Just thought you guys might like seeing a picture of my Ladner Yellow Blackmouth Cur pups, born 1-25-08. The daddy is L. H. Cronk and the mama is Possum Al's Ladner Sue. This was her first litter, and she had 5 males and 3 females cleaned off and on a teat slick as an old veteran brood bitch.
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Good looking dogs
Those pups sure are cute. Keep us posted as they grow.
Jerry
8's a good sized litter, good lookin pups.
Good looking pups. Ladner curs make fine big game dogs folks. They are every bit as good as the Original Mtn. Cur or the Kemmer Cur, maybe better. It all depends on the dog and how much time the owner is willing to spend. :wink:
Wow Al I didn't you were a cur man too. :shck:
Those Ladner curs are fine dogs. That litter should make 8 happy hunters. :biggrin:
Yeah, I am thinking seriously about naming that big male "Bopeye", but I am afraid he might grow up and "BITE ME" :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
LOL Al !! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
BAaaaa!!!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
Quote from: possumal on February 13, 2008, 08:44:49 AM
Yeah, I am thinking seriously about naming that big male "Bopeye", but I am afraid he might grow up and "BITE ME" :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
You name him Bopeye and that would be one bad, fat, mo fo. You'd have to keep him on a tow chain to keep him out of the garbage....... :eyebrownod:
More on my litter of pups. They will be six weeks old tomorrow, and I would like to leave them with their mama until they are eight weeks old. Brent, J.D., and Weedwalker have spoken for three of them. Brent is getting a female, spitting image of her mama. These pups are really exceptional specimens, and represent some of the best bloodlines from L. H. Ladner's stock of curs. Mr. Ladner gets $225.00 each for pups picked up at his facility in Mississippi. I will let these go for $125.00 each to FnF members, which includes their puppy shots, worming, registration papers, and a pedigree of both the mom and pop. I am posting the pups in the following order: First is Brent's little female. Second is J.D.'s little male. Third is Weedwalker's little male. Fourth is the whole crew raising more hell than a pack of hounds with a coon treed. Note: Most guys who use this breed for coyote decoy dogs shorten their tails.
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Al,
That's sure a fine looking passel o' pups you got there ! :thumb2: ;yes;
Great looking pups, If I could move the misses out I'd have room for 2 or 3 of em. :yoyo:
bootmud
Those are GREAT lookin' pups Al. :yoyo: I need to get out and kill a coyote so mine has something to gnaw on when I get it home. :biggrin:
BMC make some great baying pig dogs.. Wish I had the room.
Thanks for the nice comments. One thing that continues to amaze me about this breed is how they all seem to have a real clear, ringing, chop mouth. All eight of those rascals were raising holy hell yesterday wanting mama to come back in and feed them. Naturally, the one Weedwalker is getting was louder than the rest! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Quote from: possumal on March 07, 2008, 09:00:27 AM
Naturally, the one Weedwalker is getting was louder than the rest! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
That's only because he hasn't figured how to get through the fence .......... yet! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Al: Isn't it normal/traditional to dock the tails on the Black Mouth Curs? :shrug:
when i see that pack behind the wire with looks like that i dont even want to think about the h-----l to come.
Al: Isn't it normal/traditional to dock the tails on the Black Mouth Curs?
Most of the guys who use them for coyote decoy dogs dock their tails, but I don't recall seeing a lot of the guys who post on Foothills Hunting Dogs doing that. Most of them use them for treeing purposes, everything from squirrels to bobcats. I think the idea of doing that for the decoy dog purpose is to make it harder for the coyotes to nip them by the tail. That darned dog Cal Taylor uses is not a Yellow Blackmouth Cur, even though he has trained a bunch of them and likes them, but is called a "Dornbred" named after some government hunter supervisor who started some kind of cross and farmed them out to his agents. His name is Casper, and he is so much quicker than he looks. A coyote can't bite him from behind, as he turns on them and faces them head on. Reminds me of an extra quick cattle dog the way he can spin on a dime.
