country. I'd like to be able to show that to some others. If not the LBL, then at least somewhere.

Peace to my brothers in the sport.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 21, 2010, 10:02:47 PM
I agree with ya 110% there Bop.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Rich Higgins on February 22, 2010, 08:50:11 AM
Major Boddiker and Lance Homman have joined the steering committee.

There is a Guest Forum at the top of the IPCSCI page. You do not have to be a member or even register to post . If you have questions or suggestions please post there.

Bopeye, Chris Hasty , a director of PVCI, is in charge of the Wounded Warrior Hunt that he has scheduled for Oct. It will be the first predator hunt that Wounded Warriors has scheduled and Chris is going to do it properly. He will bring the three big Arizona clubs together to provide EVERYTHING the Warriors will need. We will have a campout staging area where one of the large conservation organizations will feed everyone. The local TV stations will be invited to share the event with the public to help spread awareness of the soldiers plight and the humanitarian efforts of the sporstmen.
If you are interested in promoting a Wounded Warrior hunt we can provide you with contact info with the WW org.
I'll keep you apprised of our progress now through the event.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 22, 2010, 09:44:15 AM
All of this makes me wish even harder that I could afford a membership.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Gary in CA on February 23, 2010, 08:18:57 AM
Let me just say hello and add a bit of information.  Hello.

If you've spent the last dozen years complaining about the ph community's lack of representation in 2A and hunting advocacy groups, let's do something about it.  The first day I started on this project, I was energized. The second morning I woke up and said,"What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

It was a long process to get to the new Predator Callers Chapter of SCI.  And it's going to take a few years - and a lot of work by a lot of folks - to make it work.  I am a very temporary steward of parts of the fledgling organization.  Soon enough there will be an elected board, elected officers, and I will just be another member, another gear in the machine.  I hope.  If i'm lucky, I'll work myself out of this job in short order and just be a committee worker bee.

Richard gave you the outline of SCI's organization and benefits.  Getting hooked up with SCI, who many say is #1 in hunting, seems natural.  They can give the ph community a national voice on legislation and regulations that effect both predator hunting and land access.  And we don't have to reinvent anything.  The  incorporation, finance, legal contacts, DC lobbyists, and local, regional, and national organization are SCI's and are already in place.  

Rich gave you an idea of the other hunters who also think this is a great idea.  It seems like everyone who hears about recognizes the opportunity and potential it offers.  No one has come up with a good reason not to join, except money.  If $75 seems like a lot to you, it probably is.

Predator hunters need a voice.  Safari Club has one.  What we don't have is a voice within Safari Club.  How do we get there?

Part of the answer is membership.  The Chapter needs members.  You are invited to join.

Membership is not free.  But it's infinitely cheaper to organize the ph community this way than for any other group to do it on their own.  National membership at SCI is $55 per year or $150 for three years.  Chapter annual dues average $20 across the club - so I temporarily set them at $20.  So $55 national + $20 chapter add up to $75 each year.  The chapter also pays one-third of the net of an annual fundraiser or $2000 to headquarters.  That's the price of organizing under SCI's big tent.  If the ph community gets a national voice, it's cheap.  How do we get noticed?

Part of that answer is good works.  There is a lot of energy without an outlet, so the wounded warrior projects are a natural partnership.  Coyote calling is perfect for bringing game to the hunter without much of a budget, limited licensing requirements, and no seasons, limits, lotteries, or zones.  It doesn't interfere with your own hunting either.  It isn't a 12-pointer.  It's a coyote.  SCI Foundation touts 700 disabled hunters being brought to the game.  IPC can bring game to the hunter and surpass SCI's current totals in the first 3-5 years if we work at it.  So that gets us noticed.  What else can we do?

Many hunters within SCI are awards-driven.  They want the club's awards.  And IPC is going to offer awards for some unique hunts.  Like called lions, bears, leopards, hyenas and other large dangerous predators.  We expect some of SCI's prominent hunters to join the chapter once we've been noticed.  Hunters are also social.  And since IPC is a national organization, our members should plan on also joining a local chapter of SCI.  Expect to make new friends, find new hunting opportunities, and explore other outlets for your energy.

SCI requires me to set up an initial organization, pencil in some names, and set fees.  In a few months, after the National Membership Committee of SCI considers our chapter application at the May board meeting in DC, the new board will revisit all issues, missions, governance, and finance.  Some of the highlights of the chapter's planned bylaws include transparent finances, elected governance, and majority recalls.

The things we aren't.  
If you have questions, call me.  I'm in the book in Acton CA.

