How many have you all seen go up wind to get around ya. I was out filming this morning and on two diffrent stands i had a coyote come from downwind and cross to the upwind to get around me. I was just wonderin if anybody else has bad luck,cause it made it a B%$## to film these coyotes. Needless to say after kicking my camera over and shooting a hedge tree there were no kills. :yoyo:
LOL Steve :eyebrownod: !! Sorry to hear this bud. Down here they always go downwind :biggrin: , trust me LOL
Jeb
Steve, did ya happen to get any pics of the hedge tree? :highclap:
I have seen coyotes circle upwind in territorial and mating situations... when using coyote vocalizations... in the rut/pre-rut phases. Never in the spring/summer months.
Is it possible they were using thermals or did you have a signifigant wind direction? Thermals change everything- with the temp changes I've seen this week it has really turned up the thermals and made animals less predictable. We're a sunny 65-68 in the day and 38-41 at night.
Heres a few frame grabs..
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What kind of camera ya using?....and when's this film gonna....I say when ya gonna be done with this movie?
I shoot a GL2. And im hoping to have it out around febuary or march!!! Got to waite on my montana trip!!
With what I can see and making a fair guess, it followed the cover available. You were trying to force it out in the open if it went down wind. It followed the fencerow and the dip in the terrain to get closer to the sound.It used what cover there was available to it. Jimmie
Jimmie, I think you hit the nail on the head! I never thought about it that way. See you can learn every day.
Jimmy is right. Look at it's posture in the top frame. It is in the open and in the light and it is uncomfortable. It's ears are in a defense mode back and to the sides. In the second frame it is in shade and closer to cover with it's ears in forward focus. If you had left it alone and it couldn't get a visual ID on you, it would have eventually wound up downwind in the open.
Did you skin out the hedge tree you shot or did you leave it lay? :eyebrownod:
Rich, I left the tree laying i figured since i just wounded it , it would get back up! Also them are frames from two difrent stands. The bottom frame,that coyote ended up in my pants just about. Thus me getting excited and shooting the tree! :madd:
And in the top frame this coyote i do recall him acting diffrent,so i just learned alot. I still would of got that coyote killed if i wouldnt of kicked over my camera!
Thanks for the replies.
I got just a few more details to work out for our boards trophy page, and she'll be all set.
Steve, your tree will be the first entry. :highclap:
I just wish you would have gotten a picture of yourself kneeling by it with your rifle. :shrug:
Good pics there Steve !!
Jeb
If i promise to get you a pic will you really let me be first? LOL
Well of course
This seems kinda unfair to me.Why does steve get in first? Ive killed dozens of trees over the years and all of mine were bigger than scroney little twig. :roflmao:
Yep. drilled a tree or two myself... It's simply amazing how fast those darned things can jump into the line of fire.
:roflmao:
fuzz,Do you have pictures of those confirmed tree kills? :roflmao:
Yeah, fuzz do ya?
C'mon we need to get our trophy tree page up. You too Mallard. :biggrin:
Rich has an advantage over the rest of us in the east. He has had the oportunity of seeing not just a few hundred animals come to the call, but a couple of thousand. There are things he knows that have become almost an instinct to him. So much so that he can just look at an area and decide on where to setup.He has spent the time and asked a lot of questions to learn what he has over th years.
I myself haven't learned enough yet on the animals postures. I have to go by what I see and relate it to where I am.Your photo shows things that are familiar to me. Pastures , terrain features and other cover.When you give a coyote the option of going into the open to get down wind or use the cover to get closer, it will use the cover everytime.If you do not give it a way to aproach the sound, it will go to the downwind to check it from a distance. This is just coyote habit, it's what makes them such a thrill to hunt. Most of the time we outsmart ourselves and miss the oportunity to learn more. I am still guilty as hell of this myself.
I guess I should go back and check on that last littel cedar I shot. It took most of the bb's in the pattern and was wounded severely. I should go back and confirmn my kill for the trophy room :innocentwhistle:
I agree jimmie. But the coyote in the first pic ended up in the open on the other side of the fence row. Thats what was wierd. I turned to shoot him in the fence row when he opted to come that way, but he kept going ending up out in the field. EDIT To say : This is when i kicked over my camera.