Quote from: vvarmitr on March 07, 2008, 09:12:51 AM
That's only because he hasn't figured how to get through the fence
VV, He's behind the fence for the saftey of the other pups. :biggrin:
WW: :iroll:
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Just seen this Al, Lookin forward to gettin the pup..I hear from alot of people them Ladners are the best cur dogs around.
JD
The one Weedwalker got has turned the whole training thing around. Ed didn't want to leave him outside as he doesn't have a kennel, and "Max" started off by biting his toe. Then instead of Ed breaking him to go outside to do his business, Max has taught Ed how to act. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: They are seriously smart pups for sure.
Quote from: canine on March 18, 2008, 04:27:23 PM
Just seen this Al, Lookin forward to gettin the pup..I hear from alot of people them Ladners are the best cur dogs around.
JD
:wo: :confused: I reckon they are
as good as any cur around....... :wink: :highclap:
Dunno. :shrug:....That's what I was told, don't know from first hand account and have no reason not to believe what I was told. Luckily, I'll get to see first hand.
JD
Best of luck JD....... :wink:
I'm still having trouble figuring out whether or not to call this one male "Bopeye", after Bopeye's warning about what his eating habits, etc. will likely be with that name. :roflmao: :roflmao: Somehow, he just seems like a Bopeye, built like a tank and a strong disposition.
JD, I think you and Brent will both be pleased with your pups. I know I was. These are some smart pups. Like Al said, I don't have a kennel, and it's still too small to put on a chain, so I have it in the house for now. The 1st day I had it home I was able to train him to "go" on a puppy pad. He hits it every time. Now I just have to get him to go to the door for his buisiness. :eyebrownod:
Ed
I no longer have curs in the house. :rolleye: They'll find who the weak link is & rule over 'em. Also when they want out to do their business .... ZOOM ... they have other business on their minds & the first business can be done on the run. :laf: These dogs want to hunt! They'll love ya to pieces, but when there's a chance to hunt .... ZOOOOOOM! :eyebrownod:
Everyone's got or will have a cur, kinda feeling left out with my lab :nono:
JD, take some pic's of your pup, would love to see it.
Just an update for all interested. Brent came down today and picked up his little female and J.D.'s little male. They are so anxious to bond with you, but damned if they didn't almost lock Brent out of his own truck. They managed to push one of the door locks down, and could have got to the other one if we hadn't moved quick. It would have been downright embarassing to have to call "Popalock" to get into your own truck, locked out by two pups you were going to take home and care for. They are natural tree dogs, so I guess that was their effort at treeing a KeeKee. :roflmao: :roflmao:
P.S. A fellow named Chris Coffman came this morning from Casey County and bought one of the males. So that leaves 1 male to sell, all others spoken for. He is a dandy too.
They were good on the long ride home! Stayed in the seat and slept all the way till I stopped for dinner! Got them home and gave them a bath, played some and now they are sleeping at my feet!
I think I have a new love for sure! This little female is so sweet! I see me and her spending allot of time in the field! And she will make a fine trolling dog!
Al,
Thanks so much for your hospitality! I enjoyed the visit! And we will sure do it again! Your one of a kind! And I thank you much!
I will get some pic's up soon!
Brent
I was reading a new book I got on squirrel dogs today and came across an interesting tidbit. Either most Original Mtn. Cur owners don't know it or don't want to know it.....not sure which. :confused: :huh:
It seems that the founder of the Original Mtn. Cur, Mr. Dewey Ledbetter, use to hunt with Black Mouth curs as far back as 1912. It didn't say whether or not they were Ladner, but it did call them Yellow colored, black mouth curs....... :shck: Just thought it was interesting and that I would share. :wink:
I got the pups out this morning for a couple Hrs. Thought I would share a few pictures. They seem to be pretty smart and pick up fast. I got two coyote hides froze. I layed one out today, I will start working with them in the morning with the hide. I will take a few more pic's then.