Gary Clevenger
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: bigben on February 23, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
so I got one question.  is this IPCSCI going to come lobby for laws in my home state or is it mainly for national laws?
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 23, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: bigben on February 23, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
so I got one question.  is this IPCSCI going to come lobby for laws in my home state or is it mainly for national laws?

The way I understand it Ben, they don't really fight for law changes as much as they fight to protect hunting as a whole.

"SCI provides strong support for grassroots chapters who work at the state and local level to preserve hunting freedom."
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: bigben on February 24, 2010, 05:15:21 AM
I remember at one time someone said that all we needed was the NRA to protect our rights for guns and didn't need protection for coyote hunting.  hmm.  I guess minds do change. 
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: CCP on February 24, 2010, 05:51:32 AM
Ben I myself never would have imagined needing a coyote organization in years past. After seeing what has happened over the past several years it has grown so much with so many new experts trying to cash in and promote coyote hunting for fame and money.

These small groups and there followers are trying to push there agendas through without knowing or caring what the other coyote hunters want or need. A large group representing a much larger base of coyote hunters and the pros and cons of changing something is in order.

An example would be if I created a coyote club in Northeast AL with a couple hundred guys and we thought of something to change in the states law would it be fair or right for us to try and make change without some input from the other 10 or 20 thousand coyote hunters in the rest of the state?

A large group with the backing of a larger group would be able to poll coyote hunters from all across the state and be able to see all sides of a debate and come to a better conclusion to help all coyote hunters.As it is now we have small clubs trying to make change that will effect all coyote hunters.

My biggest concern now is the coyote hunting world is headed in the direction of  deer hunting.

From what I see contest club hunters are less than 1% of actual coyote hunters and coyote hunters that come on the  internet make up less than 20% of coyote hunters in the U.S.

It seems this 21% of coyote hunters are trying to make up the rules or promote without knowing what the other 80% want. Another good example is when I do shows here in the Southeast If I talk to 300 coyote hunters only 1 in 75 ( or less) seem to use the internet when ask. Alot of these guys are die hard coyote hunters.

Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 24, 2010, 06:39:44 AM
My mind has finally found an organization that I can trust. Not self appointed dicatators who take the money and give no account on where it's spent. There are no Contest hunts which I believe are very detrimental to the future of coyote hunting. They do not lobby to change the bills on the books which I also believe will be detrimental to the future of coyote hunting and so on.
If things keep going as they have been in the last few years, coyote hunting will go the way of deer hunting and bass fishing. It will all be about money and only the boys with cash will be able to play. Contests, leases, big game stamps, more regulations, restricted seasons, etc.
I like my laws like they are. They are a varmint that I can hunt year round if I choose. Let the different wildlife agencies and land owners any different and we will start paying a whole lot to play, plus only certain times of year, on and on.

Safari Club is to hunting what the NRA is to guns. They hold ground and launch counter offences when needed.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Gary in CA on February 24, 2010, 08:48:06 AM
Quote from: bigben on February 23, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
so I got one question.  is this IPCSCI going to come lobby for laws in my home state or is it mainly for national laws?

Ben,
It just isn't possible to accurately answer your question.  No one can say for certain what this new group within the bigger organization of SCI will do in the future.  That will be up to the new membership, board, and officers.

Right now, take a good look at the problem.  Predator hunters are severely under-represented in both the 2A and hunting rights organizations.  That's a fact.  As RB points out, small groups of a couple of hundred regional hunters can't accurately represent a national cross-section of the ph community, nor will they ever gain enough traction to effect legislative or regulatory policies at any regional, national, or international level, to any substantial degree.  

In a recent reminder of this lack of representation here in CA, the CBD, a particularly nasty group set up solely to sue anyone, anywhere and to stop all reasonable human access to public and private land, for recreation, development, or agriculture, recently attacked predator hunters using some trumped up science, and demanded that Fish & Game end coyote hunting on 1.4 million acres of desert.  In response to their petition, there were almost no resources available for help, because there is no single group dedicated to the problems of predator hunters. Without a quickly cobbled together letter writing campaign by a handful of dedicated predator hunters to stop the issue at Fish & Game's initial hearings, their petition could have ended coyote hunting on a large swath of desert forever.  It may still. That needs to change.  Coyote shooters need representation.

As JH says, if you can't trust yourself, who can you trust?  Do you belong to the NRA?  Or do you just trust them to do whatever is in a gun owner's best interest.  Do you belong to SCI?  Or do you just trust them to do whatever is in a predator hunter's best interest?  That's quite a leap.  As long as groups like the CBD are left largely unopposed, predator hunting anywhere remains at risk.

