I've been thinking ... oh just shaddup & listen.
Why go to the LBL to hunt w/ your regulator hunting partner when you have so many other devote coyote hunting friends there? I would love a chance to hunt w/ JD, Ronnie, Rich, Joel, James, er any one of you guys.
I'm thinking like have two hats, one w/ guys that have shot less than 10 coyotes (I'm just throwing out numbers), & the other w/ the more experienced guys. Draw a name from each hat to be the partners. At night have two drawings one for the morning hunt & the other for an afternoon hunt. Come in at noon, eat & switch partners. Something like that? :shrug: If you had hunted together before, draw again.
I know if I hadn't hunted w/ a guy that had gotten fur on the ground (205, remember him JD) my coyote stuff would have been on e-bay. I was over 10yrs before getting a coyote. :rolleye: Not that 205 & I got any coyotes; we didn't, but I found out my calling was good. 205 said so! :biggrin:
I'm not saying that this would be manditory by any means, but for those that participate I think it would make the time a much richer experience for those that learned & those that taught.
Well, what do you guys think??? :shrug:
That sounds like a good idea to me. I can't talk for JB but I like the idea. I certainly would like to see how other people handle their setups and calling. I think it cam make you a better hunter, plus give the newer guys a chance to maybe see some things they are doing wrong or how things can be done a little differently.
Count me in.
I to think this is a good idea, this is what this hunt is all about anyway. But it would have to be strictly voluntary basis by the participants of the drawing. There are some who simply prefer to dance with the one they brung to the party :innocentwhistle: Jimmie
I totally agree Jimmie (maybe we oughta mark that down :laf:)
For example: Brent & JD way want to hunt together for video purposes. Great I have no problem w/ that. :wink:
Voluntary: that's a good word for it.
Sounds like a good idea, but then there are us guys that don't have a partner to swap and don't know anything about hunting. What do we do?
It would be good to take those that are familair with the area and put them with others who have experience. In fact Ky Fishrman voiced this idea to me a while back. Or just those more experience with those with less.
I also need to check and find out why one of the roads has been closed. It is in a good area but those animals may be off limits for some reason now. Jimmie
This is a good idea for those that want to do it. Just be careful. :wink:
The first year we had the LBL hunt, poor old Chet got it stuck to him good.
I had only be hunting coyotes for a few years, just a year or so of it with Chet.........which for all practical purposes I was still green as grass.
Then a guy that went by the handle of "Doc" joined us and he had never hunted coyotes at all. He was a good guy, so we didn't mind him coming along.
Then we had this yardbird that went by the handle of "Red Baron". Now this guy was a character. He had never been coyote hunting either and was real excited about learning.
He knew everything there was to know about everything..........except coyote hunting. :shrug:
Anyway, talk about your challenge for Chet. He was hunting unfamiliar territory........a few scouting trips and some maps didn't hardly make the LBL "home turf".
He had three cherries with him, two of which had never hunted coyotes. He had to try and find places to set-up for four people.........try that sometime when your feeling froggy. :biggrin:
I had to laugh one time..........I was on the far left fringe of a field and turned to my right and could see the other two new guys plain as day. They were moving, picking their noses, scratching themselves, rifles shining in the sun...........looked like we were fixing to charge across the field at Gettysburg....... :eyebrownod:
Ole' Chet had finally got everyone set up, and he had started his series of calling. He had no worries of being over run, we had a good perimeter...... :innocentwhistle:
It was quite a site to behold.......
We had made a few sets that morning and then went into Dover to get something to eat.
Chet stopped to get gas and the rest of us stayed in the truck. Chet had no more than got out of the vehicle when Red Baron started telling me how we needed to do this differently and that differently........he proceeded to pretty much say that everything we were doing was wrong and that I should inform Chet of this.
NOW boys......I play the fool on here some, but don't ever take me for one. :wink:
I knew that my big buddy Chet was already somewhat aggravated at the "circumstances" and I wasn't about to tell him that the way he had hunted coyotes for 30 years was wrong according to Red Baron's school of thought.
Chet's as fine a fella that walks the earth, but everyone has their limits. Don't ask someone to show you the ropes and then tell them they are wrong........Baron was a moron. :innocentwhistle:
Anyway, I said all of that to say this. I believe I'm gonna hunt this year with my old buddy. We don't get as much hunt time together as we use to and he's my mentor.
To those of you that are blessed enough to have an experienced coyote hunter take you under his wing at LBL. Please keep your mouths closed and your ears open........I've chatted with a few of you and doubt any will be as dumb as the Baron was, but just thought I would add that.
There's an old saying, "When the student is truly ready to learn, then will the teacher show up".
