In the past I have had problems of assuring that the Barrel of the rifle was level when mounting a Scope and to prevent Canting the scope, I recently came across a small Magnet 1/8 x 1/2 x 3 inches that is strong enough to hold a small level, the Magnet can be placed across the Action in the Rifle or Scope mount that really has help me when mounting scopes. These Magnets are relatively inexpensive but the get you on the shipping but still worth what it cost I think. I have attached some pictures of how I use the Magnet and a link were they can be purchased, or just search Magnets on the net, several places carry them. I paid $5 bucks for the magnet and $7.50 for shipping but found the site listed below that has them for $2.19, probably could order several to save on shipping. I am also looking for a site that has a Cube level that is about 1/2 inch long that could be glued to the Magnet, found where they are made in China but min order is 5000, don't need that many. cc
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Carl, I use 2 string levels that you can buy at Wally World for about a $1.99 apiece in the hardware section. They're about 3" long. I lay one across a level section of the gun and get it level in the gun rest. Then lay the other one on top of the up-down adjustment cover on top of the scope. They work great. Here's a picture. The ones I found had yellow plastic ends but are the same thing. You could maybe mount one on a magnet somehow. :wo:
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Pretty cool CC never seen it done quiet like that. Thanks for sharing. :highclap:
CC once you get the scope lined I made some Targets you can print out to take to the range to get it tuned in. :laf:
I made them 8"x11" so they will print on regular copy paper. Send any donations to the Bop target fund.
^^^^^ :alscalls: :alscalls: :alscalls:
Oh boy I'm never letting you look at my scope mounting practice :doh2:. I guess I never worried about level cause then people might get the mistake I'm level headed :shrug:. Thanks for sharing the ideas though :bowingsmilie:.
Quote from: CCP on December 12, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
CC once you get the scope lined I made some Targets you can print out to take to the range to get it tuned in. :laf:
I made them 8"x11" so they will print on regular copy paper. Send any donations to the Bop target fund.
These targets are best used with remington yellow jacket rounds
Here is what I would like, tried to post picture but can't figure out how to do right now.
http://www.huide-level.com/en/productsmore.asp?pic=265
CCP , I will for sure print out some of the Targets. Poor OLD BOP. :laf: :laf: :laf:
Here you go CC
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I just printed one of those Targets, Cool cool Cool. :thumb2: :yahoo:
Thanks Richard, Anyone know where to buy vials like that? cc
Sorry Carl, I didn't look at your pictures close enough. You already had the small levels. :doh2:
Ed
Yes ED I do have some small levels but would like to find some like in the Picture that Richard posted for me. Could just glue one of those onto the magnet and WALA. :eyebrownod: cc
All the OBAMA pics out there and you use mine!!!! :eyebrownod: I'm getting more popular with each day. :laf:
I like what Slag said about using the Remington Yellow Jacket Rounds. :biggrin: cc
Leveling the gun and scope is the right way to do it for sure.
I just eyeball it. :shrug:
Carl You can buy those vials at a lot of places...here's a list with links. http://www.empirelevel.com/locator.asp
Quote from: Semp on December 12, 2010, 02:58:02 PM
Leveling the gun and scope is the right way to do it for sure.
I just eyeball it. :shrug:
Unbelievable :shock2: :shock2: We agree on something :laf: :laf:.
Well now, we'll have to make sure that doesn't happen again, won't we? :eyebrownod:
I think a lot of people just eyeball it, but I like to squeeze every bit of accuracy out of the rifle I can, I need all the help I can get. Seriously even just a small Cant affects the accuracy, you really cannot zero a rifle with a Canted Scope, when you move one reticule it affect the other reticule, I have seen several rifles with Canted scopes and the owners say well I just Cant the rifle, That don' t work, if you truly want a accurate Rifle a proper Scope mount is essential , which includes more than just getting it straight and level.
Thanks Jimbo I will check that link. cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on December 12, 2010, 03:59:36 PM
if you truly want a accurate Rifle a proper Scope mount is essential , which includes more than just getting it straight and level.
But then what excuse's are left :shrug:.
:laf: :laf: :laf: I have a friend that is a good shot but every time he misses its always the Scope, so I guess for some that's enough reason. :nono: cc
Jim, I checked that link and could not find the little Levels like the picture CCP posted, I can find where they are made but they have min orders of 5000 , just would like to find were I could buy a couple, Camera stores have some that has a shoe on them so you can attach to you camera but I just want a plain one or two.
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on December 12, 2010, 04:22:39 PM
Jim, I checked that link and could not find the little Levels like the picture CCP posted, I can find where they are made but they have min orders of 5000 , just would like to find were I could buy a couple, Camera stores have some that has a shoe on them so you can attach to you camera but I just want a plain one or two.
