How much does it REALLY cost?...for a manufacturer to build an electronic caller?
Surely not somewhere between $300 and $1500 which is what would be led to believe based on a lot of the prices.
Check this out, and who makes it. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0060269629413a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Product_liberal&QueryText=doorbell&sort=all&Go.y=6&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=8&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1
They're kinda letting the cat out of the bag aint they? :roflmao:
That does ask some questions doesn't it :laf:. I can see it now will be on a few companys pooh list :hahaha:
:roflmao: I like that!
Seems like the guy that made the loudmouth that used to work for foxpro said somewhere on the forms way back when that the 416 cost less than a 80.00 bucks to make. I am sure that post is long gone. Do any of you remember that?
I would think if someone took an original mold the start up cost would be fairly large.If someone takes a mold already setup it would not be so bad. As we all no the electronics in the calls or simple fairly cheap to get.
Yup!
I cant recall his last name but first name was Wayne wasnt it?
Loudmouth game calls
Mannnn did I spend a lot of time on the phone with that guy when he was trying to sell me a caller while administering PM.
Now that you mention it, Rich...I do recall him saying that. Building them for dirt selling them for gold. :nono:
100% Chinese.
speaker in a housing, $1.5
rf remote $1.50
misc electronics maybe $1
and I would bet I am very close.
American made, American Salaries the cost is in overhead,
and the moldings they use.
the other cost is thier low volume pricing for electronics.
But made here :)
QuoteAmerican made, American Salaries the cost is in overhead,
There is a difference in Made in America and assembled in America.
The e-caller companies claiming "made in America" really means "assembled in America".
The molding and electronics and most all electronic components they use come from other countries and are assembled here.
When a company states "made in America" and knowingly knows their components and molding comes from over seas they are using our patriotism for our country as a common sales pitch to sell us stuff. This is a sad and an awful truth these companies are way worse than the ones openly using other countries to produce their products at least their not lying to the American public and exploiting American patriotism just to make a profit.
This thing doesn't say "American Made", so unless Extreme Dimensions is run by a group of Nazi's I have to believe it's made off shore. Theoretically they should be inexpensive then right?
So hypothetically, "American Made" ecallers, some of which are made by this same exact company, the cost is in moldings and salaries?
I dont buy it :nono:
Actually I'm willing to roll with half of that... salaries which is the exact point being made here. These guys are shanking us hardcore with these things. And Extreme Dimensions is exposing it.
Yeah the callers have a lot more bells and whistles, but $500 dollars worth? :nono: Nuh uhh.
The price of something usually has little to do with the cost of something. It is the market that determines the price. Have you ever tried to sell something you paid, say, $100 for and all you could get on Epray was $25? No one really cares what your cost is. It is what the market will pay that counts.
Quote from: Semp on December 12, 2009, 06:03:57 AM
The price of something usually has little to do with the cost of something. It is the market that determines the price. Have you ever tried to sell something you paid, say, $100 for and all you could get on Epray was $25? No one really cares what your cost is. It is what the market will pay that counts.
This so true and the reason why buying antiques has been a good investment for the past 100 years. A new car depreciates by a huge amount upon driving it off the lot[there is another one already there to take it's place]. An old car has already lost all the lustre and false value and there isn't another one to replace it so it actually goes up in value.
You'd think that with as many Ecaller companies as there is today that one of them could literally corner the market with a little bit fairer pricing.
But that dont happen. New E-caller companies are born instead as everyone wants a slice of the prospering anarchy.
Damb thread :argh:. I took this over to another site we all know and [ ] :wink:. Did some chirping so now I gotta buy one and prove it will work as a caller :doh2:.
Well then again maybe not :biggrin:
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :nono:
Speak the truth to the choir and this is what yo get. :laf: After someone spends 500 bucks plus on a caller they dont want to hear anything negative nor say anything negative. This would have them have to admit they made a 500 buck bad decision. :laf:
Dont get me wrong I love my electronic callers at times. Early season uneducated coyotes and crows, a good ole electronic is hard to beat.
I dont agree with the prices but as Semp stated that is what the market prices are. Funny thing is if they came out with a caller just as good and with the same quality as a $500.00 dollar caller but for less than $200.00 alot guys would call it cheap and say things like "save your money and buy the $500.00 caller."