Heres My trophy Jim. It just a lil one but I did hit him twice with one bullet. The first pic it pinholed the branch. I would of still hit the coyote if it wouldnt of grazed the second limb in the second pic. I walked all the way down there to get this pic. I hope you like it.
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I just got one question and it's no big deal, but why didn't you set up in front of the trees. Maybe I didn't understand the situation. Anyway good filming. :yoyo:
guys i havent got pics of my tree kills.From now on i will.This is a real shame to,because i got one pope and young class white oak with a bow and never took pics. :roflmao:
Fuzz, I got me a white oak once with a bow.
Jerry. I set up to play the wind. And i expected the coyote to come from the dowind. I had a cross wind situation . I have learned that i always watch the down wind side if i could. It was just what i thought was a perfect set up. The coyote came in right were i expected at first and then he crossed from the downwind side of the creek and headed to the upwind side of the creek. Wich was good because he came in close without smelling me but it made it hell to film. I just set up to film where i thought he come out at wich would be the downwind side. I have sence learned that this was a mistake and i hope to not make it anymore. But as far as settin up in front of the trees , i couldnt. I was in front of a bush though,lol.
LOL! :eyebrownod:
Oh I like it Steve, I like it.
This is gonna be good.....now I gotta bet busy. Bopeye put one up too. :wink:
Quote from: stevecriner on September 24, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
Fuzz, I got me a white oak once with a bow.
Jerry. I set up to play the wind. And i expected the coyote to come from the dowind. I had a cross wind situation . I have learned that i always watch the down wind side if i could. It was just what i thought was a perfect set up. The coyote came in right were i expected at first and then he crossed from the downwind side of the creek and headed to the upwind side of the creek. Wich was good because he came in close without smelling me but it made it hell to film. I just set up to film where i thought he come out at wich would be the downwind side. I have sence learned that this was a mistake and i hope to not make it anymore. But as far as settin up in front of the trees , i couldnt. I was in front of a bush though,lol.
You know Steve, It's always easier to pass judgement before knowing the whole situation and that's probably what I did. Sorry, and if someone was to hunt with me , I'm sure they could find somthing tha I did wrong pretty easy. Keep the pictures coming.
It's more a question of what the coyote sees as cover. I believe they use everything in diferent ways. I noticed in the pic the animal was in some sort of depression that ran close to the trees. WHether it was a water way or just a dip in the terrrain doesn't matter. It kept the coyote from skylining itself. I have noticed this habit even when they are traveling inside the woods. Watch them when they travel across open areas, you will begin to notice these small changes, that we don't pay attention to in our own travel habits. We see things at our own eye level and have a diferent perspective. Try looking at things from the coyotes eye level and you will begin to see things much diferently.
Bow shots don't count, the trees heal sooner :biggrin: Jimmie
Jimmie, I called a coyote in this morning that was coming in on a string and moving from south to north east. Heading perfectly downwind like he suposed to . Now this coyote carried him self rather shy you could say. Comitted but not sure and i noticed this. Instead of shooting the coyote at 70 yrds i kept him coming. All of the sudden he droped off in a depression in the field that i have never noticed in 3 yrs. Just deep enough to cover his line and to keep him hid until i seen him top the hill at 200yrds after winding me.. Good trick this coyote played and it saved his self. Now i know about the small depression in the field. And what is better is that this is a spot ive filmed 9 coyotes on one 45 stand, called in 6 coyotes at once, and had several singles and doubles in less than 9 months and now i have a noticeably grey looking coyote with a limp that i can recognize later and he is educated ( maybe). Puts a good spin on things, hunting non virgin coyotes. The last reply you made put another good tool in my pouch and others that are reading. The first thing i always tell folks when im talking coyotes is you can never learn it all, and if you do ?you probably forgot something so you get to learn all over again. Good replies to this post keep em up.
I learned that your shooting sucks as bad as mine Steve....... :roflmao:
A$$#*!!,,Bop, Funny..