First U.S. marijuana cafe opens for business in Portland
Tom Johansmeyer
Nov 15th 2009 at 10:15AMText SizeAAAFiled under: Healthcare
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Cancel your flight to Amsterdam â€" the U.S. just got its first marijuana cafe on Friday. Located in Portland, Ore., the Cannabis Cafe shows how attitudes have changed since the Obama administration moved into the White House. A month ago, President Barack Obama told federal attorneys to ease off medical marijuana prosecutions.
The widening use of medicinal marijuana has forced governments into a tenuous legal balancing act, according to a Reuters report. Some states passed legislation to allow it, starting with California in 1996. Nonetheless, a federal ban remains in place. The operation of businesses like the Cannabis Cafe, as well as marijuana establishments in California, has been possible as long as federal authorities have chosen not to pursue them. Unlike the shops in California, though, the Portland establishment is the first in the U.S. where certified medical marijuana users can both acquire and consume their marijuana, as long as they stay out of public view.
Madeline Martinez, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws in Oregon, says that the Cannabis Club "represents personal freedom, finally, for our members." NORML supports legislation to legalize marijuana.
"Our plans go beyond serving food and marijuana," Martinez continues. "We hope to have classes, seminars, even a Cannabis Community College, based here to help people learn about growing and other uses for cannabis."
The Food is For Sale, but the Pot is Free
The Cannabis Cafe's new home is a two-story building with an interesting past. Once upon a time, it was occupied by a speakeasy, and later, an adult entertainment club called Rumpspankers. The Cannabis Cafe is a private club, but any Oregon resident who is a member of NORML and has an official medical marijuana card can gain entry.
Members pay $25 a month for use of the cafe, which has a capacity of 100. The product offered is not sold. Rather, it's provided free over the counter from the "budtenders" employed by the establishment. Food, of course, is available for purchase, but the club doesn't have a liquor license. (Why bother?)
The potential market for the Cannabis Cafe is small, but likely committed. Approximately 21,000 patients are registered to use medical marijuana in Oregon, with doctors prescribing the drug for a wide range of illnesses, among them Alzheimer's, diabetes, multiple sclerosis and Tourette's syndrome.
Eric Solomon, the proprietor, says he still just runs a coffee shop and events venue, as he did before he converted it to the current format, but he says, "now it will be cannabis-themed." Film festivals and dances are expected for the second floor ballroom, not to mentioned marijuana-themed weddings.
Neighboring businesses have mixed feelings about the new cafe, but they are hopeful that it will benefit them, too. David Bell, who works at a nearby boutique, is "withholding judgment." He notes, "There's no precedent for it. We don't know what to expect. But it would great if it brought some customers into our store."
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:rolleye: Thats a bit ridiculous in my opinion. But then again I've never tried the crap either.
Are legalized crack houses next? :rolleye:
LOL, i knew itd get ya'll goin. :wink: :biggrin:
i still dont understand how state law can superceed federal law. with the medical marijuana angle,imo, thats what thyere doing.
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 16, 2009, 05:53:35 AM
:rolleye: Thats a bit ridiculous in my opinion. But then again I've never tried the crap either.
Then calling it ridiculous is out of line in my opinion and a bit ridiculous :confused:.
Quote from: Semp on November 16, 2009, 06:07:32 AM
Are legalized crack houses next? :rolleye:
Could you explain to me how one would follow the other kind sir. :shrug:
If a natural remedy for pain exists and large pharmaceutical company's don't get a cut, it is bad, I don't think so. :innocentwhistle: In my under rated opinion booze is much more of a problem drug than pot :readthis:. [But then what do I know] :wo:
i personally think the effects of booze are way more potentially horrid than the effects of weed.
i still dont understand how the states can legally run these type of places.
its like an up yours to the fed govt, isnt it?
if weed deaden the pain of some people who need it i dont see the problem.(damn but my back hurts, :wink: :roflmao:)
if the govt would just legalize it and tax the heck out fo it like cigs, i bet wed get the national debt paid off in no time.
i also think they sjhould tax the heck out of alcohol.................why is one substance with the same or worse effects than the other legal while its counterpart,imo, is illegal?
Quoteits like an up yours to the fed govt, isnt it?
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Quote from: pitw on November 16, 2009, 07:16:31 AM
Quote from: Semp on November 16, 2009, 06:07:32 AM
Are legalized crack houses next? :rolleye:
Could you explain to me how one would follow the other kind sir. :shrug:
If a natural remedy for pain exists and large pharmaceutical company's don't get a cut, it is bad, I don't think so. :innocentwhistle: In my under rated opinion booze is much more of a problem drug than pot :readthis:. [But then what do I know] :wo:
I did not say one would follow the other, did I? :nono: It seems you might be a little thin skinned when it come to wacky tabacky, eh? :eyebrownod:
But since you want to pursue the subject, what drugs do you think are safe for the general population to use? :wo: Marijauna, it seems, is OK in your view. What about cocaine? They used to put it in Coca-Cola, I think. What about crystal meth? I know several people who use it and they seem to get by just fine. How about LSD, PCP, heroin, and Oxycontin? Not too harmful if used in moderation, right? So what say you kind sir?