These are the same guys that buy the Browning and puts down the guy with the savage.We all know which one shoots the best groups straight out the box. :eyebrownod:
It's also like a friend of mine in the antique biz in his store one day I noticed a lamp for $300.00. I ask what as so special about it? Floyd said nothing it was a $75.00 dollar lamp but if he put $75.00 on it no one would buy it. No one wants a cheap lamp in there collection and nobody wants a cheap gun or caller in there collection. Go figure I dont care if the price is high or cheap if it works for what I want then I use it.
QuoteFunny thing is if they came out with a caller just as good and with the same quality as a $500.00 dollar caller but for less than $200.00 alot guys would call it cheap and say things like "save your money and buy the $500.00 caller."
These are the same guys that buy the Browning and puts down the guy with the savage.We all know which one shoots the best groups straight out the box. eyebrownod
That is where "marketing" comes in to play. The manufacturer spends big bucks on ad campaigns, Pro Staff testimonials ( :biggrin: ), and overall hype to build the
perception that their product is the end all and be all of ecallers. They spend this money in hopes of building demand for their ecaller and, of course, maximize profits. Same for guns, cars, trucks, any product in the market place really.
:confused: Where's all these ProStaff guys at?
We normally got people in here puking hype all over the floor representing these companies, and now it's like the night before Christmas. :huh:
Quote from: FinsnFur on December 12, 2009, 07:28:04 PM
:confused: Where's all these ProStaff guys at?
We normally got people in here puking hype all over the floor representing these companies, and now it's like the night before Christmas. :huh:
Speaking of which, where has possumal disappeared to? Haven't seen the ole possum post anything, anywhere for a long time. Possumal, you still around?
I sure wish I knew how to build one of those e-callers. I would sell them for a whole lot less $$ than the competition & make every owner a Pro Staffer!! :yoyo:
Research it HaMeR. You can do it.
Then put me down for an orange and black one :eyebrownod:
So do I order one and prove it works as a caller or what :innocentwhistle:? I think I can call in a coyote with dang near any sound so am thinking I should :doh2:.
:laf: :laf:
:nono: :nono: I aint got no GEEK in me jimbo!! :laf: :laf:
Quote from: pitw on December 12, 2009, 08:17:12 PM
So do I order one and prove it works as a caller or what :innocentwhistle:? I think I can call in a coyote with dang near any sound so am thinking I should :doh2:.
That would be awesome Barry!!!!! They made it legal there ......and if ya killed a coyote with a $30 doorbell ?? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Old RedFart would die if that one got out....... :laf: :laf:
DAMMITT Barry you gotta do it!! :yoyo: :yoyo:
Quote from: pitw on December 12, 2009, 08:17:12 PM
So do I order one and prove it works as a caller or what :innocentwhistle:? I think I can call in a coyote with dang near any sound so am thinking I should :doh2:.
Ummmm, I dare ya. :innocentwhistle:
I double dog dare ya!!
QuoteI double dog dare ya!!
There you go Barry, no way out of it now "you got to do it". Slag "Double Dog Dared you". :laf:
Do it before I or someone brings out the triple dog dare. :wink:
You could have Bob do it so you wont be using this E-caller thingy ..... :eyebrow: ......Besides...its not an E-caller....its a doorbell.
And......... I TRIPLE DOG DARE YA.......... :biggrin:
I been looking for somewhere else to buy it and what i've found so far is that everyone wants half the price of the ding-a-ling for shippping :argh:. I may wait until after Christmas to see if they don't come down in price[they are a bit of a novelty item] or contact the company and see if I can field test it as a prostaffer :biggrin:.
I can see the hat now Barry!!
DOORBELL PRO STAFF
:laf: :laf:
Ding O Ling Pro Staff !!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
Quote from: pitw on December 13, 2009, 09:56:56 AM
contact the company and see if I can field test it as a prostaffer :biggrin:.
YES!! :biggrin: :yoyo: Just to see the response you get if nothing else!! :eyebrow:
you guys ought to know better. most products on the market has atleast 200% markup. I will have to say that when we toured the foxpro facility my father asked how much I paid for my call. I told him and he said they are making it for atleast a fifth of what I paid. oh well though. I wanted one and I got one. it is supply and demand. if the demand wasn't there they would not be able to sell it for that much. they are also trying to recoup their research money they spend in research and development. you figure in a few years with the market the way it is a caller is becoming obsolete because there are many people that want the best thing out there. how many people do you see upgrading their ecall because there is something else better. same thing with darn near about everything out in the market place today. Cars, computers, electronics such as mp3 players. I mean come on an I pod touch? anyone seen the price on those things? for what to listen to music? I remember having a walkman tape player. if there is someone out there willing to spend x amount of $ on something then that is what they will sell for. it's america get used to it.
also I am willing to bet the door bell call listed probably isn't as loud as some want. and it might be distorted once it does become loud enough.
