Guys, I don't know if you've heard yet, but there is a proposition before the CO Wildlife Commission that would BAN prairie dog shooting in the entire State of Colorado, including on private land. On May 1 & 2 there is a meeting in Grand Junction where the COWC will be hearing arguments against the proposal. If this passes in CO, whose State is next?
If you would like to help us fight this, PM me your email address. I will send you our Newsletter and a copy of a form letter to the Commissioners. Our little coalition of concerned hunters is strictly a grassroots effort. We don't have a battery of lawyers helping us like the Animal Rights Activists we are fighting, have behind them. And we don't have the support of any popular predator hunting site, either. We do have a thread running with a lot of useful info, though. http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=52808112&an=0&page=0#52808112
We need all the support we can get to fight the bunny huggers. We want to choke the Commissioners email inbox with hundreds of letters opposing this stupid attempt to legislate a ban on small game hunting.
If you can't show up in person in GJ, then emailing our form letter and putting your name on our petition is the next best thing. But an army of varmint hunters standing in front of the Game Commissioners on May 1st is a show of force that may prove to be our best defense.
Please get involved. I did. As an added incentive, we're offering free BBQ and beer after the May 1st meeting. I hope you will join us to fight the ARA's.
Help us Save Our Sport
(edit to fix the link)
Damn free beer - I wish I wasn't half a continent away :madd: Is theer anything that out of staters can do? Or are the petitions and form letters only useful if done by CO residents?
Steve
Steve, one of Colorado's financial goldmine's is revenue collected from out of State hunters. So far, we have about 30 non-res hunters that have sent in the protest form letter to the Wildlife Commissioners. One lives in Maine and comes to CO every year, just to shoot the Pdogs!
PM or email me your email addy and I will put you on distribution for what we have accomplished so far. Thanks for your interest and concern.
"We need all the support we can get to fight the bunny huggers. We want to choke the Commissioners email inbox with hundreds of letters opposing this stupid attempt to legislate a ban on small game hunting"
"If this passes in CO, whose State is next?"
I agree 100%
NASA,
I clicked your link but all I got was an error message: File Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server.
Some of us here are not members of pm but this is something we, as hunters and sportsmen, all need to be a aware of and concerned about.
Can you possibly post the "useful info" here on FnF as well?
Edit: I will sticky this topic for the time being, so it will not get lost in the shuffle.
Chet
I got "File not found" too. For some reason it won't link to there from here. But it will link from the PM clubhouse thread.
Maybe this one will link to page one....
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=52808112&an=0&page=0#52808112
Anyway, it's under Varmint Hunting over there.
I'll PM you my address Tom.
Brad
Brad,
Thanks... that link worked for me.
I know I'm speaking to the choir here but good folks I feel we all need to get behind this.
Anti-hunting/shooting/firearms groups like to work this way... stealing our rights as sportsmen, a little at a time. :argh: :mad3:
It has to be stopped... Your/my hunting grounds could be their next target. :sad:
Here's what I get. :shrug:
We cannot proceed.
Your account has been banned or locked.
Please use your back button to return to the previous page.
HaMeR you sound surprised :laf:
Get on your knees and click the link again, thats what I did. Let me right in. :laf:
Tom shoot me your info, I'll sign it. :wink:
Not really. :nono:
Jim, Brad, and everybody.......... Just PM me your email and I can get all this info to you ASAP!
I just finished a draft of the counter-top Petition we will be puting in sporting goods stores all over CO. But. time is running out for us. We only have about 21 days left to pull this together.
Jim- Would F&F consider giving this petition its endorsement? We are collecting endorsements to display on the petition as a show of solidarity in the hunting, ranching, farming, and cattle grower community.
(I was given a severe case of warts when I had the audacity to presume another board might support this cause :nono:)
Not a problem Tom, by all means.
Be aware, I doubt I'll be able to go to Colorado and represent myself though.
pm sent
Thank you Jimbo! I'll send you a copy of the final draft so you can see who's company you are keeping. We got the Co Cattleman's Assoc. today. :yoyo:
I also set up an online petition. Let's all get er signed. :yoyo:
Go to Fins and Fur Outdoors.net (http://www.finsandfuroutdoors.net/) and click on Prairie Dog Petition in the menu on the left.
Awesome, you're the best! :highclap: I'll make a major effort to tell everybody where to come to sign the by gawd ON-LINE petition! :bowingsmilie:
I sure don't get treated this well at home. :confused:
Okay......okay.........I signed it....... :doh2: :whew: :biggrin:
Um Jim...is that your left-right or your right-right :eyebrownod:
Steve
It's happening aint it? :huh:
I'm going through ambidextrous-itis in my old age. :sad:
If you signed this petition yesterday, I thank ya kindly. :yoyo:
I also need to ask you to sign it again today. :sad: I was trying to adjust the layout of it, reinstalled the petition thinking the signatures would be saved and :doh2:
Been there! Done that! Hope it helps! :wink:
QuoteBeen there! Done that! Hope it helps! :wink:
Ditto
Boy word is traveling quickly. There's currently 98 signatures and it's been up for 8 hours. :yoyo:
Jim,
We should be seeing even more pretty soon
I made a call to arms on Hunting Nut (Point Blank). You know... the other site I moderate on. :innocentwhistle:
Over 6300 members and a few hundred lurkers will be now be seeing a direct link to FnF and the online petition. :wink:
:shck: :biggrin:
WOW! Talk about a win-win! :eyebrow: I posted the link on every hunting site I belong to.
Jim, I hope you do a back-up of that petition file every night. It would be a disaster if you didn't and it got lost (like the other day). I'll give you a call about how to get a running count of entries and how to dump the file on a CD for print out.
Only 22 days before we go toe-to-toe with the Forest Guardians and their lawyers in Grand Junction.
Save Our Sport
Im not surprised. Trapping by using footholds and snares, other than by specially issued permits through the Game Wardens, got banned there a few years ago..
Quote from: NASA on April 08, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
WOW! Talk about a win-win! :eyebrow: I posted the link on every hunting site I belong to.
Jim, I hope you do a back-up of that petition file every night. It would be a disaster if you didn't and it got lost (like the other day). I'll give you a call about how to get a running count of entries and how to dump the file on a CD for print out.
Only 22 days before we go toe-to-toe with the Forest Guardians and their lawyers in Grand Junction.
Save Our Sport
Actually every page of every site, and every database, on Fins and Fur Hosting is backed up nightly. :eyebrownod: But the time stamp on the latest back-up was too close to the actual time I opened the petition to gain anything at that time. :wink:
I can post the results in a printable format, whenever your ready, give me a shout.
:bowingsmilie: :congrats:
I can vouch for NASA!! He's posted a link to FnF on a couple boards I didn't know he belonged to. Actually I think he just registered so he could post the link!! Aint nuthin wrong with that!! :yoyo:
Sooooo there oughta be a surge in membership here soon!! :eyebrow:
Ah shit :holdon: ...How's may hair look? :huh:
Hair? Not a problem. A quick weave job and you'll be back to your old self. :biggrin:
Brad
Quote from: FinsnFur on April 08, 2008, 05:47:56 PM
Ah shit :holdon: ...How's may hair look? :huh:
Just like any other combover!! :laf: :laf:
Quote from: HaMeR on April 08, 2008, 05:30:42 PM
I can vouch for NASA!! He's posted a link to FnF on a couple boards I didn't know he belonged to. Actually I think he just registered so he could post the link!!
You think so, eh? Go back and check my registration date. :readthis:
:laf: :laf:
432 on there now :yoyo:
:yoyo: Good news. The NRA is on board with us in opposition to the prairie dog hunting ban. http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/
That oughta give you some pull^^^^!! :eyebrow:
That is excellent news and thank you for spreading the news, you're doing an awesome job!
NRAHuntersRights is non profit.
I thought according a certain individual that they were not allowed to get involved. :confused:
As I understand, NRA is non-profit, but NRA/ILA is not. Hunters rights is part of NRA/ILA.
BTW guys, we've topped 1K signatures. :shock2::yahoo: :bowingsmilie: :thumb2::highclap: :congrats: :yoyo:
Yeah she's taking a pounding that for sure :yoyo:
Congrats on the 1K!! You're gonna make a difference for sure!!
Quote from: NASA on April 11, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
As I understand, NRA is non-profit, but NRA/ILA is not. Hunters rights is part of NRA/ILA.
Contributions, gifts or membership dues made or paid to the National Rifle Association of America are not refundable or transferable and are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.From the NRA website. That includes NRA/ILA. Because they are not tax deductible, they CAN get involved.
Semp
Semp, I'm sure you understood what you meant, but I didn't. :confused: Can you restate it in simpler terms? Thanks.
I am a little late here but how can I help? :doh2:
Al, I love your site! Lot's of interesting things to view. Right now, the biggest help you can give us is to post a link on your web site to the F&F petition page. Encourage everyone you know to sign our petition. And don't forget to sign it yourself. (Momma and the kids can sign it too)
Many thanks for your offer to help.
http://www.finsandfuroutdoors.net/index.php?option=com_beamospetition&pet=1&Itemid=47
Done and I sent it to a bunch of folks as well. :wink:
If the pace keeps up Tom, there's gonna be a load of signature on there. :wink:
And every bit of the thanks goes to you, Jim. It would have been impossible without your generous offer to help us. As Hannity so often says, "You're a great American". :highclap:
Just doing what I enjoy doing, pushing these buttons :wink:
Quote from: Semp on April 12, 2008, 05:20:15 AM
Quote from: NASA on April 11, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
As I understand, NRA is non-profit, but NRA/ILA is not. Hunters rights is part of NRA/ILA.