I drink coke by the truck load :doh2:. Nothing is good when taken in extremes. I was a total alcoholic until the age of 28 so have a terrible hate on for that stuff as well. Never tried anything harder than Mary Jane except once when a fellow put LSD in my beer[He never did that to anyone again that I know of]. Most drugs over the counter and handed out by doctors are as bad if not worse than the ones you mentioned. I do happen to enjoy pot on occasion just like some like a taste of alcohol so if one is like poison should I be deprived of all? I took your statement to mean that you thought one would progress to the next and am sorry for my assumption.
Besides all this nonsense it's easier to grow than getting blown up brewing. :biggrin:
ive seen alot of drunks and alot of stoners in my day and the drunks are way worse. put a room full of stoners in a room and a room full of drunks in a room and see who is more viliante, stoners sit back n smile while the drunks get mouthy and fight
i like to smile :wink: :biggrin:
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Oh brother get a room you two :rolleye:
Al, are you seeing this? :huh:
Al has nothin to worry about :eyebrow: :wink: :roflmao:
now Jim dont you like to smile?
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I dont smile........I am married........... :roflmao: :roflmao:
smartass, :roflmao:
keep up comments like that and ya wont be for long, lol :doh2:
I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........
I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........
I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........ I dont smile...I am married........:biggrin:
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maybe itd be worth it cause ya are sure cheesin after that post,LOL!
Call it pot, grass, weed, or any one of nearly 200 other names, marijuana is, by far, the world’s most commonly used illicit drugâ€"and far more dangerous than most users realize. So, there is just cause for alarm when adolescent marijuana use increases, as it did in the mid-1990’s, and the age at which youngsters first experiment with pot starts to drops.
Marijuana has been around for a long while. Its source, the hemp plant (cannabis sativa), was being cultivated for psychoactive properties more than 2,000 years ago. Although cannabis contains at least 400 different chemicals, its main mind-altering ingredient is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol).The amount of THC in marijuana determines the drug’s strength, and THC levels are affected by a great many factors, including plant type, weather, soil, and time of harvest. Sophisticated cannabis cultivation of today produces high levels of THC and marijuana that is far more potent than pot of the past. THC content of marijuana, which averaged less than 1 percent in 1974, rose to an average 4 percent by 1994.
For the highly popular form of marijuana called Sinsemilla (from the Spanish "without seeds"), made from just the buds and flowering tops of female plants, THC content averages 7.5 percent and ranges as high as 24 percent. As for hashish, a resin made from flowers of the female plant, THC levels may be five to ten times higher than crude marijuana’s.
How is it Used?
Marijuana and other cannabis products are usually smoked, sometimes in a pipe or water pipe, but most often in loosely rolled cigarettes known as "joints." Some users will slice open and hollow out cigars, replacing the tobacco with marijuana, to make what are called "blunts." Joints and blunts may be laced with other substances, including crack cocaine and the potent hallucinogen phencyclidine (PCP), substantially altering effects of the drug.
Smoking, however, is not the sole route of administration. Marijuana can be brewed into tea or mixed in baked products (cookies or brownies).
How Does it Affect You?
A mild hallucinogen, marijuana has some of alcohol’s depressant and disinhibiting properties. User reaction, however, is heavily influenced by expectations and past experience, and many first-time users feel nothing at all.
Effects of smoking are generally felt within a few minutes and peak in 10 to 30 minutes. They include dry mouth and throat, increased heart rate, impaired coordination and balance, delayed reaction time, and diminished short-term memory. Moderate doses tend to induce a sense of well-being and a dreamy state of relaxation that encourages fantasies, renders some users highly suggestible, and distorts perception (making it dangerous to operate machinery, drive a car or boat, or ride a bicycle). Stronger doses prompt more intense and often disturbing reactions including paranoia and hallucinations.
Most of marijuana’s short-term effects wear off within two or three hours. The drug itself, however, tends to linger on. THC is a fat-soluble substance and will accumulate in fatty tissues in the liver, lungs, testes, and other organs. Two days after smoking marijuana, one-quarter of the THC content may still be retained. It will show up in urine tests three days after use, and traces may be picked up by sensitive blood tests two to four weeks later.
The Impact on the Mind
Marijuana use reduces learning ability. Research has been piling up of late demonstrating clearly that marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information. A 1995 study of college students discovered that the inability of heavy marijuana users to focus, sustain attention, and organize data persists for as long as 24 hours after their last use of the drug. Earlier research, comparing cognitive abilities of adult marijuana users with non-using adults, found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills. Although it has yet to be proven conclusively that heavy marijuana use can cause irreversible loss of intellectual capacity, animal studies have shown marijuana-induced structural damage to portions of the brain essential to memory and learning.
The Impact on the Body
Chronic marijuana smokers are prey to chest colds, bronchitis, emphysema, and bronchial asthma. Persistent use will damage lungs and airways and raise the risk of cancer. There is just as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals from smoking one marijuana joint as smoking five tobacco cigarettes. And there is evidence that marijuana may limit the ability of the immune system to fight infection and disease.
Marijuana also affects hormones. Regular use can delay the onset of puberty in young men and reduce sperm production. For women, regular use may disrupt normal monthly menstrual cycles and inhibit ovulation. When pregnant women use marijuana, they run the risk of having smaller babies with lower birth weights, who are more likely than other babies to develop health problems. Some studies have also found indications of developmental delays in children exposed to marijuana before birth.