I do plan on getting with Stan the Man, Ill. Coyote and a few others while I'm up there to talk with them and listen to their calls, how they set-up, etc.
Lot's can be learned at camp........ :biggrin:
I have been thinking about that problem too Bopeye. Not a lot of people have done three man setups . And three man is about all a good caller can handle well. And when your doing a four man setup someone is going to believe he is being left out when in fact, the caller is trying to cover all the bases, or aproach lanes in this case.
What th newbie would be seeing is that callers style of working. It may be diferent from what they thought it should be or what they have done succesfully in the past. This hunt is all about learning the sport. I even learn from some who come and still am. I ran my estress chirp by Stan and Brian last year since they were the first in the country I knew of using it. They were using it before Randy Anderson made it popular, they had heard it in the field them selves.
More is learned around that campfire than you can begin to imagine. Your going to hear callers talk about the successes and failures of that day. They will be asking themselves why they got busted and examining what went wrong or what went right. They too are learning from what they did that day, always asking questions. If you don't believe that listen while one of them tells his story and answers questions about it. Jimmie
I don't have a problem with this at all. We are always happy to have a guest come along and hunt with us. Kytimberman, came along last year for a day, Steve M the year before, I enjoyed those guys hunting with us! I will be more than glad to set back and call with the camera man or trade out calling duty's with who ever hunts with us. We do this allot, we have had as many as 5 on a stand at one time. Just takes a little work but no big deal, thats what makes this sport what it is!
Brent
I agree it takes a little work Kee, but when the calling area is new to you as well. Let's just say that I believe your chances for success diminish greatly with each person you have, especially if one of them is real fidgety and already "knows it all". I can honestly say I kept one eye on Baron the whole time we hunted. To say that he was reckless with the way he handled his rifle would be an understatement.
I totally under stand! I been there myself.
And I agree the more people on a stand the lower you odds go, no doubt about that. I wasn't disagreeing with what you said, hope you didn't take it that way. I guess the point I was trying to get across was that I don't have a problem with anyone comming along with us for a hunt just because we film. I enjoy hunting with other guys, and enjoy seeing the way they do things as well. We had a blast out in AZ hunting with someone diffrent every day, we hunted with as many people as we could while we were there in Oct at the camp out.
Brent
Oops.......Yep, I totally misunderstood what you were saying Brent. My humblest apologies.
That is the one drawback to these dadgum machines sometimes. We can read the words, but can't always see the intent of their author nor who some comments are directed towards.
Once again, sorry for misunderstanding you.
The "Red Baron" how can I forget he does know everything just ask him if you don't believe me. First coyote hunting trip he made was with me in Nashville TN. 1st set he told me I was setting up wrong. He had watched some videos and read some post on the board and had it all figured out :roflmao:. I cant count how many people through the years that have went hunting with me and after a month or two started telling me how to hunt coyotes.
Back to the subject. I know it is frustrating having more than 2 people on a stand tried it don't like it. I would love for me and ccp2 to get a coyote on film at LBL. We will probably hunt mostly by ourselves but we will be more than happy to take someone on a few sets that Saturday.
Bopeye...when you said Chet got out to get gas I thought you were gonna say he took off running and never come back :roflmao:
I like the idea....just need to be sure to reiterate that it's not a mandetory thing.
Some might not want anybody with them, some will be looking for someone.
The 10 coyotes or less things is kinda funky though...
I've shot more then 10 coyotes, but I can tell ya right now...haul me to Kentucky, push me in the woods with a rfile and I'm back to newbie status.
Quote from: FinsnFur on December 27, 2006, 06:23:14 PM
but I can tell ya right now...haul me to Kentucky, push me in the woods with a rfile and I'm back to newbie status.
Don't worry Jimbo.......it's just like the movie Deliverance....... :nono:
We'll put some sleigh bells on you.........it will make you easier to locate.
You do know how to squeel like a pig......eh?
:innocentwhistle: :wink:
Only when someone sticks their finger in my chocolate gravy and biscuits :huh:
Quote from: FinsnFur on December 27, 2006, 08:12:50 PM
Only when someone sticks their finger in my chocolate gravy and biscuits :huh:
Okay.......ya got me.... :laf:
That ten coyotes thing is why I think it might be better to pair a newbie, familiar with the area, with a more exprienced hunter from elsewhere and vice versa.
I talked with the Timberman about this today. I believe he was having too damned much fun to really consider the idea though.
GC will be the only one from out of state that will be familair with this type of hunting since the terrain is so similar to where he hunts. Yet he too will be slightly out of his own element. Just as Chet is, it is similar to where Chet hunts yet diferent in a few ways.