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Brent
Very nice pups!
I wish I had room for one.
Semp
Thanks Semp! Man I am so pumped about working with this dog! :biggrin:
JD better hurry up and pick up the male or he might just stay here....lol.... :innocentwhistle:
Brent
Beautiful Pups Brent, thanks for sharing. Them pic's I'm calling double trouble :biggrin:
Great pictures Brent. It pleases me more than I can say that you are wrapped up in them so strong. They want to bond with you something awful, with the only stronger emotion being wanting to hunt. J.D. ain't going to let you pirate that male (lol). That picture of them sleeping is too good. A fellow from Casey County, Chris Coffman, came up after you left and bought one of those really good looking males. He was torn between getting him or that other real good looking female, but he finally settled on the male. That night he called me and said he had worried about not getting that female all day, and wanted to know if I would let him have her. I told him I would be glad to take the male back and give him the female, but he said, "No, I want to buy her too", and he came today and got her. Had his daughter with him and that darned male pup was in the front seat of the truck with them, and there they went out the driveway with both of them. So that leaves the two males, and I guess I'll just keep both of them and train them. My grandson, Josh, has a great place to keep them down in Mercer County and he will help me out a lot with them. He raises Labs now but he is really turned on to yote hunting. Keep me posted on those special little rascals. :highclap: :highclap:
Quote from: keekee on March 22, 2008, 08:30:20 PM
I think I have a new love for sure! This little female is so sweet! I see me and her spending allot of time in the field! And she will make a fine trolling dog!
I know how you feel Brent. These are some great pups and I'm glad I got one too. I'm looking forward to getting him out in the woods. :biggrin:
Ed
Don't forget weedwalker.....4 o'clock and 8 o'clok....... :innocentwhistle: :biggrin: :roflmao:
For those wandering what the hell I'm talkin about..........I'll let Weedwalker explain....LOL... :eyebrow:
JD
Thanks a LOT JD :sneer:
For those of you wonderin', it appears that my pup has some stopped up anal glands. The vet said he needed an anal massage at the 4 o'clock and the 8 o'clock position of the,.... ugh,..well,.... the opening. :puke: The vet said you'll know when your done by the heavy, musky smell that will come out when they open back up. :puke: Being the concerned pet owner that I am, I immediately told my wife where the rubber gloves were and what to do. :eyebrow:
Now that I think about it, this would be a good time for Possumal to step up to the plate for some service after the sale. :biggrin:
Weedwalker Ed: Service after the sale, my prehensile tailed ass! It sounds to me like you have blamed one of those silent, viiolent ones you are so good at on that poor little male pup. :nofgr: on you. Besides, you are more than qualified to do the massage if it is really needed on the pup. Its that same move you make when you get up every morning and head towards the john! :roflmao: :roflmao:
:roflmao: :roflmao: @ ^^^^!!
:roflmao: :roflmao: :eyebrow:
JD
:roflmao:
Alot of times when a pup/dog gets scaret or nervous they'll open up and release on their own.
You cant get that smell off your clothes if it gets on ya :nono:
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: WW :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Don the gloves there Ed. You want that pup to bond to you. :wink:
Looks like you got some great looking pups there!
Well, first off the wife and I are back on speaking terms :innocentwhistle: :biggrin:
And, "Buck" made it home sunday afternoon :yoyo: The kids love him! He sure is a little cutie..Can't wait till he gets big enough to start workin him on coyotes!! I'll try and get a pic posted of him, I'll see if the wife will hold him for me :wo: :eyebrow: :roflmao:
JD
J.D.: He is old enough now to start working him. That is advice from Cal Taylor, Merv Griswold, and Murphy Love. Let them fight a fresh coyote hide about once a week even when they are 6 to 10 weeks old and see if they will trail a drag several times a week. Teach them basic obedience and get them bonded to you (Get those gloves like Vic suggested to Weedwalker Ed), and by the time he is 7 months or so old, you can introduce him to Wiley in the field. Good idea to break them in to gunfire gradually as they are growing up, 22 blanks to start, maybe even a cap pistol, and gradually work up to a higher caliber, all the time associating the sound with something good like romping and playing or getting a reward. Jerry Hunsley showed me a video clip of his great dog, Wiley, when he was working him on his first coyote, and it was fascinating stuff. I have the two males I kept already fighting a coyote hide, and could hardly get the thing away from them. They bit that thing and those sharp little teeth would get hung up in the fur and they'd growl and bark at it. I have no doubt they will both be double D doozies. :biggrin: :yoyo:
Those sound like good pups Al !