Marijuana as Medicine
Although U.S. law classifies marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance (which means it has no acceptable medical use), a number of patients claim that smoking pot has helped them deal with pain or relieved the symptoms of glaucoma, the loss of appetite that accompanies AIDS, or nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy. There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research.
Teens and Marijuana
Although dangers exist for marijuana users of all ages, risk is greatest for the young. For them, the impact of marijuana on learning is critical, and pot often proves pivotal in the failure to master vital interpersonal coping skills or make appropriate life-style choices. Thus, marijuana can inhibit maturity.
Another concern is marijuana’s role as a "gateway drug," which makes subsequent use of more potent and disabling substances more likely. The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their nonâ€"pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine.
But many teens encounter serious trouble well short of the "gateway." Marijuana is, by itself, a high-risk substance for adolescents. More than adults, they are likely to be victims of automobile accidents caused by marijuana’s impact on judgment and perception. Casual sex, prompted by compromised judgment or marijuana’s disinhibiting effects, leaves them vulnerable not only to unwanted pregnancy but also to sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).
Marijuana Dangers
Impaired perception
Diminished short-term memory
Loss of concentration and coordination
Impaired judgement
Increased risk of accidents
Loss of motivation
Diminished inhibitions
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
Hallucinations
Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
Increased risk of cancer
Psychological dependency
nasty do u drink or smoke cigs? post the side effects on them. :wink: o by the way i know a few surgical doctors that have been known to partake,maybe if they would not have smoked they could have been president :hahaha:
DID YOU KNOW? What health problems are caused by smoking?
Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body and diminishes a person’s overall health. Smoking is a leading cause of cancer and of death from cancer. It causes cancers of the lung, esophagus, larynx (voice box), mouth, throat, kidney, bladder, pancreas, stomach, and cervix, as well as acute myeloid leukemia (1).
Smoking also causes heart disease, stroke, lung disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema), hip fractures, and cataracts. Smokers are at higher risk of developing pneumonia and other airway infections (1).
A pregnant smoker is at higher risk of having her baby born too early and with an abnormally low weight. A woman who smokes during or after pregnancy increases her infant’s risk of death from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) (1).
Millions of Americans have health problems caused by smoking. Cigarette smoking and exposure to tobacco smoke cause an estimated average of 438,000 premature deaths each year in the United States. Of these premature deaths, about 40 percent are from cancer, 35 percent are from heart disease and stroke, and 25 percent are from lung disease (2). Smoking is the leading cause of premature, preventable death in this country.
Regardless of their age, smokers can substantially reduce their risk of disease, including cancer, by quitting.
Does tobacco smoke contain harmful chemicals?
Yes. Tobacco smoke contains chemicals that are harmful to both smokers and nonsmokers. Breathing even a little tobacco smoke can be harmful (1, 3). Of the 4,000 chemicals in tobacco smoke, at least 250 are known to be harmful (4, 5). The toxic chemicals found in smoke include hydrogen cyanide (used in chemical weapons), carbon monoxide (found in car exhaust), formaldehyde (used as an embalming fluid), ammonia (used in household cleaners), and toluene (found in paint thinners).
Of the 250 known harmful chemicals in tobacco smoke, more than 50 have been found to cause cancer. These chemicals include (4, 5):
arsenic (a heavy metal toxin)
benzene (a chemical found in gasoline)
beryllium (a toxic metal)
cadmium (a metal used in batteries)
chromium (a metallic element)
ethylene oxide (a chemical used to sterilize medical devices)
nickel (a metallic element)
polonium-210 (a chemical element that gives off radiation)
vinyl chloride (a toxic substance used in plastics manufacture)
**Cigarettes butts are the most littered item in The United States and the world.
**Over two billion cigarette butts get tossed everyday. That’s an average of two cigarette butts daily from each of earth's 1.2 billion smokers.
**It is estimated that Americans toss more than 175 million pounds of cigarette butts out every year. These butts are frequently cast onto the sidewalk and streets and then pushed into storm drains that flow to streams, rivers, bays, lagoons and ultimately the ocean.
**At beach cleanups, cigarettes butts are the most common form of trash found (typically accounting for one in every five items collected).
**The cigarette filter was designed to trap the toxic chemicals in the cigarette smoke from entering the smoker's body. When submerged in water, the toxic chemicals trapped in the filter leak out into aquatic ecosystems, threatening the quality of the water and many forms of aquatic life.
**Cigarette butts may seem small, but with an estimated 4.5 trillion butts (worldwide) littered every year, the toxic chemicals add up!
**Over 99% of cigarettes are now smoked outside.
**Eighteen percent of all litter dropped to the ground is washed into streams, rivers, lakes and the ocean by storm water runoff. Cigarette butts, are little and lightweight and are the first to get carried away into our waterways
**Studies indicate that since we have enacted indoor smoking bans, more cigarette butts are being tossed directly into the environment. Unfortunately, this means that ecosystems have a higher chance of being affected by cigarette butts. Biologists have found butts in the stomachs of young birds, sea turtles and other marine creatures.
**Cigarette butts can cause other environmental problems, such as fires. For example, a cigarette butt was the possible cause of an 11,000 acre fire in San Diego in January 2001.
**Smokers incorrectly believe that cigarette filters are made of biodegradable cotton. In fact, cigarette filters are made of plastic cellulose acetate, and can take 15 years to decompose.