The job right now is very temporary and very narrow in scope.  It is to organize a group with fair governance and transparent finances, one that I would want to be a member.  Then, it is to recruit as many members as possible, from all over the world, anyone who hunts predators with a call.  Only then, hopefully, when a board and officers are elected, THEY will be listening to all the members, make good decisions on which issues and missions deserve their attention, and at some time in the near future, have the resources to do something about it.  Then, when any problem arises, whether it's confined to a local area or on a national scale, you will have a place to turn.

Right now, predator hunters have no voice at all.  It is my hope that they will have a small voice within the much larger and more influential circle of SCI in the future.  

Gary





Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 24, 2010, 09:03:02 AM
This all sounds great. It does it truley does. I am glad that an orginization like SCI is finally taking an intrest in perdator calling/hunting.


BUT I still have no money to join such an orginization and becasue of that I have no voice. Go figure, Even with all that SCI can do for hunitng and hunters it still boils down to the fact it takes money for a man to have a voice.

I wish the IPCSCI and the SCI all the luck in the world. But untill I get my financial status in better states I cant even say on there forum Good going, I cant even pat them on the back and say thanks cause I dont have the money to allow me to say thanks.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: bigben on February 24, 2010, 09:51:32 AM
trust me I am all for predator hunters having a voice on any level.  I do believe it is needed.  but some, only a few months ago at times claimed that coyote hunting did not need protected.  now all of a sudden it does.  I have been for any type of organization that stands up and fights for the rights of predator hunting and can keep the betterment of the sport of predator calling in their mind.  But there has been three organizations now that have popped up to my knowledge that claim that they will stand up and have a voice for predator hunting.  The npha, the APF and now the IPCSCI.  good luck with the task of fighting antis and anti hunting legislation on a national level.  your gonna need it.   :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 24, 2010, 10:43:15 AM
If I had the money to donate so that I could be a member of the IPCSCI, I sure as heck would. Of the organizations that you mentioned the SCI is the only one that puts there books right out there in the open for any and all to see. They have a very well defined agenda and it is spelled out in clear terms how they plan to meat that agenda. The officers are not in power for life and if someone in power falls into a questionable light they have a set of rules to deal with such a scenario. I would think that such an organization would take steps to insure that any new chapters would adhere to the same standards.

Does predator hunting need protecting? Well it would depend on your particular situation. Here in Indiana we have a season for taking of fur but its pretty much open season on private land with permission. Some states have no night hunting "Ky,for example" If the hunters in that state would like to have that reg changed they would have a organization that could help change that. The single man can not change government, but a single voice heard in the correct time and place can move a mountain. The SCI gets the voices where they need to be heard. Be it needing to be heard on state or federal levels.

Now I have a question for the SCI rep's we have here. Do you recite the Pledge of allegiance at the beginning of your meetings?
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: FinsnFur on February 24, 2010, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: slagmaker on February 24, 2010, 10:43:15 AM
Now I have a question for the SCI rep's we have here. Do you recite the Pledge of allegiance at the beginning of your meetings?

I do that here after typing any post, right before I click the submit button. :eyebrownod:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 24, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
I belive the SCI has actuall face to face meetings from time to time.


Nothign wrong with a group of people in a chat room talking busiiness but sometimes a face to face is called for.

You have a face to face and your are gona display a flag, you say the pledge, period.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on February 24, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
Safari Club International did not "just pop up". It's been around for a long time with deep pockets. All that is happening is it's getting another chapter. That's not luck at all.
Coyote hunting does need protected as does any hunting. It just doesn't need changed like everyone else was advocating. IMHO, we don't need to draw the attention of the state to us. That just causes more restrictions any time the government starts taking more part in something.
I say let coyote hunters police their own ranks, but by all means we have to protect our hunting rights.
I personally am against night hunting in my area and there are several reasons for it.
I personally against seasons for coyote hunting.
I am personally against bag limits.
I would like to see some of the caliber restrictions relaxed, but not enough to make much of a stink.
Now remember, I'm just talking about my area.

I know that eventually we will have to lease land to coyote hunt, there will be two month seasons unless you buy a $300 ADC tag, or they will allow night hunting and every poacher around will claim he is calling coyotes and not poaching deer, so then we will have to buy $50 tags to night hunt and the list goes on.
I will fight that as hard as I can though, for as long as I can. Period.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: CCP on February 24, 2010, 01:44:14 PM
Quotebut some, only a few months ago at times claimed that coyote hunting did not need protected.  now all of a sudden it does.