Just wanted to share with you guys about an extra nice young guy I just met and sold a pup to. His name is Jason Hudson from Auburn, Ky., and he is a trapper and hunter. He wants the pup to make a squirrel dog, and from what I have seen, all that takes is getting him out into squirrels and shoot a couple around him and it will be a done deal. The male he bought is smart as can be, and has bonded to him already something fierce. What a super nice fellow old "Hud" is, and he heard about my pups on Foothills Hunting Dogs forum. He has invited me down to hunt with him, and I intend to do just that. He told me he had never hunted with a true live marsupial before, but had always wanted to :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:. I guess you can tell I kind of like old Hud. I'll predict right up front that he'll have a super squirrel dog and it won't be long in happening.
Quote from: possumal on April 19, 2008, 10:28:51 PM
He told me he had never hunted with a true live marsupial before, but had always wanted to :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:. I guess you can tell I kind of like old Hud.
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh3: :yahoo: ;yes; That was hilarious!!! Got me to hurting all over again......... :eyebrownod:
Don't ya love it when ya just hit it off with someone...........makes your day....... :congrats:
Yeah Bop, you got that right. I think this fellow has the makings of a taller version of you. He is funny as hell, loves cur pups and dogs, and could be an absolute big old boy as he gets older. He has an eight year old boy who loves that pup, and will be a big factor in training him. Now if I can just get old Hud involved with all us nuts here on FnF, and get him to develop his own version of "BITE Me", I'll be cooking tender possum!! :eyebrow: :laf:
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Best wishes and luck in your endeavors with "Ol' Hud"........ :eyebrownod:
Another me though....... :shck: Step on his neck now before he starts flopping....... :laf:
Awesome pictures and great lookin' dogs. I'm new to this site, but am an avid hunter/fisherman/BMC lover. Just lost my 11 year old female - got her from a guy named Paul Stull in Maryland, but she was definitely Ladner bred - that's all the papers showed in her background was Ladner. We have 4 other dogs - cur/hound crosses, but none with the brains that BMC had.
Thanks for the memories - I am jealous of you guys who got pups! Enjoy! They're the best family member you'll have. Smartest dog I ever had, and what I'll go back to once the herd thins.
Colin
possum - let me know if you breed in the future. Seems like you had good healthy pups with all shots, and care taken for them. All the dogs I've had, the best ones have always been messed with a bunch - even if it's just a kid playing with them every day.
Hi Colin: Thanks for the kind remarks. I agree that they are about the smartest dogs I have had anything to do with. They sure have a lot of grit too. I plan on breeding "Possum Al's Ladner Sue" again if she comes in about the same time next year. A lot of people like pups to be born in spring, but I like them born in late winter like these were. That makes them old enough to mess with a lot the next fall. Old Weedwalker's little male is already up to over 20 lbs., and he is too smart, according to Ed. He brings him his leash and all kinds of cool tricks. Next thing you know Ed will have him opening him a beer and stirring up the chili on the stove (lol). I am real interested to watch the progress of Brent and J.D.'s two pups, as I know they'll get the best chance to be something with those two rascals. Stay in touch with the forum, and any litters I have will be announced on here. Also, I intend to post my personal progress training both the mama and the one male pup I kept. I know that all involved will keep us posted about their pups too.
