Couldn't wait any longer. Had to post the annual LBL hunt on the calendar. February 1, 2, and 3, 2008! :biggrin:
Semp
OHHHHHH YEEEEEEAAAAAAAA.................. :eyebrow:
:roflmao:
YEEEEEEE Haaaaaaa
I got barb que .... :confused: wait.... :huh:
From what I hear.........it is Bar-B sloppy Joe's. :roflmao:
I put the date on the calendar and hope that I can make it this year.
Jerry
I've been pondering the next outing myself............ah what the heck, Lord willing, I'll be there. :biggrin:
Quoteah what the heck, Lord willing, I'll be there.
Ditto that... :highclap:
Bop, maybe we won't get lost in Clarksville this time... :wink:
We should back it up to the second weekend for next year, February 8,9, and 10. That way all of us guys that come in early won't have to shoot rimfires and birdshot. There were several wounded coyotes that were never found this year, I hate to see that happen.
I am making plans on being there I will bring the ketchup!!!
Bill
Quote from: bnccont on April 08, 2007, 07:02:19 AM
I am making plans on being there I will bring the ketchup!!!
Bill
:roflmao: :roflmao:
I'm gonna go dip all my calls in ketchup...........if everyone is doing it. :nono:
Look what you started Bill with one little picture....... :laf:
Ill be there! :biggrin:
Ill be there this year.
Is that everyone? :wo:
Brent aint goin :shrug:
Unless we send some dogs out to find him........where the heck is he anyway? :sad:
I would love ta go but man thats a drive from here :biggrin:
That's a loooong step from up here too, but I'm not ruling it out.
Brad
Ya know I am in. :yoyo:
Dang it, I better be able to make it this year. :madd:
Can I come too ? I am a lousy shot and cant cook very well , but I would sure like to join you fellers in this now famous outing. Oh can I bring my friend ? :eyebrow: And by the way does anyone know how to train a coyote dog ? :shrug:
If you can't shoot or cook, you'll fit in fine. We'll put ya in Jimmies cabin though. :biggrin:
Jimmie will set you straight. :biggrin:
I live 2 hours from LBL.
Quote from: statelinerut on April 19, 2007, 06:59:06 PM
I live 2 hours from LBL.
Does that mean your coming? :biggrin:
Quote from: securpro on April 19, 2007, 04:04:24 PMOh can I bring my friend ?
No need to bring one there are plenty already supplied. :wink:
I have a coyote decoy dog. Pretty well trained. I just don't know what will happen when we meet a coyote. :innocentwhistle:
Quote from: securpro on April 19, 2007, 04:04:24 PM
And by the way does anyone know how to train a coyote dog ? :shrug:
Heck no, but I'm giving it my best shot..... :wink:
Can't wait !!! see you all at the LBL n '08 :yoyo:
I'm in as long as someone will send directions. Might have to let lil-man lay out of school a few days so he can go to. :biggrin:
Set him straight? :confused: Didn't know there was anyone here that was crooked :biggrin:
Of course we would have to question anyone that calls sloppy joes BBQ. Mebbe we can get lucky and talk my dad into burning a shoulder or two.
AWH, alll you have to do is find I24 on a road map. You can get off of it at Cadiz or Grand Rivers exits to enter the LBL.Jimmie
Hey I had fun there this year and if I can get my partner to do the driving I'll be headed that way again in 2008. cc
what happens If I know how to cook but not shoot? unless it is within shotgun range and standin still. even then I aint garunteeing anything. I am plannin on coming. hopefully draggin somone else from pa area down there.
You dont have to know how to cook Ben.
Heck I had half of them eating BarBQ, and thinking it was sloppy joe, at the same time. :biggrin:
Hey Jim,
Been meaning to ask. How did Barb Q taste?
Jerry
Note to self. That was not nice. Never spit in the wind, argue with the owner of a newspaper who buys ink in 55 gallon drums, or make fun of the person that can get you banned from a website.
:roflmao:
Let me say she was a lot better the first night then she was warmed up the next day.
I think I missed the BBQ, I mean sloppy Joe's, I mean BBQ................. :biggrin:
yeah if Kyle was settin by the pan, you woulda never seen it Joe.