Yeah it seems as though a lot of those companies are calling the complete level itself, a vial. :confused:
I did a little searching this morning and did find several companies in China that made these little vials :doh2:
I did it by searching Google Images, with the words 'level vial" then when the results comes up, go to the page that the image originates from.
I have been doing that search for several weeks looking for a retailer in America that sells them, I sent an Email to one of the company's in China to see if they would give me the name of a retailer, have not heard back from them, not all that important to find them as I can do what I need to do with what I got, just thought it would be a nice little gadget to have around. cc
Scope leveling is something that I wonder about. :wo:
Actually, I think that the scope needs to be plumb.
Being that the vertical cross hair needs to bisect the bore of the rifle to be devoid of cant.
I can see where leveling can help, but there are to many variables to get near perfect.
I've tried different things, but haven't figured a good way to do it yet. :sad:
So I just eyeball it. :alscalls: :alscalls: :alscalls:
James, If the Scope is level it is also plumb, whether or not the scope is centered with the Bore of the barrel is irreverent but the scope must be Level and Plumb with the axis of the barrel other wise when you make adjustments either Windage or Elevations it affect both reticles, when Level and Plumb adjust the Windage and it only affect left or right, adjust Elevation it only affect up or down. :readthis: cc
Hey Carl! :highclap:
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You da man Jimbo, pretty neat little trinkets and for sure just what I have been looking for. :bowingsmilie: :bowingsmilie: Thankyou very much cc
Came across this on another forum .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COoXVpGfXQE&feature=player_embedded
Pretty simple & straight forward. :wink:
:confused: So if the gun and scope are perfectly level/plumb.... but when you put the gun on your shoulder how do you know you're holding it level/plumb.... you just doing it by "eye"? :alscalls: .... Sorry but IMO it's all a wash unless you shoot with the level mounted on your gun. :wink:
I am not impressed with this guys technique, he did not say anything about lapping the rings, torque on the bolts or how he verified the rifle was parallel with the scope. I am not and expert on mounting scopes but there is a lot more to mounting one correctly than in this video, but to what it come down to I guess is to each his own. Depends on just how accurate you want you rifle to be. cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on March 14, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
I am not impressed with this guys technique
I agree, but thought that it was more of a "for the average person" type of video. It might be interesting to know how many on here (besides you and me) lap their rings.
Jerry
Quote from: Yotehntr on March 14, 2011, 11:45:55 AM
Sorry but IMO it's all a wash unless you shoot with the level mounted on your gun. :wink:
Absolutely. ;yes;
Lowe's handles a nice magnetic level that works well for that purpose. Sells for about $5.00
I agree, but thought that it was more of a "for the average person" type of video. It might be interesting to know how many on here (besides you and me) lap their rings.
I think you are Right Jerry, seems most people don't believe that it makes a difference, I started this tread with a couple of gadgets that worked well for me not to start a pissing contest. cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on March 15, 2011, 12:50:30 PM
I started this tread with a couple of gadgets that worked well for me not to start a pissing contest. cc
Dang :biggrin:.
CC,
Fine tuning is not for everybody. Personally I will take advantage of any legal and fair advantage that will help me shoot better. I have an earlier version of this that I use. http://www.brownells.com/1/1/19390-exd-engineering-vertical-reticle-instrument-vertical-reticle-instrument-exd-engineering.html I like it and think that it helps me when I install a scope, but that is just me. I have been told many times that I spend too much time tweaking and making micro adjustments when it comes to shooting. I have several items from here http://www.neconos.com/ that are also worthless to many people. Not me, but many people. As for having a level on my rifle scopes, I have to admit that about a half dozen that are installed because I can cant a rifle quicker than many people can say "what". The exception is the bench gun with the flat bottom and on that one I just level the front rest. :biggrin:
Jerry
I agree fine tuning may not be for everyone, I like you want every advantage I can get out of the rifle and I was not trying to say that anyone was doing anything wrong, to each his own. I enjoy tinkering with my guns to squeeze out as much accuracy as I can get out of them, from my experience it has paid good dividends for me. :eyebrownod: cc
Sorry Carl! I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest. :holdon:
There was other info in there I thought would help some w/ setting up their scopes.
Since this is a good thread, IMO, about scope mounting I thought I'd set it in here.
Everything is Cool VV, there are some of us that goes to a little more extreme in fine tuning our rifles, for me it has been a learning experience, for many years I depended on what I learned as young boy of how to shoot but a few years ago I decided that there was a lot to learn about accurate shooting so I got into reloading which required a lot of reading and experimenting and was amazed at all the things that could be done to a factory Rifle and Brass to improve accuracy. Some of those things may seem useless to some but believe me every little bit helps, I really enjoy shooting and the last few years I have made some shots that 10 years ago would have been impossible for me. cc