Ben I hear you loud and clear. I was against all this joining of hands and singing along. I liked most of the hunting laws in my own state. Seen no reason for anything to change.


So what changed?????

QuoteBut there has been three organizations now that have popped up to my knowledge that claim that they will stand up and have a voice for predator hunting.

Organizations popping up at every turn in the last few months. This is what has changed! They all seem to say the same thing and have self appointed leaders and no accountability. There main goal/agenda only seems to be geared toward contest. 

looking at these org's popping up made me have to take another look at my stance on coyote Organizations. If these org's are going to be speaking for predator hunters around the world they need to have input from around the world.So looking at them from that point of view I felt there should be some form of accountability.

SCI already has a long tract record of accountability and a record of what they have already accomplished. So if I need to support a group/org Ii will put my efforts toward a group with an  elected board and  strict term limits. accountability of money and functions in the day to day business. One that has the eyes of a larger proven group on them.



Slag I hear you on the money things are not good here also. Until things get better and if you decide to become a member your voice will still be heard. From the people that are already associated with this group they look at all things predator hunting including what non members are wanting. It is for the benefit of all predator hunters like SCI they represent hunting not just members hunting.

I guess another reason would be instead of me disagreeing with the direction of these other groups why not be apart of one that is already out there with a proven tract record and will have the means and channels setup to actually get something done when the time arises.If members of small local clubs that also have members that are IPCSCI members there problems could be helped  with on a national level.


Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: bigben on February 24, 2010, 01:57:23 PM
 :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 24, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Hay at least SCI can say they have a lobbyist in congress :readthis:.

NPHA can say,......... we got hats :shrug:.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: vvarmitr on February 25, 2010, 07:33:40 AM
Quote from: CCP on February 24, 2010, 01:44:14 PM
Quotebut some, only a few months ago at times claimed that coyote hunting did not need protected.  now all of a sudden it does.


Ben I hear you loud and clear. I was against all this joining of hands and singing along. I liked most of the hunting laws in my own state. Seen no reason for anything to change.


So what changed?????

QuoteBut there has been three organizations now that have popped up to my knowledge that claim that they will stand up and have a voice for predator hunting.

Organizations popping up at every turn in the last few months. This is what has changed! They all seem to say the same thing and have self appointed leaders and no accountability. There main goal/agenda only seems to be geared toward contest. 

looking at these org's popping up made me have to take another look at my stance on coyote Organizations. If these org's are going to be speaking for predator hunters around the world they need to have input from around the world.So looking at them from that point of view I felt there should be some form of accountability.

SCI already has a long tract record of accountability and a record of what they have already accomplished. So if I need to support a group/org Ii will put my efforts toward a group with an  elected board and  strict term limits. accountability of money and functions in the day to day business. One that has the eyes of a larger proven group on them.



Slag I hear you on the money things are not good here also. Until things get better and if you decide to become a member your voice will still be heard. From the people that are already associated with this group they look at all things predator hunting including what non members are wanting. It is for the benefit of all predator hunters like SCI they represent hunting not just members hunting.

I guess another reason would be instead of me disagreeing with the direction of these other groups why not be apart of one that is already out there with a proven tract record and will have the means and channels setup to actually get something done when the time arises.If members of small local clubs that also have members that are IPCSCI members there problems could be helped  with on a national level.
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Amen Rich! :wink:

I've wanted to join the SCI for some time, however, my passion/ministry if you will, is Varmint hunting.  I'm really not much into big game hunting. :noway:  Don't take it that I'm against big game hunting!  :doh2:   
Anyhoo, this gives me the avenue to one great org'  out there for hunters. :biggrin:
I'm excited I'm looking forward to joining.  :dance:


BTW Do they have a family membership?  :wo:
Me & brother Slag want to join.  :laf:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: alscalls on February 25, 2010, 08:05:04 AM
In my mind..... The fact of the matter is......NPHA  and groups like them are in it for the $$$ (personal Gain) and are run by folks that have shown I'll will, toward the predator hunters that are in it for the passion of just hunting.
And they will eventually show their true colors by hurting the predator hunting community.