Ultimately, the Surfrider Foundation is calling for better enforcement of laws against cigarette butt littering; additional taxes on tobacco products specifically earmarked for clean-up efforts; more effort on the part of tobacco companies to improve the biodegradability of filters, reduce packaging waste and educate consumers about the impacts of tobacco waste on the environment; and more local involvement from governments and businesses to reduce cigarette littering by supplying ashtrays and other "disposal mechanisms" at building entrances
Unfortunatley, tobacco, alcohol, and drugs are harmful in many ways. The bottom line is marijuana is illegal, the others aren't. I don't do any of them btw.
Is it just me, or are the intellectually dibilitating effects of marijuana use "self evident"? :confused:
Quote from: NASA on November 17, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
Is it just me, or are the intellectually dibilitating effects of marijuana use "self evident"? :confused:
No I see it all the time :biggrin:
But no more so than say living in a country that has major propaganda agenda's. Like say you die for the country and you will be invited into the next world by virgins :laf:.
FYI : I dont do drugs! Being Married is what has ruined my life....... :biggrin:
So you see a parallel between a dope induced stupor, and a stupid dope seduced by a promise of 72 virgins when he dies killing "infidels"? :laf:
Are you proposing that the same thought processes (or lack thereof) are the common denominator?
Quote from: NASA on November 17, 2009, 11:26:18 AM
Are you proposing that the same thought processes (or lack thereof) are the common denominator?
Certainly not :doh2:. I'm saying that are minds are changed by many inputs that include pollution, food, experience and a whole host of things.
I made the choice after seeing as much of the world as I wanted, to live in one of the cleanest places on the planet with an abundance of the things I love to do[mentally debilitating effects or not], so I feel it is my call on what I do. I don't sell, push or try to change peoples minds on what I do but I do what I do.
Little story for you. I once had a customer[10 years my senior and a heavy drinker] that I did 10,000 acres a year for. I did this for 5 years and then he found out I did pot and said I would never work for him again[Oh well]. Two years he had someone else do it. One killed a 1/4 section of crop and the other didn't kill much of anything. 2 years ago he drove out to see me and asked if I'd come back and I have done his work since at an increased rate. What he learned was that not all he believed in was right and that I stood behind my way of doing things.
There is one other thing I don't do and not because it's illegal and that is speed[like in a car].
cigs and alcohol are legal because rich white collar people partake in them and they make tobacco and cigarette companies alot of money by doing so.alcohol and cigs are portrayed to be glamorous and those who partake of them are cpnsidered glamourous in alot of setting.
go out to an upscale restaraunt and see who beltin back the nmartinins and scotch or visit Congress and id bet 90% of the people who represent us make laws over cigs and a brandy..
weed is illegal because the stigma of it is thats its used by so called white trash and poor blacks and only makes monay for what people consider, the underclass. backwoods boys and the guys in the ghetto.
its all a buncha BS..its funny how people smoke cigs and drink their beer but judge someone who smokes a joint.
i am not advocating anyone going out and breaking the law by smoking a joint but if they do, i aint gonna set back on my soapbox and drink a case a beer and smoke a pack of cigs and talk trash about their chosen drug when alcohol and nicotine are just as bad and addicting as weed.
just my .02.
if weed was portrayed as glamorous the way cigs and alcohol are , itd be legal and the ones who are secretly smoking it now and talking trash about those who admit smoking it,would openly toke instead of being the hypocrites they are,lol.
i will readily admit i have smoked weed in the past and i have drank and i would have been a whole lot more dangerous drunk than high,both on the road and at home.i discovered i was mean when i drank and mellow when i smoked.
not saying it effects everyone that way but its how it effected me. thanks God i had sense enough to stay at home. it took me about 3 times to learn that alcohol was not for me.
also the idea that weed is a"gateway" drug is a farce far as im concerned because i smoked alot of pot in my college days,and i mean alot, and i never ever had any desire to try any other drug.
if the govt would legalize weed and tax ,like they do cigs,it theyd get us out of debt a lot sooner than they woudl otherwise.
yes it is illegal and so is drunk driving
Quotecigs and alcohol are legal because rich white collar people partake in them
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I know soooo many people that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of & by God come hell or high water they will have their smokes & Bud Light regardless. So don't give anybody any shit with that line as it's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. The fact is that poor smokers & drinkers,, black white red orange or green,, will find a way to support their vices AND buy pot while the "rich white collar people" will do the same but only AFTER caring for their Families. So the rich VS poverty argument is a crock of shit.
Quote from: HaMeR on November 17, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
I know soooo many people that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of & by God come hell or high water they will have their smokes & Bud Light regardless. So don't give anybody any shit with that line as it's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. The fact is that poor smokers & drinkers,, black white red orange or green,, will find a way to support their vices AND buy pot while the "rich white collar people" will do the same but only AFTER caring for their Families. So the rich VS poverty argument is a crock of shit.
I agree with the whole statement you just made. It doesn't matter what the color or placement in society to me. The simple fact of do what you want and can live with works. I smoke but not in my house or car[when the family is with]. I smoke the other stuff never at home or near my family.
Name calling is not much of an argument either for that matter. :readthis:
A good discussion never hurt anyone and even I have changed some of my thinking thanks to the folk here. Just because it is what we were taught or brought up with doesn't make something right or wrong.