Quote from: FinsnFur on April 24, 2007, 07:50:21 PM
You dont have to know how to cook Ben.
Heck I had half of them eating BarBQ, and thinking it was sloppy joe, at the same time. :biggrin:
maybe it is just me but imho BBQ is when you slow cook the meat. sloppy joe is that stuff you get out of the can.
Jim's recipe for BBQ, ground meat ( enough to fill pot) chopped onions and bell peppers ( about a cup of each) 1 can of tomatoe something or other for flavor and a touch or two of red and black pepper to give it a bit of a kick. Pretty good eatin' really for all the agravation we give him over it :eyebrownod:
Dad's recipe for BBQ sauce, 1 gallon of tomatoe paste, 2 cups of sorghum or 1 pound of brown sugar ( depending on if he has sorghum at the time) Black pepper, white pepper, garlic powder and onion powder, salt to taste. You can add cayanne to the mix , or throw in habanero peppers,for heat depending on how much you can stand. Bring all this to a boil and then cool slowly.
I sometimes use honey in place of the sorghum and have a tendancy to throw in a touch of mustard for mine.
BBQ Meat, anything already dead with the hide or feathers pulled off, slow cooked over white oak and hickory coals until you can jerk the bones free with a flick of the wrist. Baste on a fairly regualr basis with the above BBQ sauce until done.
Yah'll hongry yet :sneer: Jimmie
if your gonna start sharing bbq recipes. here is mine
ketchup
whorchester sauce
liquid smoke
grape jelly
horse radish sauce
garlic powder or fresh cloves
sweet onions chopped fine
a little pepper
and maybe a smack or so of jack.
that all goes into a crock pot with a hunk of meat preferably deer. slow cook for 12 hrs
Dang.........I'm starving now. :biggrin:
Whatever happened to just browning some burger and throwing in some Manwich sauce? :shrug:
Quote from: Bopeye on April 25, 2007, 07:02:16 PM
Dang.........I'm starving now. :biggrin:
Whatever happened to just browning some burger and throwing in some Manwich sauce? :shrug:
that is sloppy joe ^^^
I'm w/ you Bop....when do we eat :biggrin:
maybe we ought to have a BBQ cook off this coming year? I think we got the taste testers here allready.
Heck ya. I'll bring the Hall family pulled pork BBQ beer cooler. And a plate. :roflmao:
What kind we talking about Ben? pork, deer, beef, turkey, all the above....I do enjoy a good cook off. I'll even make a batch of the smack ya momma in the mouth sauce. Just dont say smack ya momma in the mouth around Cam....He's young and takes everything serious :confused: :shrug:
I'll get Lil-man to make a call for 1st place. It will have a nice ketchup/BBQ hand rubbed finish, for the occasion...and Bill of course. :biggrin:
heck don't matter to me what kind a meat it is. I have a 300 lb hog in the frezzer so that is what I will probably use. that is if this goes through.(don't want to butt in here being a first timer and making up contests and such) and even if we do not make it as a contest still gonna make it.
If your brining pork, I'll bring some deer and Squirrel. ( BBQ Squrriel is Lil-mans fav) And like ya said, if they don't want to have a contest, Well still have plenty of BBQ.
I figure if we feed them well, they will have some pitty and show us to some good hunting spots seeing to how they've hunted there before :confused:
Quote from: awh on April 26, 2007, 09:20:43 AM
I'll get Lil-man to make a call for 1st place. It will have a nice ketchup/BBQ hand rubbed finish, for the occasion..
:roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :laf:
sounds good to me. I probably will bring some homemade brew also :eyebrow:
Ohhhh.....Ben. You may be my new best friend. I do like a home brew. :bowingsmilie:
I might have to stop by the friends in Tennessee on the way down for a jar of corn. (Honey Lemon corn that is) :innocentwhistle:
I figure if we feed them well, they will have some pitty and show us to some good hunting spots seeing to how they've hunted there before :confused:
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You feed this bunch good and you'll have more places and folks to hunt with than you can shake a stick at :nono:
As for a cook off. If you started a pit up in there , you would have half the downwind county in there with a bib on . :roflmao: Jimmie
I already have a 2 quart jar of some Tenn.clear stuff I could maybe bring that stuff along.Got lotsa deer meat in the freezer,but I will have to buy some ketchup though don't have that much in stock :roflmao:
I really do need to get down to the LBL in 08.Looks like it is already gearing up to be a good one
Bill
Okay.........after a long, thoughtful deliberation........I nominate myself as one of the official taste testers. :innocentwhistle: Ya might as well have a pro like me......at least I know what BBQ is........ :eyebrownod:
Speaking of the white lightening, I got a buddy here that makes some mighty smooth peach stuff.......occasionally I will use it for medicinal purposes......... :wink:
It's the best I have tasted and I've had it charred, clear, and the rot gut run through a radiator and cut with clorox stuff. :whew:
Bop.......with all that stuff.........I am going to need to make the trip over to your place. It is not that far ya know. :biggrin:
Uh.......don't have any on the place as of now, but your more than welcome to come anytime Newdog.......... :biggrin:
My wife thinks I look for reasons to get to feeling "under the weather" when I have my "medicine around". :wo:
:holdon: I wonder though, if a man brought that to LBL...........he could find himself in a heap of trouble due to it's very nature with the establishment.
:innocentwhistle:
True. So true. Last trip we took to your wonderful state Bop, my cuz was sweeting bullets cause our Tenn. friend had placed several quarts in the back of cuz's truck so we could give it to the other friends of theirs up here. I could yell cop and cuz would get the shakes pretty bad.....LOL. I love picking on the boy. I guess I'll leave what I got at home at home. And stop by the friends on the way back home. He makes some called apple pie that is so so good....and the lemon honey is good. And the cherry, peach and plain clear is good....I might have to call him tonight now that I got a hankering for a taste.
One of the major reasons the LBL was created was to get rid of the concentration of moonshiners there. And since one of th former landowners had established a game park there, it gave the government ideas. The remnants of the herd of fallow deer are still there on the original preserve which is the environmental education center now. Moonshining is a big part of the stories that come from there when you talk to some of the descendants.
A son of the former park keeper told me about the feds dumping out the mash from a still in what is now Honker bay. It was the first time he had seen drunk Canada Geese. Unlike airline pilots, drunk geese can't fly :laf: Jimmie
Count me in, if the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise, Had a GREAT time this year!!!! :yoyo:
Silvertip
PS.- Here are some general maps on how to get to Wranglers Campground at LBL, for everyone who needs them.
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Thanks for the maps Silvertip.
I just looked at the directions for mapquest. 12 hr trip 770 miles along with 250 dollars in gas and that is if the prices stay the same. I am going to be coming through the bottom half of ohio all the way through west virginia and kentucky. maybe a possible car pool with someone? I am thinking about purchasin a new truck and hopefully I will have it by then.
Nice Grizz.
I'll have to convert those to a black and white .PDF file and repost em for folks to print, when I get caught up.
......if anyone is interested. :confused:
Be sure to mark all of the hot huntin spots on MY copy of the map too, please. Thanks. :biggrin:
Jimmie gave me a map with his double secret honey holes marked already but, hey, a few more would be extra nice. :eyebrow: :innocentwhistle:
Yeah, Like I would know where they are at. I was one of the empty handed ones at the LBL too. :laf:
well, only about a 12 hr drive or so for me..... I am already planning on it...
heck another pennsyltuckian. do you want to pair up and ride together down? I am from carlisle area.
I am planning on being there. I am an hour East of KC, MO if anyone is looking for A ride. ~KT
I'm going. If anyone from or near Southwest Virginia wants to share a ride give me a yell. Or from Tennessee since I'll be driving through the whole state anyway.
Not driving through Wisconsin though uh?? :innocentwhistle:
:roflmao:
Ah cmon Jim......it is not THAT far. :hahaha:
It looks like I am going,but I might need a ride.Anyone going through East central Ohio
Bill
Quote from: bnccont on May 16, 2007, 03:37:21 AM
It looks like I am going,but I might need a ride.Anyone going through East central Ohio
Bill
DUH! :doh2:
vvarmintr what does this mean DUH :doh2: Do I have a ride
Bill
Sure do Billy Boy. :wink:
W/ the price of gas we might snag a couple more or do a caravan w/ some PA boys. :eyebrow:
Just a thought. :shrug:
sounds Great !!!
Bill
Man........I forgot about gas prices....... :doh2:
That can only mean one thing.........Got any money Chet? :innocentwhistle: :yahoo:
QuoteThat can only mean one thing.........Got any money Chet?
:holdon: No problem... Bop !!! I've got a Tennessee credit card.... :eyebrow:
Six foot of rubber hose and an empty five gallon gas can. :wink:
:laf:
...for everything else, there's MasterCard :laf: :laf:
Quote from: FinsnFur on May 18, 2007, 11:47:30 PM
...for everything else, there's MasterCard :laf: :laf:
I'll just bet you been waiting for a chance to say that! :eyebrownod:
Well, not really. But I knew I had to beat you.
Anyway...it fit well dont ya think? :laf: :eyebrownod:
Yeah! ;yes;
Quote from: FinsnFur on May 18, 2007, 11:47:30 PM
...for everything else, there's MasterCard :laf: :laf:
I put up A link in the humor forum for my favorite Mastercard commercial (spoof). Hope ya'll like it. ~KT
Howdy All , Was wondering if you could stand another Buckeye hunter down there ? Will there be enough room? Sounds to me its going to be a good hunt!!! Thats if Gas isn't $5 a gallon!! hahahaaa Guess I'll ride my horse! Another ? fer ya, Can I use my Muzzle Loader? :eyebrownod:
Good question Blackfish. Maybe someone can post the legal guns that we can bring? Lil-man only has so many choices and I might need to ....(Is the wife listening??)....buy a few more guns. :wo:
Quote from: awh on May 25, 2007, 11:24:19 AM
Good question Blackfish. Maybe someone can post the legal guns that we can bring? Lil-man only has so many choices and I might need to ....(Is the wife listening??)....buy a few more guns. :wo:
Buy them anyway......... :eyebrow:
During th month of february any legal caliber hunting weapon is legal for coyote in th LBL. So your muzzleloader is OK Blackfish.
All reservations to stay at Wranglers campground must now be handled through ReserveUSA website. Yah'll just remember that cabins A1 and A2 are already spoken for that weekend. Two days for the Large cabins will be around $112 give or take a few if they decide to increase the rates a bit again this year.
We did have an increase on out of state Ky licsenses this year so that will be diferent this time. How much yet I am not sure. LBL hunting permit has remained the same. Jimmie
Thanks for the reply Jimmie,I 'll go on your states DNR web page and check out lic. prices and laws. I had seen the LbL hunting article in the Varmint Hunter Mag and thought it would make a good road trip ! As long as things go well this year, sounds like tits to me! Might even bring another "Old Retired Man "with me to share the tripp $ and drive! I'll check out Wranglers site too ! Thanks fer the infro!
Jimmie Mac
have it at the same time as Predatormasterbaters do :yoyo: Oh they dont have it there anymore do they? just down in Crapshits back door,,ur I mean Back yard dont they ???
How many to a Large cabin ? if a large cabin is $66 a day how much for a small cabin and how many does a small cabin sleep ? and most people just go down on Saturday & Sunday ?
I agree with ya Blackfish about the cost of gas, It MIGHT be around $4.50 by the time the LBL rolls around :doh2: :sad2: :mad2: :mad3:
Bob
The large cabins have 6 twin sized beds (bunk beds) and a full sized bed. Can't really say how big the small cabins are, never been in one of those.
There are some people that come down for just the Saturday and Sunday but not many. Most people come in early in the week and stay till Sunday. At least that is what I try to do.
The small cabin has two bunk beds and a full size bed. It costs about $35 per night. Without heat. :biggrin: So ya need to bring an electric heater of some sort with ya. Wrangler's has portable heaters for use but sometimes they don't work real well. :biggrin:
This fat boy doesn't rough it quite like the rest. At the south gate of the LBL is a place called the Dover Inn. Yeah BABY!!!