I don't see that with SCI they seem to be trying to keep away from fighting amongst ourselves and band together to protect what we already have. And I for one am all for it. :highclap: :highclap: :highclap:
The reason for the move as I see it? .......... To try and protect all of us, from groups that will ultimately Destroy our right to hunt predators, by turning it into....... (The coyote belongs to the Govt. until you pay for it) Kind of thing.
As well as.....Having the funds and the numbers to fight the lobbyists.
All you need to do to see it happening is look at history...... and both sides of it. :wink:  M2C

I am with ya Slag, in that I can not afford it right now...... :wink:
But we always have a voice to be heard, letters to be written and I would hunt with ya anytime.... :eyebrownod:

Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: nor-cal yote on February 25, 2010, 09:47:12 AM
I agree with you Al, in CA wild pig tags used to be 9.00 dollars for five tags, then they jumped 19.00 for one.  :madd:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: HaMeR on February 25, 2010, 10:36:59 AM
That is how they plan to eliminate hunting. By over pricing everything to the point that people just quit doing it. Problem is they can't overprice poaching to ever stop it.  :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: pitw on February 25, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread  :innocentwhistle:.  The problem I have is in the use of the words "They" and "We", I never know who the others are :confused:.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: HaMeR on February 25, 2010, 11:44:47 AM
"We" are the ones you met at the LBL & the ones that are just like us that weren't there.  :yoyo:

"They" has a double meaning here.

#1-- "They" are the good folks from the IPCSCI. In this case "They" are the good guys. Hence the #1 ranking.  :wink:

#2-- "They" are the likes of redfrog & jrbhunter & there loyal to the "bone" followers. In this case "They" are the ones that are trying to set the sport they way only a few people want it & don't have any regard for "Us" or the Farmers we try to help by NOT having a season or limits.

Hope this helps clear the mud for ya Barry!!  :yoyo: :yoyo:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: pitw on February 25, 2010, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: HaMeR on February 25, 2010, 11:44:47 AM
"We" are the ones you met at the LBL & the ones that are just like us that weren't there.  :yoyo:

"They" has a double meaning here.

#1-- "They" are the good folks from the IPCSCI. In this case "They" are the good guys. Hence the #1 ranking.  :wink:

#2-- "They" are the likes of redfrog & jrbhunter & there loyal to the "bone" followers. In this case "They" are the ones that are trying to set the sport they way only a few people want it & don't have any regard for "Us" or the Farmers we try to help by NOT having a season or limits.

Hope this helps clear the mud for ya Barry!!  :yoyo: :yoyo:

Thanks HaMeR :bowingsmilie:. 
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: slagmaker on February 25, 2010, 12:31:45 PM
^^^^^Very good explanation HaMeR :yoyo:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Todd Rahm on March 03, 2010, 08:25:52 AM
Ok, heres me thinking out loud.


I'm not in. As an average Joe caller, I can put that money towards bullets or gas and don't have to worry if SCI is really for the greater of us all or just taking my money.   :wo:

Seems to me you guys are tapping the lower end blue color folks, and incase ya haven't noticed we don't blend in with the normal SCI groupies.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Bopeye on March 03, 2010, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: Todd Rahm on March 03, 2010, 08:25:52 AM
Ok, heres me thinking out loud.


I'm not in. As an average Joe caller, I can put that money towards bullets or gas and don't have to worry if SCI is really for the greater of us all or just taking my money.   :wo:

Seems to me you guys are tapping the lower end blue color folks, and incase ya haven't noticed we don't blend in with the normal SCI groupies.  :biggrin:

Can't get them all.  :nono:

Don't worry brother, I'll get your back.  :wink:
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: CCP on March 03, 2010, 07:22:24 PM
QuoteI'm not in. As an average Joe caller, I can put that money towards bullets or gas and don't have to worry if SCI is really for the greater of us all or just taking my money.

I belong to the NRA but alot of my friends and probably some here don't belong to the NRA for various reasons and use that money for other personal things. Sometimes it's a personal choice and everyone does not agree with all of NRA then sometimes it's a matter of priority with finances in today's economy.



QuoteSeems to me you guys are tapping the lower end blue color folks, and in case ya haven't noticed we don't blend in with the normal SCI groupies.

I don't hunt ducks and dont fit in to well at the Ducks unlimited functions here.With SCI it may be the other way around they may find they don't fit in with coyote hunters. Looking at some of the top coyote hunters around the country the words "unique" and "opinionated"  or "uniquely opinionated" comes to mind not to many rich white collar coyote hunters involved.



i aint I say I aint gonna be upset if someone else does not support NRA, Ducks unlimited, NTF or SCI with there membership or money. I personally have a hard time with my fiances as alot of people in the past few years and the last thing I would want is for someone to put those finances in a strain even for an organization.
Title: Re: IPCSCI coyote club
Post by: Todd Rahm on March 03, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
Thats all it is Rich just a choice. Just figured I would voice a my opinion just for the difference of this post. I do have to say ya have a perty good stirring committee though.  :wink: