Byron South seminar

[bigben]

maybe the misting conflict?  I know rich agrees with the misting asspect of calling and the seminar that byron put on at the cabelas in hamburg pa he did not come out and say misting was wrong but he did not agree with it.  and quoted the senosory overload from rich saying that a coyote smells things better then most critters and that it would not matter but a few seconds to get a shot off.  he definately knows how to sell himself and a product(foxpro).  he is a very good speaker and does not stammer or skip a beat.  while I consider rich higgins a good coyote caller I do not do the misting.  I allready carry enough crap with me.  not saying it doesn't work but right now we still have fox and I am having just as much fun callin a red or a grey fox then coyotes.  I have allready seen the decline in the reds in three years of calling and 10 years of trapping.  they just will not be around I am afraid in a few years. 

[possumal]

Rich:  I don't know Byron South even though he is on the Foxpro Field Staff as I am. I am totally unfamiliar with the references made in various posts on this thread as to why the majority of people on this forum do not like him. I am not defending him in any way, but I would be interested like some of the other posters what this heated conflict was all about. I have seen his videos, including the "Callin' in the Thick Stuff", and I was never in doubt that he was talking about East Texas. He might have been wiser if he had used words like "Here in East Texas" instead of "Here in the East" when he was making comparisons to set ups there that might help someone setting up in similar terrain, but he stated early in the video that he was raised in areas like that. I interpreted the video to be instructional about setups in that kind of terrain.  Like Brent mentioned in an earlier post, East Texas is not the East that we are familiar with, but it is a lot different than some of the wide open country in states like S. Dakota, N. Dakota, and Wyoming.  Byron is a walking, talking commercial true enough. Your input would be appreciated about this conflict.

[canine]

Hey Rich, How the hell are ya?

I'm sorry to hear about your experience at the show. I can only assume, it took great self discipline to not use some of that funky martial arts tycwando shit on his ass

Part of the past on this subject fellas, is Byron's performances outside of his normal hunting grounds. Basically falling on his face in several states. Along with some deceitful actions on his part, to so called friends. I got to spend some time with Byron a couple years ago in Arizona, for the most part he is a fun guy to hang around with and listen to some wild stories. A little on the arrogant side but fun none the less.

I truly feel that anyone could be successful on locked gate ranches in Texas. I'd love to have the opportunity to hunt one sometime for target practice.

Frogman, Persistance will pay off, study these critters as much as time allows you and learn from others and your mistakes. Just remember, you must first beat there ears, then there eyes and shoot them before they get a chance to use there nose. 


JD

JD

[THO Game Calls]

Browning204

That quote was from the NH Fish and Game Web Site.  It was based on state records.  Not on conjecture from some granola munching biologist who doesn't even own a pair of boots.  I found it funny that the biologist you spoke to didn't even know what was on their own web site.

Possum Al

I am totally unfamiliar with the references made in various posts on this thread as to why the majority of people on this forum do not like him.

Go read it all on Huntmasters if you want.  It all blew up about a year and half ago.

But the real reason "as to why the majority of people on this forum do not like him" can be summed up like this

BS PM  and  PM BS 

the two seem to go hand in hand eh?


Mr. Higgin's.

You were just dripping with sweatness in your post.  I think it was about a year and a half ago that there was some talk of a law suit?   Things sure have mellowed out since then.   My hats off to you.   I don't know how you do it.   I may live in the east, but even I know not to turn my back on a rattle snake.

Al

[Rich Higgins]

JD, JD,   Tyler says "What the Hey, some of your best friends are assholes."
Ben, misting or any difference in opinion has nothing to do with our "conflict".  I'm used to my friends and other callers disagreeing with some of my "off the wall" theories.
Possom Al. send me your phone # please. Richaz1221@aol.com

[bigben]

well I am kinda a humble guy.  so we will just leave it at that.  looking forward to the upcomin vid rich.

[Rich Higgins]

Hey Al, I don't get to see much of you anymore. Byron has left me alone on the boards as I have him. Behind the scenes he has been very vocal about his displeasure with me and I have tried to be objective rather than "dripping with sweetness". I lost a couple of friends during that very negative time and I will not continue to drag the old crap around. Especially when so much new crap is available.