It's not fancy, but if you rent a cabin there you have a kitchen (YUMMY), a heated room, comfortable beds, warm water, and showers. If you just rent a room the only difference is the kitchen ain't there. :biggrin:
I'll visit with you boys at night, but when fat boy becomes sleepy boy.........Dover Inn bound. :wink:
I actually have a freind that lives about 40 minutes away. I am probably going to stay there during the week, then head to Wranglers for the Weekend. :sneer:
Sounds like there could be enough fellers in camp to put on a drive. :yoyo: I'm Serrious! There are locals here that drive coyote. Sometimes they actually do some shooting too. Too labor intensive for a graying, overweight, middleaged ridgerunner from PA though. I'm not saying I am one :wink: just that it is.....well, you know. :innocentwhistle:
We ain't got near enough manpower for a drive. That would take young and not so over wieght men in there :nono: Jimmie
I know that I am deffinately coming down but I called a buddy of mine and he said that he might come down along with me. I was wondering to you guys normally pair up with others in the cabins. it would be stupid financially speaking to rent a cabin for only 2 people when it can fit 7. just wondering since this will be my first time hunting out of state.
Bigben
Me and Cam are planning on being there. (If his mom lets him skip school for a few day's...if not, just me I guess) We'll split a cabin w/ ya if you want too. May bring one of the cousins as well. Won't know if he can go till closer to the hunt.
It's just 8 more months and then SHOWTIME!!!!
Looking forward to it already........ :eyebrownod:
Cant wait !!!!!!!!! :yoyo:
well guys, I talked it over with the wife and am figuring i will be there.... just need direction to get there and one of those "special" maps jimmie has... given i have those two things i am there....
Yotehunter74, and Bigben, You can go to LBL.org and download one of the road and zone maps of the LBL. Get yourselves familiar with those. I will post closed roads or bad roads when we get closer to the hunt. These are also what I mark for newbies to the area when they get there. I try to have a number of areas scouted out with easy access for those who need it as well.
You can also go to any one of the map sites and look at arial photos and topo maps of the LBL. Type Land Between the Lakes in the search.
Break in a good pair of boots and your all set :biggrin: Jimmie
Quote from: Jimmie in Ky on June 18, 2007, 11:33:32 AM
Break in a good pair of boots and your all set :biggrin: Jimmie
That's for sure. And get yor legs in shape too. Lots of hills down thar. That is unless ya hunt smart. Being on the dumb side, me and No Neck did a bunch of walkin last Feb. I called up one yote but couldn't close the deal with the scattter gun. But FUN it was. :biggrin:
You guys suck! My G/f is going to have our #2 in january (#2 meaning baby) and she will kick me in the nuts if I go!
well then you wont have to worry about #3 (#3 meaning baby)
So see ya at the following one :yoyo:
browning 204
I agree with Jim and you wont have to worry about #3 ,,Going to the LBL will be A LOT CHEAPER so tell your Girlfriend that you are going to the LBL so she can have more money to spend in the long run :biggrin: :eyebrow:
Bob
I will talk to the G/F about goin. She don't care what I do as long as there is enough $$ to go around!
But it will be a very long drive for me!!!!
Not something I like doing. Maybe if you guys twist my arm!!!
I would need more info on the deal.
Just about six months away now..............I can't stand it.......hurry up February. :yahoo: ;yes; :thumb2:
I just realized that I'll be 21 come this LBL! :yahoo: :yahoo: Count me in 4 sure. No wife to slow me down.
Anyone want to carpool from NC? I'm in Concord and only have my mazda runnin right now. My truck is in pieces as it is being rebuilt.
Also, is anyone up for pulling off a week at LBL? I get 2 weeks off work per year and don't have anthing better to blow one on.
Has the attendance sheet been started? If so, I would recommend an estimated stay duration for each guy, so everone can plan on how long they may want to keep the party rockin. MAN I'M STOKED!!!
I reeeaallly want to make it down there in '08, but it is going to depend on where I am working. I am in the job search process right now trying to start a new career. If I am still employed at the same place you can bet I will be there. If I am working somewhere else, it will depend on my schedule.