I have a few young men here in Ky that are more than willing to learn all they can and are familair with the Lbl.They don't mind taking orders but are still very green to the sport. I have to say it's a bit hard not to move when a dog is running right at your face though :eyebrownod: Jimmie
Aye! I definitely have a lot to learn....those two pups came down that hill like a dang avalanche!!! and didn't hit the brakes until they were 10 yards away....I got that adrenaline kick and I'm sure that pup could see my entire body convulsing!!......of course by the look in his eyes, he was shaking too :roflmao:
This is a very good thread and I hope more folks who are planning on going to the LBL hunt will weigh in and speak their mind about what they would like to do and not do. Be frank and speak your mind.
I expect there are a few experienced callers that, given the choice, would like to hunt with other experienced guys, etc.
Then there are guys like me. I'm not familiar with the LBL and my next called in and shot yote will be my first. I think it would be great to go just to put faces with screen names, but I also wonder if it makes sense for me to drive 800+ miles to do that [possibly] around the camp fire and spend my hunting time in unfamiliar terrain, hunting solo, and probably purpetuating ill concieved setups and calling tactics.
Please understand, I don't expect or want anyone to feel like they need to baby sit me. I'm just weighing my personal alternatives and wondering out loud if maybe I should defer an LBL trip and focus on getting more proficient through continuing my local efforts and leveraging a few personal invites I have.
This is not sour grapes guys. I feel like part of this community, but I also feel I'm lacking much in the skills and experience vs many [most] of you. I want to keep learning, but not at the cost of being a burden. I'm just not sure it makes sense for me at this point even though there would be some memorable moments for sure.
There...I said it. I hope others also post their views and comment.
Studabaka,
I don't believe you will burden anyone and I don't believe finding a suitable hunting partner or three will be hard at all. Trust me on this. None of us are gonna allow someone to go out there by themselves without any knowledge of the terrain and without much hunting experience. That would be asking for disaster and the last thing I want on my conscience is someone getting hurt or lost when it was within my power to prevent it.
I promise you when you come, you will go out with someone or two.
I put my story up there to make it clear that Chet and I are not coming up there to be strapped with two cherries, one of which was a total moron. If "Doc" would have been the only one with us, we would have been fine. That fourth yardbird just didn't want to learn.
He told us he had never shot a coyote and before lunch on the first day was already telling us how to do it. Not good at all.
A guy comes up with the right attitude, understands that the man who is with me has almost as many years experience of hunting coyotes as I have been alive.....he'll be fine.
I surely apologize if my post is the one that brought you to your conclusion to not come.
I guess I sounded too harsh........it wasn't my intention to run the good one's out.
It WAS my intention to make it clear that Chet and I will not keep a know it all with us this year.
Hope you change your mind.
The LBL hunt draws some of the best callers in the east. I learn a lot from talking to these guys, listening to them work a call, or talking about how to setup in a certain situation. The list goes on and on as to what you can learn from these guys. It is definitely worth the time and money to make this hunt. These guys give out their information freely all anyone has to do is ask the questions. Plus you get to take some of the tips and try them out in a place that is loaded with coyotes.
This will be my 3rd year of attending the LBL hunt. I look forward to this hunt more than any hunt I go on. I can't wait, 36 more days and here I come!!!!!!!
Git on down there Stu.
I've never been down there myself. I really do not consider myself a pro either.
Been calling coyotes for 8 years or so and have less then a couple dozen kills under my belt. NOT including my trip to Texas....that dont count, we called in 29 I think in one night.
,....but I wasn't doing the calling :sneer:
If you show I can personally guarantee you'll have a hunting partner for one of those days... :biggrin:
No no Bop. I wasn't reacting to your post specifically nor have I decided not to come. I just think this thread is a very good discussion to have upfront. It will help us all figure out some of the who, what, how, prior to showing up.
I'm pretty sure I could find my way into the woods and out again. I'll be the big 50 in a few months and have spent a fair amount of that in the woods of Maine, NY, and NC. I'm a fair trapper, and am rarely lacking a venison steak, duck, bunny, etc to pull out of the freezer. What I'm lacking in is calling, but I only got turned on to it this past spring, so it will come. There weren't any/many yotes around when I was growing up and the last few years I got sucked into the corporate world and lost track of what I'm really about. My dad was estatic when I told him I quit and was back in the woods.....he bit his tongue for so many years, while knowing what/where I really needed to be.
I was just thinking out loud from my perspective/situation.
Thanks for your response. It is spot on to what I have come to expect from this group. I just wasn't clear about my ponderings.
Good post Stu, i weighed in that today.