A fool and his money are soon parted. J.P. Barnham
Hey I bought an FX5. I wanted a WT but I went the FX route cause of the fact I can put sounds on it and dont have to send it in just to swap out sounds. Now after hunting with it for a season and a half I am positive I would have rather just put the money into something else. Maybe, Oh I dont know, a new tattoo or a piercing.
Nah!!... I am glad I have my FX5 cause I can sit and recorde myself on my hand calls and put them on the e-caller. The e-caller will also do things I cant do with a mouth call. You ever try to sound like two tom cats fighting with an open reed? Kind of difficult.
Do I agree with the pricing of all the e-callers out there. NO but like it has been said over and over its supply and demand. If the product works people are going to pay whatever price they ask.
DO I think it would be funny if a coyote was actually called in using a door bell. DAMM BETCH YA!! Would that fact make the price of high end e-callers go down. NO I dont think so. Would embarrassing the companys that set the prices by showing them that a door bell can call in yotes help. Not likley but you never know.
Quote from: bigben on December 13, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
you guys ought to know better. most products on the market has atleast 200% markup.
That would put the cost of this remote controlled doorbell at $10.00 :laf:
That didn't help the ecaller companies :nono:
I picked up an FX3 from a dealer at his cost. :biggrin: I have the FX3,rechargeable battery pack & camo carry bag & have right around $300 in it. They were $440 thru other dealers. I like it that I can change sounds here at home too. Plus you ever try to sound like a bunch of crows having at it with a hawk with one crow call in your face?? :laf: :laf: Me neither!! :nono: Does it matter what it costs to buy it?? Nope. :nono: Cause if it did then it would matter how much you paid for the device you shot the critter with. Does it really matter what the markup is?? Nope!! :nono: Cause if it did it would matter what the markup is on the rig you shot the critter with. It's called pay to play for a reason. Because you have to to do it. Nobody made me buy it either. :nono: I did it all on my own. :biggrin:
That little Cass Kreek caller was never very loud either but I seen it call coyotes many times..... :eyebrownod:
hey ya can go all kinds of directions with this.
I use a mojo critter getter. The one with a spinning cable. Works great. I also have a feather on a stick. it was a lot cheaper and I found everything I needed for it for free. I like them both. I use them both. they both work. I would think about the same. The mojo cost me like 15 bucks or somthing. I got a deal on it. and why not I had the money to blow on it. And that is my point. some people would never think of making something there selfs if they can pay someone to do it for them.
Bought a Js prey master, foxpro 416, Foxpro FX3 and a Minaska all in one. Worked over time to buy them and did without here at home. I wanted the latest great thing out there. Would I do it all over again? why yes? Can I bicth about the prices? why yes.
I would like to see e-callers go down in price so others won’t have to struggle like I did to purchase one. Electronics have continued to decrease in price over the last several years but E-callers have not. They seem to rise at each so called new technology. In reality it has no more technology than a early 90’s MP3 player an a two way radio. As a lot of you know I am a Madd calls Big Country All In One fanatic and love their calls, but would love to see then go down to the $250.00 dollar range so more folks could be able to afford one.
By having more threads like these around the net and voicing our opinions on the high prices will help bring the prices down. Defending the 200% markups does nothing to help others struggling to enter the coyote hunting world using an e-caller.
I am not about a guy that can afford a top of the line rifle and a 3,000 dollar a year hunting lease. I am about the working man that struggles to make a living and be able to hunt.
Hey if it sounds as good as a WT I want that new Foxpro the CS something or other. I have an FX5 so why not trade up. I may. jsut depends on how muche MORE money I have to shell out. Do I want to NO but I just want the better sound quality. If I could open up my FX5 abd make it sound less tiny less of that speaker echo that machinacal twang that I hear in it. The WT didnt have that unless you went WAY UP in volume.
Basically it comes down to ANY preceived EDGE! I was sitting at the camp sight the other night and I could count the number of red spot lights that went off over over the course of teh night. I am hunting a very hunted area. So any edge I can muster.
If you take that door bell out to the woods and bring in a yote they are goan get wise to it very quick. Then you have how many more times before you are just carrying along some extra PITA. The high dollar stuff gives you the chance to use a greater variety of sounds.
