Kel-tec P11

[FinsnFur]

Hey Semp, did you ever run any JHP's through your P11 when you had it?

Mines acting like it's not real fond of them.
I loaded a clip up last night, pulled the slide back, let er go and she hung up at the base of the barrel. What do they call that?...loading ramp?

I locked the slide back and shook out the round. Then hit the slide release to try again, and she hung up again.



I went through these motions a dozen more times to see how often it would do this, and it 5 more times out of 12 tries.

The funny thing is, the round is actually shorter in length then a FMJ, which cycles perfectly.



Looking inside the action you can see the "ramp" is much much steeper on the Kel-tec which I'm sure is contributed to it's compactness.

Kel-tec


Ruger

[weedwalker]

 You might try some Hornady Critical Defense rounds. They are a little more pointed and will probably load better. I had a S&W #69 that did the same thing.

[FinsnFur]

Forgot to mention I took er down to the quarry this morning to see if it reacted the same way under fire.
All ten rounds cycled fine when cycled automatically, but it makes me wonder how much if any distortion the bullet is taking on the way in.

[weedwalker]

If I carry a gun for personal protection, there has to be NO DOUBT that it will fire if I need it. I'd find a round it will shoot consistantly without jamming.

[FinsnFur]

My thoughts exactly. I said to myself, I'm not about to be in a situation where I have to open this thing up and shake out a jammed round.

The Ruger likes em just fine.

[HaMeR]

The steeper ramp likes the more rounded bullets better. Just from your pic the Hornady Critical Defense rds appear to have a longer & slightly pointier nose on them. Diane's LC9 loads & cycles those as well as the FMJ's she shoots for target practice.


disclaimer-- i am not Semp & i'm sure the real Semp will agree with that.

[FinsnFur]

You mean Winchester Personal Protection rounds?  (right side)

The FMJ is on the left, that one is longer and rounder from where I'm setting. Or what did you mean?

[HaMeR]

MY un pictured Hornady rds VS YOUR pictured HP rds. 

[FinsnFur]

Yeah but I meant to me the FMJ is longer

[weedwalker]

It's not the length of the bullett. It's the bluntness of the HP you have pictured. The blunt end is just pushing against the ramp instead of sliding up it like a more pointed bullett would.

[KySongDog]

If the gun cycled OK under fire, perhaps you were riding the slide when manually trying to chamber a round.   

That P11 I had ran fine.   Some hollowpoints are more aggressive than others and cause cycling problems in some guns.  You have to experiment and find the ammo that your gun likes. 

Try Corbon's powerball. It will cycle every time.  It's a hollow point with a plastic ball in the cavity so that it cycles just like a FMJ round.

[slagmaker]

I agree with semp, you may have been riding the slide. It may also go away after you break the firearm in a little. BUT you also have a shallower ogave on the Hollow point rounds pictured wich will cause them to move diffrently. My suggestion is shoot some ball ammo "FMJ" through it and see how she acts racking the slide on some Hollow points after a couple hundred rounds.

If that dosnt work bring it on down to the LBL with ya  and we will look at it for you and see if anyone has any pointers . I will even bring some diffrent types of ammo so we can see how she acts with each .

[HaMeR]

I was gonna say the same thing weed said & now I don't have to. 

Thanks Ed!! 

[FinsnFur]

Bring it to the LBL uh

I know why it's happening with that round, I wanted to know if it was a defect, or a disability in the gun. If it happened to anyone else.

I wondered what some break in time would do myself. I think I'm going to try them again after I get some more rounds through it.
Never heard of powerballs, but I'll look for some

[HaMeR]

You NEED some Zombie rds. 

[FinsnFur]

I've got some of those, but those will be fired from.... ..well...something different 

[FinsnFur]

Ok, we are done with the Winchester Personal Protection rounds in the Kel-tec 
We'll let the Ruger eat those.

I went out little while ago and gave em the HaMeR test. I shot one, let it cycle and then pulled out the cycled round to inspect for damage.
This is what I found.



The best part is I could hardly get the slide open. It kept catching. I would tug and tug, which means that burr on the casing....well you know what it means

I hit my favorite gun shop and asked about ball ammo, they said like this 
So I hit Cabelas and found HaMeR's Hornady Self Defense rounds but no powerballs.
The Kel-tec actually likes the Hornady's. They are quite a bit shorter which I think gives them a little more clearance going up the ramp. They shot real nice.




Here's 5 Hornady rounds at 30 feet. Not the worlds tightest group, but it wasnt going to walk away. And actually pretty good for a 3 inch barrel me thinks.

[Hawks Feather]

That accuracy at 30 feet is probably more than you would ever need.  Probably practice at about 15 feet with a pit-bull running toward you to get a better idea of what would really happen. 

Jerry

P.S.  When trying this, make sure you have a backup shooter (good shooter) in case you miss the pit-bull.   

[KySongDog]

Here is what the Corbon Powrball looks like, Jim.

[FinsnFur]

  Probably practice at about 15 feet with a pit-bull running toward you to get a better idea of what would really happen. 

You got that right Jerry. When face to face with an immediate threat everything changes. I've actually seen videos on how even trained people deteriorate under such circumstances.

Interesting Semp. I seen them listed on CheaperThanDirt but they never really showed the rounds. What is that tip made of?