Jeb
Stu.
When you say that you just got into calling this past spring, makes me think you'd be crazy to not come. You will most definately not be a hinder to anyone. You can shorten that learning curve up so much in just a couple days and get to meet some great guy's.
As for teamin up with different folks, sounds good to me.
JD
JD is right, a couple days with some other callers and you can pick up allot.
For some reason I think that some think that because we are filming means we hunt alone all the time. Not the case with us. We really enjoy hunting with other callers, new or years of experience. We have had the chance to hunt with some great people over the years! And we have enjoyed every minute of it. Calling in and killing coyotes is great, but one thing to remember is what you get along the way is far greater than any dead coyote. And if it ever gets to the point were its not fun for me anymore, I will hang up the calls!
Brent
Shoot..........that's a good offer right there.
I'd like to get on camera sometime.........but I doubt very seriously there is a wide enough lens out there......... :eyebrownod:
Ever see Chris Farley in Tommy Boy..........ya know, when he's singing "Fat guy in a little coat" and then tears his buddies coat? Well.........let's just say I make sure my camo has ample room. :eyebrownod:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I give...I give...... I'll book my reservations in the morning.
There ya go!!! Hope to see ya there stu !
Hell Bop, we'll put ya on camera and since were such nice fellas, we won't even charge ya the general rate :huh: :biggrin:
JD
Glad to hear it Stu..........I sure was feeling bad for my earlier post. I was for sure that I had caused your decision and it sure had me feeling mighty bad.
Well aren't you a sweetheart tonight JD........... :laf:
I wouldn't intentionally say a thing on here to keep any of you from coming to the LBL hunt. I do believe everyone that goes will enjoy themselves immensely.
I may or may not get a coyote while I'm there, but that ain't why I'm going...........I just want to put some names with faces again, listening to a few good lies, here about some good hunts, listen to some calling, it's even amazing all the different camo, guns, calls, etc. that you will see there.
When your there, even if just a little while, all seems good in the world. :wink:
I was beginning to wonder if he missed my post cause we posted at the same time or I done scared him off. :holdon: :laf:
I saw ya Jim.... and thanks!!..... or maybe thats 'I ain't bright enough to know I should be scared off'? :shck:
Stu..............you know where Spruce Pine, NC is?
I didn't, but it looks to be a couple hours north west of me. Been around that area, but don't think ever there.
Sure glad to hear help might be availlable!
I've learned a bunch from Jimmie in the couple of trips I've made with him. But have a VERY long way to go. :biggrin:
Semp
I was just curious Stu. I have a buddy there that I try to visit at least once a year if not more. I just thought if you were fairly close that I'd stop by and meet ya.
We have a rabbit hunt and possibly a little trout fishing to do. :eyebrow:
Semp........if it helps you any.........I have a long ways to go as well.
Believe it or not, these boards are loaded with some very accomplished coyote hunters, but even they learn something new all the time.
Beware of anyone that thinks they have this game mastered...........they might, but what happens when the coyotes change the game again?
Always learning...... :wink:
Anytime you run into somebody that say's he knows it all , you'd best just walk on by. I have been at this more years than I care to count anymore and I stilll see something diferent everytime out. I hope I keep having the good sense to question and think about what I see for a long time to come. I am still thinking about the success from the other day and why it may have been so good. It could have been just plain luck or the slight diference in the pitch of the calls used, from what is normally heard. I think maybe a good deal of both.
Even for the rank beginer, the campfire sessions alone are worth their weight in gold. I am not talking about the weapons and camo either. The skills of some of these guys with the calls are amazing. And they will work with you right there on the spot to help you get the rythem down for whatever sound you wish to try. There is more available to th new caller in one night than he can get in years of trial and error on his own.
I won't lie to you and tell you that you can kill one of these animals while you are there. Count your self very lucky if you manage to call one much less kill it. These animals have seen just about everything that has been done or come to light in the last few years of predator hunting. I was talking with Reggie this morning about some of the problems we have both encountered the last couple of years up there and what we could do about it. Like the old dog in the story, I know how he should have reacted and I know what he did . That is something to think about right there. These animals test the skills of any caller that tackles them. Jimmie
Hey guys,
I am feeling a bit like Stu. I myself am new to Coyote calling. In fact, I am new to the area. I moved to the Middle Tennesse area in July and am trying to find some good area to hunt. I have heard about LBL, and heard about the hunt from another site. I also do not want to be a burden, but really want the chance to get some hands on learning experience, and being in camp. I would like to go, so I guess I will look into it.
Thanks
Joe
Hey, NewDog...