I hear people saying that they worry about the working man, don't worry about the cost, worry about the cost and so on. I love the outdoors and have spent as many minutes in it as my way of life will permit. Including just sleeping in a tent with/without Donny for at least 50 nights this year. Everybody has their choice as you guys on this site have taught me. I like to pit myself against the animal that I'm animal by myself with no aid from any kind of easy button[save the trigger on some kind of firearm]. I don't own a quad, electronic caller, new gun, good scope, binoculars you can actually see through and I seem to make out all right. Can I afford the toys? More than likely but I don't /want need them and I sure as heck will teach my boys they don't either. It's fairly simple to start doing things the easy way but once you start it gets harder to do them the hard way in my opinion. I've had many people say they would love to live my way of life but I don't believe it cause they aren't doing it :wo:. What I'm trying to say is enjoy whatever you are doing and if you want change, then change it's that simple.
I look at it this way when I want to get something ...
I make X amount of dollars a day. Would I work at my job long enough to pay for it?
So would I work 5, 6, or 7 days at my job to own an E-caller? :shrug: Haven't bought one yet. :nono:
But I do own a Browning rifle, & it shot great right out of the box. :innocentwhistle:
I wonder sometimes if shopping for an E-caller has some of the same problems that allowing folks to hunt on my property brings.
What I mean is I let folks hunt....as many as I can....cause they need a place to go and I own such a place.
I kill deer on the place on a regular basis only to find them at the truck when I return....complaining of how tough the hunting was and how they did not see anything....I simply say then why are you standing at the truck in broad daylight.....you did not have a bad day you simply wanted easy....an easy kill that is...and that aint hunting.
I use mouth calls most of the time......I do try and change up now and then but seem to fall back on the same old call as it seems to work for me just like my favorite spinnerbait catches a lot of fish for me.... I have more confidence in it as I have seen it work many times.
I have seen a $25 E-caller work as well but it really was not as fun for me....
I have seen $500 e-caller work and yet I still use that same old mouth call with a confidence that can not be broken....
I aint trying to sell nothing to anyone.....nor do I want to be anyone other than a hunter
I make calls.....But I push them on no one.....I havent even put one up for sale here in a good while....
I own an E-caller and I will use it from time to time......But you will only see me back at the truck when I am done with a good days hunting as they are all good........killing or not....I try my best and if the easy button ever REALLY happens I will quit.
Hunting anything involves how we challenge ourselves .....hunting a particular buck.....is hard .....killing a buck.....not as hard
Call him in and only shoot the one you want when he comes to the call.......Now thats a challenge.... :eyebrow:
Coyotes, fox, crows.......anything you hunt you can find these challenges if the coyotes are used to anything and dont come.
I doubt it was just the call ya used.....but how ya used it and or how ya set up....or what ya did....I been there.....and I am going back......with the same old calls. :wink:
not sure what to say jim. if the doorbell call works then great for ya. the only reason I have not bought another e call like the fury or cs24 is my fx-5 is still working. I am sure in a few years the new calls will be cheaper. I do agree that they are over priced but like I stated that unless the demand falls for em then the price will stay up there. foxpro did try to match what johnny stewert did with the spitfire against the pm-4. both are cheaper and I am sure I would have bought one of them if it wasn't for allready owning a e call. I would have stayed with my johnny stewert if it was wireless. that was the biggest PITA then anything. I still use it at night though off and on.
The PRICE of a caller sometimes pales in comparison to the Cost to ones integrity who buys and promotes it.
It's much like the story of the man trying to get lucky in a bar.......
Man - "Darlin' would you sleep with me for a million bucks?"
Hot Woman "Well, Yes, I think I would."
Man "Well, would you do it for 25 bucks?"
Hot Woman "NO! What do you think I am!?"
Man "I already know what you are, we're just haggling over the price now."
Well I guess talking isn't allowed on all boards. Went over to PM and this is what I found.
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Welcome to the club Barry!! :laf: :laf:
Thanks HaMeR :laf:. A few guys wanted to know how it came out so I thought I'd let you all know :innocentwhistle:. Jim should have done the same thing after 47 posts here :wink:. Took me less time to get to 2200 posts here than to get 47 over there :iroll:.
:laf: @ the post count!! You got to 2200 here quicker because you can post your opinions freely. :yoyo:
Quote from: HaMeR on December 16, 2009, 09:18:43 AM
You got to 2200 here quicker because you can post your opinions freely. :yoyo:
No I can't :confused:. I hijacked one fellows thread with the help of some guy who collects calls :innocentwhistle: and felt so guilty I had to buy his call :laf: :laf:.