Contributions, gifts or membership dues made or paid to the National Rifle Association of America are not refundable or transferable and are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.
From the NRA website. That includes NRA/ILA. Because they are not tax deductible, they CAN get involved.
Semp
Quote from: NASA on April 13, 2008, 05:18:50 PM
Semp, I'm sure you understood what you meant, but I didn't. :confused: Can you restate it in simpler terms? Thanks.
NASA
Sorry, I just now saw your post.
What I was trying to say is the NRA and NRA/ILA are not tax exempt. Donations to them are not tax deductible. So they are not barred by law from getting involved in political causes. Does that help clarify what I said?
Semp
edited to add: The NRA is a non-profit 501 (c) (4) but donations to them are not tax deductible to the donor. Clear as mud?
Just wondering how well you did today!! :biggrin:
I talked to Tom (NASA) the other night on the phone. Setting him to print the petition out.
He did say he'd report back when he got back in...I'm curious myself.
I'm 2 hrs ahead of him so I just thought I would post here in case he was using the "Notify" feature on this thread. :laf: :laf:
Hope all went well. :wink:
I just heard that the tree huggers were shot down. A victory for prairie dog shooters. I'm sure nasa or someone will be along to fill in the details shortly.
WOOOOHOOOOO
SWEEEETTTTTT!!!!!!!!! :biggrin:
I just got back into town. I couldn't get internet service at the Motel 6 I was at. This is my first post on the results.
It was unanimous. 9-0 defeat. http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/05/01/050208_1b_Wildlife_commission.html
:bowingsmilie: We kicked azzzz!!
The crowd was overflowing. They opened a divider to an ajoining room for the overflow crowd. The State was not expecting that large of a turnout. Traditionally, the anti's have very little opposition at these meetings.
There was between 120-130 people in attendance. About 8-10 were wearing the ARA stickers. The rest were there to defeat the Pdog ban. :highclap:
The "Guardians" had 3 speakers (including their lawyer), who tried their hardest to elicit tears and compassion from a room full of cattle ranchers, sheep ranchers, hunting outfitters and guides, wheat, corn, and alfalfa farmers, trappers, land owners, and a sh!tt load of dedicated (and determined) varmint hunters. Speaking in opposition to the ban were at least 3 representatives from each of the above groups.
The ARA's were totally unprepared for such a show of force. Every one of their lofty "arguments" was repudiated with facts and data. Their contention that the "majority" of citizens of CO support the PD ban was blown out of the water when we presented 3 different stacks of signed petitions, demanding defeat of the ban, amounting to almost 8,000 signatures! They apparently didn't think they needed evidence of their "support", as they had no signatures to present. They were flat on their back!
Three TV station camera crews were there to "capture the drama". Two newspaper reporters were there as well. There were GJ Police posted at every door, and there were at least 10-12 uniformed (and armed) CDOW wardens and officers monitoring the crowd. I don't know what, or who, prompted them to supervise the event with such a display of firepower. Everyone was on their best behavior. The City and CDOW LEO's were visibly supportive of the effort to defeat the ban. Very possibly a few PD shooters behind those badges! :eyebrownod:
This is an excellent example of what we can do! There was no "leader" or "organizer" responsible for the overall effort. The stockmen organized themselves, as did the farmers, hunters, and outfitters. Can you imagine the impact we could have as a unified front? This was a "team" effort, in every sense of the word.
I'm grateful for the support and cooperation in fighting this battle. And it is just 1 battle in the war against any and all who would try to destroy our sport and way of life.
Way to go NASA!!!! Thank You for representing me from over here in Ohio. I was overly pleased to sign that petition & I will do it again in the future. And as with anything else,, numbers do matter!! :congrats: :congrats:
And not to forget this either. :readthis: I think all the weaponry walking around inside of there woulda been one helluva site to behold!! I love firepower!!! :yoyo:
Absolutely beautiful!! :yoyo: :yoyo:
Thanks for the upadate Nasa
Way COOL! :eyebrownod:
:yoyo: :yoyo: That is great!! :highclap: :highclap:
:thumb2: :thumb2: :thumb2:
That's great news! Thanks for the update!
I really screwed up, though. All those cattle and sheep ranchers there and I didn't work the room. I could have networked my way onto about a half dozen ranches to help with coyote and Pdog control. :doh2: I just wasn't thinking. :rolleye:
You were too excited Tom. Kinda like that first date...ya forget to work it a lil. :laf:
QuoteYou were too excited Tom. Kinda like that first date...ya forget to work it a lil.
:roflmao:
Thats awesome, good job all involved !!
AWESOME!!! That is good to hear.