Welcome to FnF! :biggrin:
I see from your profile you're in Murfreesboro. I attended a coyote hunt at Chapel Hill a few years ago ... good area... good coyote population too. Come on over and meet the LBL gang, I don't think you'll be dissapointed.
Quote from: Jimmie in Ky on December 29, 2006, 01:06:29 PM
Anytime you run into somebody that say's he knows it all , you'd best just walk on by. I have been at this more years than I care to count anymore and I stilll see something diferent everytime out. I hope I keep having the good sense to question and think about what I see for a long time to come. I am still thinking about the success from the other day and why it may have been so good. It could have been just plain luck or the slight diference in the pitch of the calls used, from what is normally heard. I think maybe a good deal of both.
Even for the rank beginer, the campfire sessions alone are worth their weight in gold. I am not talking about the weapons and camo either. The skills of some of these guys with the calls are amazing. And they will work with you right there on the spot to help you get the rythem down for whatever sound you wish to try. There is more available to th new caller in one night than he can get in years of trial and error on his own.
I won't lie to you and tell you that you can kill one of these animals while you are there. Count your self very lucky if you manage to call one much less kill it. These animals have seen just about everything that has been done or come to light in the last few years of predator hunting. I was talking with Reggie this morning about some of the problems we have both encountered the last couple of years up there and what we could do about it. Like the old dog in the story, I know how he should have reacted and I know what he did . That is something to think about right there. These animals test the skills of any caller that tackles them. Jimmie
Amen to all that. Also if you get a chance, get Jimmie to demonstrate several of his calls for you and show you his Top Secret LBL map.......it will help you a bunch to determine how most of the coyotes are acting in the LBL.
The first year we hunted the LBL, Chet and I went up and met with Jimmie. He told us more in just a few short hours than we could have learned about the LBL with weeks of scouting.
Make sure you get with him or Mallard or even these other guys that hunt the LBL frequently............Knowing what the coyotes are doing there is a
HUGE help.
Take care and we'll see ya there. :biggrin:
Quote from: coyotehunter_1 on December 30, 2006, 04:43:50 PM
Hey, NewDog...
Welcome to FnF! :biggrin:
I see from your profile you're in Murfreesboro. I attended a coyote hunt at Chapel Hill a few years ago ... good area... good coyote population too. Come on over and meet the LBL gang, I don't think you'll be dissapointed.
Yeah, I just moved here in July. I know very litlle about the area, and don't really have a place to hunt. I have a guy that has let me tag along with him deer hunting a few times. I am just having a hard time getting into it. I really want to be coyote hunting. Again, I don't have anywhere to go, and do not know how (thus the name NewDog). I am looking forward to getting to LBL to check it out. I heard it has really good hunting. Any rate I am looking forward to soaking all the info in like a sponge, and I assure you all that I will be grateful for any help you all can show me.
Thanks for putting up with me :eyebrow:
Joe
Trust me Joe........if they put up with me, then you shouldn't have any problems.... :biggrin:
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I was hoping to get some experience before the hunt so I was not totally green, but I just can not seem to get anyone to co operate....Argh..... :madd: (by the way, this is not a good depiction of me, I have no hair :roflmao: )
Joe
Joe
There will be a few of us greenies there. Don't worry about it.
Semp
And I haven't quite made up my mind yet as to when I am going back. I had hoped to go thursday but rain is in the forecast. Not sure if I can do saturday yet . Boss has declared war on honey must do jobs , I am having a hell of a time getting motivated to get them done. Coyotes, screwdrivers, coyotes, jigsaw, Geesh! I am so torn between them all :confused:
:eyebrow:Jimmie
Just do like I do Jimmie:
1. I go get my "big boy" britches on.
2. I go look in the mirror and practice my tough guy look.
3. I start stomping around the house like an ape in mating season.
4. I go out and kick my dogs just to let everyone know I am the "Alpha DAWG".
5. Now that I have my courage up.............I march in the house, slam the door (quietly),
yell for my wife to come in the kitchen (I say please, of course), then I look her square
in the eye and say, "Where would you like me to get started at, honey"?
Works for me........ :roflmao: ................Oh the rest of ya shut up........your hen pecked too.....there are varying degrees of this disease.
Besides, there ain't nothing wrong with being hen pecked if you like the hen that is doing the pecking........... :eyebrownod: :innocentwhistle:
I looked her right square in the eyes and said "Yes Ma'm" Vanity is all in and no leaks. Took me a week to build the danged thing and more than a week waiting on each coat of the finishes to dry. Whew! But at least now I can do what I want. But school starts back on monday :rolleye: Dang , I wish I was a grown up :iroll: Jimmie