Ya know that's beaver trapping season up here...who knows what you might find getting cooked up on the grill :eyebrow:
BigBen, Yotehunter and all of you other PA / OH area guys, I might be able to drag somebody along with me when I head south from Northwestern PA. Should I bring the wifes mini-van :confused: It gets better gas milegae than my truck and she really likes the smell of a dead coyote :puke: :puke:
Steve
If my job dosen't change, I'll be going. Thinking about driving my wife's new Ford Escape. It's easy on gas. She can't drive a stick so won't have to worry about my P/U while I'm gone. :eyebrownod:
we could do a caravan down. I am hoping to drag dave dunbar down with me. he said to keep him updated. I am starting to work overtime again so the extra 100 or so bucks is going to the bank to get some reserve worked up. I am definately comin down though you can count on that.
It's looking iffy for me with the new job and all. But I'm not giving up.
I will say to far away for me right now to plan to many factors to figure in
I will try my best to be there
Coulter keep in touch see what happens till then
Bill, you're only 5 hrs from my house. Get this far and I'll drag you the last 5 hrs from here. :biggrin:
10 hours, shoot that ain't nothing for a good coyote hunt. :biggrin: It takes me about 8 hours to get there. I sure wish I lived closer, I would be like a cucaburr in those coyotes sides.
Will do Bill...I figure if I haven't switched jobs by January I will be heading down. I'll keep ya posted either way.
Steve
8 hours? :iroll:
14 for this for boy :yoyo:
We can car pool Jim :biggrin:
I would car pool with ya Bushie, but I'll be dropping in to LBL from Louisiana or Arkansas... Plus I haven't decided if I'll be heading east or west when I leave.
I forgot about you being right above me Sparky :wo:
I still need to see where I'm at with the new job. I'll have to keep ya in mind though, yeah that'd work and save us both some cash.
So the dates still Feb 1rst 2nd and 3rd
If so you can count me in
QuoteI am hoping to drag dave dunbar down with me. he said to keep him updated
I will haft to give ol Dave a call! I would like to see him make it down!
Bill,
I can be there in 6 Hrs.
Brent
Sounds like a 10 hour trip for me then
Just walk Bill...... :eyebrownod:
I should start now then
Hey guys! I'm new to this site but I live next door to the LBL and hunt it an awful lot. I really want to get involved with the annual hunt this year and meet some new friends. I pretty much hunt alone mainly because I don't have anybody to hunt with. I moved here from Oregon last fall. Is there any way I can get paired up with someone to hunt with? Let me know what the dates are and how the thing goes. I have located a bunch of coyotes again this year while hunting deer all season. Next cold snap and I'll start calling varmits daily. That's a great place to do it. Look forward to seeing you all this Feb!!
Welcome to FnF, hammeryotes!
You won't have any problem finding someone to hunt with. Some guys like to hunt alone and some don't mind taking one or two along. Be sure to bring some hip waders for the evening sessions around the campfire. The BS gets pretty deep. :roflmao:
Semp
Hey hammeryotes! I live and go to school down here in Murray, and like you I hunt those wiley LBL yotes quite a bit. We should meet up some time and head out there. Whereabouts do you live in the area?
I live out between mayfield and Symsonia. I would love to hook up and get after em' some time. I'll send a PM or visa versa and we'll get eachothers Phone #'s. Thanks for the reply guys. I'm looking into cabin rentals right now. If there's nothing available I'll probab;y just throw up a tent and rough it.
I am going thursday afternoon if this danged weather gets the heck out of here. Maybe there won't be a lot of human traffic that day wiping out a lot of sign. Jimmie
Hey Jimmie in KY, we were going to do something last winter and we never got it done. That was my bad. If you're going out this week and want some company, let me know. I'll meet you guys some where and we'll do it. I can't seem to figure out how to send a PM on this forum. Lame huh. Anyhow, If any of you guys want to meet up send me a PM or an e-mail @ timbercutter@gmail.com. Thanks!
Quote from: hammeryotes on December 10, 2007, 04:11:26 PM
I can't seem to figure out how to send a PM on this forum. Lame huh.
Hey Hammeryotes.....your not crazy....you need to have 25 posts in order to send PM's. Keep in mind that there are rules about posting to increase your post count. Something about castration. :confused: Just kidding.