I will be seeing Byron and the FoxPro crew at the Shot Show on the first and again at the OPHA Banquet the next weekend and again at the PM Hunt the third weekend. I see no reason they can't behave in a professional manner when representing the company.
Still..... Big Ben, got my back?

[browning204]

Maybe we should stop talking about Byron before he turns us in to someone for something, I hear he is REAL good at that.

[bigben]

sorry I allready have something planned for that weekend. 

[keekee]

Rich,

Good to see you on the board my friend!

JD, JD,   Tyler says "What the Hey, some of your best friends are assholes."

Ha, Ha! You tell Tyler he got that right!


I think we all lost a few friends in all that mess. I know I did as well. But the way I look at it is they must not of been very good friends then!


Jimmie,

Brent, wouldn't you say that what you saw out there confirmed what you were thinking about eastern coyote's movements?

One of the things you and I both have told newbies is to pay attention to the coyote they see in the video and how and where it moves across the ground. I know that without all the darned trees it is hard to comprehend what they are seeing, but the travel habits are the same. Jimmie

Travel habits are close to the same. The terrain is different so that changes the way the Coyotes work to the call. But you can learn allot about there body language for sure. And how they approach a call by being able to see the coyote approach from a long ways off.

We also filmed and hunted "The Thick Stuff" allot while we were there with shotguns. We called two times as many Coyotes out of the thicker cover by getting right down in there with them, than we did calling them out into open areas. We were not hunting locked gates, we had to hunt areas that got pounded by all the local hunters and hunting clubs. We just took our Eastern tactic's and used them in there tick cover.

And then we found several Texas Coyotes in AZ that would run full blast across a open area for a mile and circle the caller a couple times before the shot gun shooter setting behind a clump of grass in the middle of open desert would drop the Coyotes at 15 yards. But for the most part, the coyotes worked just like they do here or any were else we hunted. And some just go strait for the wind! There were not very many TX Coyotes in AZ though! Not were we were!


Brent

[possumal]

There were not very many TX Coyotes in AZ though!  :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[FinsnFur]

...Byron informed me that I was not his friend, he did not want me to bother him, to stay away from his seminar. His face was beet red, a vein was throbbing in his forehead and he was spitting all over me as he shouted at me. The other exhibitors were standing and staring with shocked looks on their faces.
....I had to wander down to see what Byron wanted to keep me from.  I  sat down in the center chair three rows back from Byron

ROFLMAO!!  :roflmao: 

That's good stuff
Gimme a sec here, I got something in my eye 

[CCP]

 After reading page after page on coyote populations and  density my head started hurting

I decided to look at it in a different way than just the same ole debate. After doing lots of research I came across something that has been over looked. 

In the early history of the east there were many pirates and the coyote population was low at best. As the pirate population got smaller the coyote population got bigger. This continued up untill the year 2000 as the chart below will verify.




Now since the Disney movie pirates of the Caribbean there have been a lot more pirates  moving to the east. I think as more sequels  come out there will be even more pirates moving here. I have not found a chart with any new studies since the movie came out. From reading the post it does appear the eastern coyote population may be on a decline.





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Sorry guys. just to much info to reply to in a post.  :roflmao:

[FinsnFur]

No more smokin pot before you post.  :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Silencer]

I'm takin the boys coyote huntin in the morning, so are you suggesting we shoot any pirate we see  ?  COOL BEANS    Or, did the coyote take care of them on their own ??

   We may get into trouble, looks like pirates are near extinction !!!!!!!!!

[possumal]

CCP: As John Wayne might put it, "Monsieur CCP, you are a lulu"!  :roflmao: :roflmao:

[HaMeR]

   Pirates went out in Ohio last week!!!!!  DAMMIT I say!!!!

[Jimmie in Ky]

CCP, Your full of it  Jimmie

[KySongDog]

ARGHHH! Matey!!  Shiver me timbers me is parts pirate! So thats why me no see kyoties.  ARGHHH!!

[Dan Carey]

Very interesting.............