Ol Dixie is doing well Al! Keeps me on my toes for sure. I cant get over how these dogs bond with there owners. She has a hard head streak for sure though, may just be the pup in her yet.
I been working her every couple days with the coyote hide, she has got now to were she She's me get the hide and she is hell bent to get out of the pin...lol
She has been riding on some ADC jobs with me some, and it dint seem to matter what I got in the traps she is hell bent on getting right in the mix! Got her broke pretty good with shooting over her. Put down allot of ground hogs the last couple weeks and a bunch of coons. Had a big ol bore last week, around 20 plus pounds. After I shot him she drug him around the yard for ever. And as soon as the gun goes off she is all over what ever shoot...lol
Also put her face to face with her first live coyote this week. I kept her on the lead just out of his reach in the trap. I let her play for 30 min or so then put him down for her. She was all over him when he hit the ground!
I will see if I can get some pic's in the next few days.
Brent
Hey Brent: I told you going in that little hussy was the sharpest crayon in the box. She and the male J.D. got were the first of the litter to figure out how to climb out of the temporary pen my soninlaw had setup for mama and the pups. Hell, I had to go to Southern States and buy 24" high chicken wire and install it around the top to keep those two from climbing up and through the bigger sections of the fence my soninlaw used. The rest of the litter was trying to copy what those two varmints did, but I got it fixed too soon for them. The mama , Possum Al"s Ladner Sue, had that stubborn streak but she is more obedient now than the daddy, "L. H. Cronk". You have a big advantage taking her on the trap line and to the field for your other ADC work, as it is bound to speed up her overall development. I'll bet right now that you'll have a full fledged coyote decoy dog on your hands as well as a great tracking dog by this coming fall. From what Mr. Ladner told me, and it was backed up by Cal Taylor, Murphy Love, Merv Griswold, and others, their number one goal in life is to bond with their owner. The only other goal is to hunt. Not a bad combination. I have to travel 35 miles to my grandson's place to get my pup and the mama, which makes it hard to get them out enough. I'll get it done though if I can keep enough gas in my tank. My grandson, Josh, raises and trains chocolate labs, and he is helping a lot with their basic training. My soninlaw already had Sue trained pretty well in basic obedience. My biggest thing with her is getting her out with some coyotes, preferably where there aren't many squirrels. She will climb a tree 7 or 8 feet trying to get a squirrel she put up there, and then walk on her back feet watching him up there and just literally pouring that clear chop mouth. Mr. Ladner would be tickled to see her do that, and would tell her "Speak to 'em" Sue girl, "Speak to them". She has never been trained to do that, but it is as natural as breathing air. I believe the first time a big coyote comes in to the call and sees her or vice versa, the interaction is going to start, as she has plenty of want to and plenty of guts. Be sure to keep us all posted on Dixie and J.D.'s pup.
Wow Brent! Getting your pup into that much game is awesome! :highclap: Dixie is going to be so much further ahead because of it. :biggrin:
That hard headiness could be a learned trait. Musta got it off the wife. :innocentwhistle:
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wow some nice lookin pups and here I am stuck with an ole black Lab who is afraid of the water guess its a good thing for him I dont duck hunt :roflmao:
QuoteThat hard headiness could be a learned trait. Musta got it off the wife.
Yep! That's what I say! :biggrin: But just don't tell her....lol
The ADC work has been good the last couple weeks, lots of Ground Hogs under buildings and houses. I got two diff rent groups of baby's today. 2 in one hole and 4 in another. The were about 6" long or so. I will get a few pic today sometime and post them.
Lots of coon calls coming in now as well. Finished up two jobs today and start two more tomorrow. I even broke down and went and got a snake today! Man I hate snakes! :whew:
I think me and Ole Dixie are going to buds for sure. :biggrin: Wife says I spend more time with the DAMN dog than I do in the house....lol.... :rolleye:
JD's dog Buck is doing well to! Seems to have taking a liking to his new home!
Brent