Quote from: CCP on December 11, 2009, 10:28:18 PM
QuoteAmerican made, American Salaries the cost is in overhead,
There is a difference in Made in America and assembled in America.
The e-caller companies claiming "made in America" really means "assembled in America".
The molding and electronics and most all electronic components they use come from other countries and are assembled here.
When I went to the "Extreme Dimensions" facility it was a like a big back yard garage where they just boxed up the callers that came from over the pond (oversea's for you younger fella's) :eyebrow: and then just filled orders and shipped them out.
Developed in America, but manufactured in china.
well I know that foxpro does make their own boards in house. they assemble the calls right there in lewistown. Not sure where they get their speakers. or components. like yoters den said they could be out sourcing the work to china or mexico.
I have actually owrked for a company that bought a product form China. Then they take the product out of the box we received it in and put it in our box and shipped it to the customer. :holdon: Yeah I know thats whacked :doh2:...
Quote from: bigben on December 17, 2009, 07:43:44 AM
well I know that foxpro does make their own boards in house. they assemble the calls right there in lewistown. Not sure where they get their speakers. or components. like yoters den said they could be out sourcing the work to china or mexico.
Indeed it was a worth while trip to watch FOXPRO assemble the callers from start to finish and to meet the guys there really down to earth fella's for sure. Also thier cool indoor archery range is awesome
American made all the way!
QuoteNo I can't . I hijacked one fellows thread with the help of some guy who collects calls and felt so guilty I had to buy his call
:roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :laf: :yoyo:
Fellas, they get these prices because they can , period... We all answer questions everyday about this or that being the best sound or tactic. All those who are not as succesful are looking for and finding the magic bullet so to speak.
Look at teh bowhuntign industry and see the paralels there as well. It's faster, quieter,latest technology etc. Same old bullstuff but the public goes for it.
I find it rediculuos sometimes. The latest in mouth calls is hte Primo's cat something or other. It's a dang replica of the js pc3 with a rubber booty on it. But it's a Primos backed by Randy Anderson .
Our world is driven by foolish people willing to throw money at anything and everything for instant success , When all it takes is some hard work to succeed. Jimmie
If you slap a NEW and IMPROVED sticker on anything someone is gona buy it and swear that there success went up by a huge degree. In truth there is most likley no major diffrence in the old versus new. Now you can come out with a major break through in something like the quality of the sound. If you want to get a better quality sound then you have to have the power in the board. More powerfull board means someone is gona get more money. It does take money to design these things. YES they are over priced when they hit the consumer but I guarentee that no one person is getting rich. There are many people that are making more money on it than it is actually worth. BUT this is the way manufacture goes.
How much is a new car actually worth before all the markups?
I just think it's amazingly ironic that a remote controlled device that plays animal sounds with the push of a button, in which sells for 100's of dollars is being sold as a doorbell for $29.00 by the same company.
:roflmao: :roflmao:
I have to agree, very ironic. Or Moronic depending on which end of the money trail your on.
Am joining this thread late (or reviving it :iroll:). I'd forgotten about the electronic caller forum since I don't notice it tucked here out of sight from my main page.
I am aghast at the prices of e-callers but bought one finally, after building two of my own and researching them and watching the market for five years. By then I knew exactly the features I wanted for what I do. I begrudged the price a little but as a non-tech hunter without too many more years to hunt hard, I wanted a unit to use, now, without having to be an electronic engineer. No regrets at all. It has been a fun toy.
A couple of comments about e-caller price. An electronic engineer acquaintance once told me something to the effect that a new computer chip that had just come out would cost 5 million dollars to build the first one. He said the second one would cost 25 cents. To the extent that there is any real R&D going on in these e-caller companies, we are paying for it, rightfully so. Having said that, it has appeared to me that the norm in this business is to rush new stuff to market and let the consumers pay to do the R&D. :wo: Do you recall the endless posts about having to hold the remote just right to get it to work? And the ever present praises like, "They have WONDERFUL customer service! I've sent mine in five times and it still doesn't work but their customer service is WONDERFUL!" ?
Second, so far it has been a seller's market with rising demand sustaining high prices. As others have said, it is also a small enough market that we do not get the economy of scale that millions of units would generate. People making a living by making e-callers in a market this small probably have to charge a big mark-up to survive. It is what it is and prices reflect what the market will bear (barely bear for some of us).
My cynicism: If not for the increased competition that has pushed new features and some price restraint, my guess is that the only choices on the market would be an FP516 for a thousand dollars and the bulky older WT with 15 sounds for $1500, or more likely $2000 by now.