My biggest problem with the legalization of pot are that there is no test available ( Iam aware of) that can tell if you are under the influence at the time. Here in lies the problem.
If someone comes to work drunk I can smell it or suspect it I have them tested (breathalyzer ,Blood test)then address the issue. In a pot legal world if I suspected them of being high and they were tested and it was positive it would be as easy as saying “I smoked pot 2 days ago and I am not high nowâ€. So where is my recourse for proving they are high on the job?
Same situation but that employee is a Cop ,a Doctor, a fireman. Would you want to be pulled over by a stoned Cop? Or one of your kids being operated on by a stoned Doctor? What test do they have to prove they are under the influence at that given time?
Most of us have worked with co-workers that say “ I work better stoned†How many of them would want the Doctor that say’s “I work better stoned doing their heart surgery?
Every new employee that comes to work I give them the same speech “I don’t care what you do off the clock it is your businessâ€. With that said if you come to work stoned or do drugs at work I will be the first person to take you to the office and give you your last check. I like to drink I go all day at work without drinking sometimes weeks or months without drinking. A lot of pot heads I know can’t do that.
Most alcoholics’ I know make it through a whole 8 hr work day without a drink most pot heads I have known have to have a hit or two on the way to work or at one of their work breaks.
Very valid points CCP. I have fired workers for drinking[my rigs my rules] and have yet to have an employee who does pot. I don't want the dang stuff legalized at all cause I think the only reason I do it is to break the law or at least feel like a bad person. Most laws are there for a reason I will agree but not all work for me :doh2:.
The original post was about a coffee house and legal pot for people in pain. Anyone here think that these people shouldn't be allowed to be free of some of their misery. :readthis:
Barry ur a bad guy in the laws eyes but in my book ur OK :yoyo:
Quote from: HaMeR on November 17, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Quotecigs and alcohol are legal because rich white collar people partake in them
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I know soooo many people that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of & by God come hell or high water they will have their smokes & Bud Light regardless. So don't give anybody any shit with that line as it's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. The fact is that poor smokers & drinkers,, black white red orange or green,, will find a way to support their vices AND buy pot while the "rich white collar people" will do the same but only AFTER caring for their Families. So the rich VS poverty argument is a crock of shit.
just because you dont agree with my opinion doesnt make it a crock of shit anymore than yours is if i dont agree with you. :iroll:
you seem to be takin this whole debate a little personal....are you out of cigs, beer, or weed? :wink: :biggrin:
chill out. the whole thread was posted to get people debating, not to give anyone a stroke.
its just a thread.relax. it was never meant to offend your sensabilities.
Trust me. I'm not offended. There aren't too many people that can offend me. Including you. :nono:
I guess you could say I'm tired of the whole "rich white folks gotsta pay for their successes sos I kin have mine too" mentality. That comment is the exact same one used by the no good SOB that is in office right now. He was elected because he promised the lazy class of society he would take from the rich & give to the poor. Kinda defeats the purpose of a man to be successful in this day & age dontcha think? :shrug:
BTW-- Apology accepted. :eyebrownod:
:wo: Being politically correct means having to say I'm sorry. :nono: Not me!! I aint. I'm not. And I'll never be. :biggrin:
CCP said it best.
Quote from: golfertrout on November 17, 2009, 08:09:00 AM
nasty do u drink or smoke cigs? post the side effects on them. :wink: o by the way i know a few surgical doctors that have been known to partake,maybe if they would not have smoked they could have been president :hahaha:
Not that its relevant to the information I posted but I have maybe 2-3 drinks a year and have never smoked. I wasnt passing judgement just posting information, personally I could give a hoot about what anyone does as long as it doesnt bother me :wink:....paranoid?.... :biggrin:
Quote from: CCP on November 17, 2009, 05:13:24 PM
My biggest problem with the legalization of pot are that there is no test available ( Iam aware of) that can tell if you are under the influence at the time. Here in lies the problem.
If someone comes to work drunk I can smell it or suspect it I have them tested (breathalyzer ,Blood test)then address the issue. In a pot legal world if I suspected them of being high and they were tested and it was positive it would be as easy as saying “I smoked pot 2 days ago and I am not high nowâ€. So where is my recourse for proving they are high on the job?
Same situation but that employee is a Cop ,a Doctor, a fireman. Would you want to be pulled over by a stoned Cop? Or one of your kids being operated on by a stoned Doctor? What test do they have to prove they are under the influence at that given time?
Most of us have worked with co-workers that say “ I work better stoned†How many of them would want the Doctor that say’s “I work better stoned doing their heart surgery?
Every new employee that comes to work I give them the same speech “I don’t care what you do off the clock it is your businessâ€. With that said if you come to work stoned or do drugs at work I will be the first person to take you to the office and give you your last check. I like to drink I go all day at work without drinking sometimes weeks or months without drinking. A lot of pot heads I know can’t do that.
Most alcoholics’ I know make it through a whole 8 hr work day without a drink most pot heads I have known have to have a hit or two on the way to work or at one of their work breaks.
Its easy to test now, I used to give interviewees a saliva based drug test with instant results, no peeing in the cup involved, and then a psych test which they filled out, I faxed to a neutral company who graded it, and then faxed it back to me, total time, about 30 minutes. The easiest thing was to discreetly ask them if they would submit to the testing and tell them if they chose not to they could leave, no questions asked, lot of people left.
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Personally I think regulating drugs while they have liquor stores on the interstate highways is major hypocrisy.
Quote from: HaMeR on November 17, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
Trust me. I'm not offended. There aren't too many people that can offend me. Including you. :nono:
I guess you could say I'm tired of the whole "rich white folks gotsta pay for their successes sos I kin have mine too" mentality. That comment is the exact same one used by the no good SOB that is in office right now. He was elected because he promised the lazy class of society he would take from the rich & give to the poor. Kinda defeats the purpose of a man to be successful in this day & age dontcha think? :shrug:
BTW-- Apology accepted. :eyebrownod:
:wo: Being politically correct means having to say I'm sorry. :nono: Not me!! I aint. I'm not. And I'll never be. :biggrin:
CCP said it best.
:iroll: Hammer,if you saw an apology in my post you really are either drunk or high. :biggrin:
" relax i never mean to offend your sensabilities", wasnt an apology,nor was there an apology anywhere in my post. why would i apologize for your bein anal? :confused: :madd: :biggrin: :wink:
my post was meant to reinforce the idea that you are takin this thread way to seriously and need to lighten up.. lol
ive never been accused of being politically correct but i have been accused of being redneck and opinionated.
2 qualitites im most proud of. :biggrin:
One story I especially enjoyed was in the 2002 winter Olympics. The Canadian snow boarder wins the Gold but when tested he had THC in his system and they were going to take the medal away because of performance enhancing drugs. Think what he'd of done without them :iroll:.
I smoke Pal Mal Cigarettes........I rarely ever take a drink of anything but pop and way too much pop I might add....
I drink 2-3 pots of coffee a day.....
I aint proud of none of them..........and I have tried to quit........many times........working on the smokes again now......
I hate that these things have such a hold on me and I wish they were never made.
Does any of these things make me any worse or better than anyone I will ever meet in my life???
Boy I hope not.......Or I read my Bible wrong...........or I might miss out on meeting the fellow that comes up with the next great Idea.
We all do wrong......Sin is a sin if ya will........It is how we strive to do better that counts.
If ya think ya do no wrong and never have.......That is one of the worst wrongs there could be.
Am I saying my smoking and pop/coffee drinking wrong.....yup.....and that's OK cause I allow me to.....Its something I wish I never knew, so for me it is wrong.
What we fight about is really unimportant........Its what we learn in the process that will determine what kind of world we leave behind.
Not trying to offend anyone as I like ya all....hell even Nasty (a little) ....... :laf: :laf: (that paranoid comment cracked me up!)
I just needed to say these things is all....... :wink:
Geez Al now I feel bad about the deers ass end post....but it did bring out Cathryns true feelings for you so I guess theres some good in every post.... :biggrin: :innocentwhistle:.........as far as habits and such, everyone has their crosses to bear in life, JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!
I'm pretty much with Weedwalker on the rather being with a pothead than a drunk. Potheads are chilled and drunks can be all kinds of crazy crap. Having been both I do have some experience on the subject.
I have smoked literally a ton of pot in my day, but haven't smoked pot since Sept. 11, 1994, but it was for personal reasons, nothing to do with me being poor or a redneck.
I started drinking heavily oct. 31, 1987 and started slacking off a few years ago, but still occasionally have a few drinks, but haven't been drunk in a few months. I have two quarts in my freezer that have been setting there for a few months and still not opened. :shrug: Just don't feel the urge much.
After my back surgery they put me on some pretty strong pain killers called percocet 7.5. Left me on it quite awhile and those suckers took hold. Toughest thing I ever had to kick and the doctors themselves put me on it and then 9 months later informed me that I was hooked on them so be careful coming off them because it's gonna be as bad as coming off heroin. That was sweet of them. :doh2:
I don't like the idea of the government being in any of my business, but having said that I do believe anything that alters your mind such as alcohol, cannabis, oxycodine, morphine, xanax, etc. should be regulated. I could care less what folks do to themselves, but if they plow into my family or hurt me at work because they are under the influence of some crap then I will take it personal. :wink:
Quote from: nastygunz on November 17, 2009, 09:02:30 PM
Geez Al now I feel bad about the deers ass end post....but it did bring out Cathryns true feelings for you so I guess theres some good in every post.... :biggrin: :innocentwhistle:.........as far as habits and such, everyone has their crosses to bear in life, JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!
Takes one to know one is all.......admitting it is the hard part....... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Al u have never even looked at a bible,and Bopeye percacets are addicting my doctor took me off of them, before those i had morphine pills but now im on flexirill and ultram plus coumadine,zocor zoloft and some other drugs i cant pronounce. some of them say they can make u dizzie and u should not run heavy equipment but i have to take them every day and i still drive. u guys better look out if u go to LBL cause ill be all doped up and probable be seeing pink elephants and wanting to jump off buildings but it will be ok cause they were prescribed to me by a doctor. :wink:
Quote from: nastygunz on November 17, 2009, 09:02:30 PM
JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!
That quotation from Matthew 7:1 has been bantered about incorrectly for so long that it's original meaning has been lost. It does not mean "Never Judge". It does not mean that
judging is bad or wrong. It does not mean that YOU are bad for making a judgement. If you read it in its proper context, in the Bible, you'll see that it means "know ALL the facts before you make the call. To do otherwise legitimizes a factless judgement of yourself." We all make judgements, nearly every day. Most of what we call "opinions" are judgements, usually snap judgements at that. No one should be in fear of judging, as long as they've done their homework first.
Quote from: nastygunz on November 17, 2009, 09:02:30 PM
Geez Al now I feel bad about the deers ass end post....but it did bring out Cathryns true feelings for you so I guess theres some good in every post.... :biggrin: :innocentwhistle:.........as far as habits and such, everyone has their crosses to bear in life, JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!
and what would those true feelings be,in your opinion?
Quote from: golfertrout on November 17, 2009, 11:12:13 PM
Al u have never even looked at a bible
I had read it twice.....Could not understand it....so I bought a book called "Where to find it in the Bible" (BY,Ken Anderson) and a student Bible Dictionary.....then I read it again .....looking up what I did not understand.
I enjoyed that read most of all.
I went to church regularly and played my guitar every week in church for a long time......Then some people who thought they had never sinned in their life looked down at some of the folks there..... :argh: I just never went back
There is more to it than that but I will keep it private......But I have read it....and probably should again.
Quote from: cathryn on November 18, 2009, 01:15:28 AM
Quote from: nastygunz on November 17, 2009, 09:02:30 PM
Geez Al now I feel bad about the deers ass end post....but it did bring out Cathryns true feelings for you so I guess theres some good in every post.... :biggrin: :innocentwhistle:.........as far as habits and such, everyone has their crosses to bear in life, JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!
and what would those true feelings be,in your opinion?
Friendship......respect.....loyalty.....did I miss any.... :eyebrow:
p.s. its cold in the turkey blind in NH in November :eyebrow:
Kinda crossin a line aint ya.... Kiddin around is one thing but whoa a little.
I thought it was admirable how she stuck up for you, you kids are mighty thin skinned aorund here :wo:
the more u talk the more i realize what a jerk u r nasty
We are practically neighbors......And she is neighbor to a couple real good friends is all ........and we around here do stick up for one another......Jerry aint on here to speak out so .....I did....
well gee al maybe you should mention it to the other guys who were teezin you too...and as for you goferlout your an idiot.
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p.s. its cold in the turkey blind in NH in November :eyebrow:
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This is what I meant if you need me to spell it out for ya! Now there is kids on here so I will refrain from any more banter.
Talk about an Idiot.......SHUT UP! :rolleye:
Al you hit the nail on the head and im glad someone else noticed that he is an idiot
So is this how we lay our selves out in presentation to the new members entering the youth hunt? A handful of grown adults personally attacking each over a discussion regarding a pot party? :iroll:
C'mon guys, cut the bullshit. Call each other on the phone and stroke your egos, this is making this place look real bad.
Quote from: alscalls on November 18, 2009, 08:16:24 PM
p.s. its cold in the turkey blind in NH in November :eyebrow:
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This is what I meant if you need me to spell it out for ya! Now there is kids on here so I will refrain from any more banter.
Talk about an Idiot.......SHUT UP! :rolleye:
TALK ABOUT AN IDIOT...LOOK IN THE MIRROR... wth has a turkey blind in nh got to do with you and cathryn ?...i said earlier I was hiding from her in one....whatever your thinking i havent a clue so you shut the hell up!
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Quote from: golfertrout on November 18, 2009, 08:18:59 PM
Al you hit the nail on the head and im glad someone else noticed that he is an idiot
being an idiot would be an upgrade for you :roflmao:
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 18, 2009, 08:19:44 PM
So is this how we lay our selves out in presentation to the new members entering the youth hunt? A handful of grown adults personally attacking each over a discussion regarding a pot party? :iroll:
C'mon guys, cut the bullshit. Call each other on the phone and stroke your egos, this is making this place look real bad.
As it is your forum and I do like and respect you I will cease and desist.
nuf said im done :yoyo:
Hey Fins, i apaologize for this thread i never thought it would turn into a buncha BS.
i did make that post forcefully bout Al being picked on by anyone but me cause i wanted to see what would happen...guess i did.
as for mine and Als friendship,since some of you seem to have your minds in the gutter at any opportuniy, we're just friend here, on this forum.
he lives near me(40 miles or so) but weve never met and Jerry gave him an elk antler.
I would never disrespect Jerry and neither would Al his wife. :iroll:
I believe there is no reason to apologize for the "thread". A couple of individuals probably should apologize to each other for unnecessary roughness, but it's still a good thread. What I've learned from it is that, what we are on the surface may have painted an entirely different picture of how closely we hold certain convictions. Not only that, but we (most of us) can manage to keep minor moral convictions from interfering with friendships. But the skin is usually thin around these areas of sensitivity. It takes a person of strong character to out themselves knowing full well they must then deal with the expected consequences. I don't believe any friendships were lost in the 5 pages of this thread. Opinions may have been modified a little, but respect didn't lose any ground. (just don't expect me to drop trou' on any of my personal vices) :nono:
The only apology I will offer is to Jim Campion and other friends on this board.........Sorry
Nasty I got nothing for ya. :wink:
No one owes me anything especially an appology.
I just cant set up here watch you guys tear each other up over something (in my opinion) so stupid and publically degrading for us as a group.
Like Nasa I would think there'd be a couple apologizing to each other.
I only got one skeleton in my closet[statute of limitations hasn't ran out on that fellow yet] and am happy with who I am. If people can't be happy with me then, Oh well.
Quote from: alscalls on November 19, 2009, 07:54:44 PM
The only apology I will offer is to Jim Campion and other friends on this board.........Sorry
Nasty I got nothing for ya. :wink:
Right back atcha :wink:
I can not believe I missed this thread.
That was an interesting read.
I wish someone would do a study. A real study not a bunch of stuff thrown together that was done by someone else 60+ years ago. A true study with unbiased backing. Every "study" I have seen is nothing but information compiled up from back before the Korean war/conflict. There have been no studies done in recent times that are done by an unbiased source. Please understand AN UNBIASED SOURCE Think anti-gun VS pro-gun. Both sides have a heck of an argument and both sides throw a lot of money into there prospective studies. A lot of Johny public hasn't the means to discern the true truths from the one sided truths. If you have somthing new and unbiased let me know. I would love to read it.
I am not posting here to stir up anything. I am posting cause I thought this was a rather interesting read. Other than all the ruffled feathers and pseudo name calling this was an interesting insight into the opinions that some of the members of this site have. I have seen similar discussions in my travels and I have seen people leave some of these discussions so mad that they immediately go out and do the things they were discussing. And watching them you could tell they were just trying to grab hold of there crutch. There crutch being whatever it is, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc....
Interesting little post by CCP there concerning testing being done to tell if someone is actually under the influence at the time of being tested. I saw my uncle fired from the job he had for 20+ years. Not cause he was doing drugs but because he could not give them a urine sample. Being he was diabetic and on dialissis he could no longer urinate. They fired him under there zero tolerance policy. They could have blood tested him but that runs into more expense. I also know they have a test that can tell if you are actively under the influence of THC. This kit is expensive. What company is going to spend the extra money when it is easier to just say zero tolerance. I know I have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to someone endangering me or my family. So I can not place blame on a company for this
I know one company I worked for didn't have a drug testing program until the insurance company forced them to implement one. They never had a problem before but after the drug testing policy was started it was a different place to work. People actually felt as if the company was prying into there personal time. It didn't matter if they were a stoner or not. No one liked the insurance company telling them you have to pee in a cup whenever they say. I say if you work for a company that has a drug testing policy and you see an employee leaving a bar or liquor store shouldn't that person be fired?. My reasoning,... I know when I used to drink I felt bad the next day. Usually bad enough to affect my work. That being the case, couldn't drinking the day before be putting someones wellbeing into jeopardy today. I mean the alcohol is gone but my body still hasn't had time to recover to its pre alcohol buzzed state. Shouldn't a person in that condition be treated as if he were drunk? At least in the consideration that he/she could be putting someone else in harms way.
I know I have probably opened up some old wounds and that was not my intention. I just like a good discussion and other than the ..... OH whats it called. When a coyote arches his back and his hackles stand up. There's a name for it. .. POSTURING thats it! Posturing, other than the posturing this was a really good discussion/debate.
it seems like the demand for medical marijuana is up so high that theres a university where you can go and learn proper dosing? i gotta a couple cousins who could probably sabve ya your tition fees :wink: :biggrin:
Cannabis College Redefines 'Higher Education' Updated: 1 hour 59 minutes ago
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OAKLAND, Calif. (Jan. 8) -- It seemed like a typical grand opening. The president of Oaksterdam University and an Oakland City Council member helped cut a red ribbon strung across the doorway. A crowd of 100 people clapped and cheered.
The city council member, Rebecca Kaplan, praised the school for helping revive the neighborhood, stimulating the local economy and attracting people to downtown Oakland.
"This is a large, growing and thriving business," she told the crowd at the celebration Thursday evening. "It is bringing customers for all the other businesses. It is a key part of the growth and revitalization of the entire neighborhood."
Dale Clare
Oaksterdam University?s new campus is a three-story, 30,000-square-foot building where it can enroll up to 100 students in its three-month course.
But this is no ordinary university. It trains students to work in California's booming medical marijuana business. Its mission is to build support for the movement to legalize cannabis.
The college has expanded so quickly since it opened in 2007 that it outgrew its two previous spaces. Its new campus is a three-story, 30,000-square-foot building where it can enroll up to 100 students in its three-month course.
Richard Lee, the founder and president of Oaksterdam University, is a veteran activist who also is sponsoring a statewide ballot measure that would allow adults 21 or older to possess and grow relatively small amounts of marijuana. The initiative also would allow cities and counties to tax and regulate marijuana sales and cultivation.
The name Oaksterdam -- a blend of Oakland and Amsterdam -- first came into use to describe the area of downtown Oakland where more than a dozen medical marijuana dispensaries sprang up a decade ago. Amsterdam is one of the few places in the world where marijuana is sold openly in shops and coffee houses.
Sean Donnelly, Contra Costa Times / MCT
Richard Lee is the founder of Oaksterdam University.
Oakland, California's eighth largest city with a population of 400,000, eventually began regulating the dispensaries and pared the number from 14 to four. But the name for the neighborhood stuck. Lee took the name for the university after a visit to Amsterdam to study the marijuana industry there.
Lee calls himself a "Libertarian Republican." He owns several other businesses in the neighborhood, including a medical marijuana dispensary. He has donated more than $1 million to the initiative campaign.
Supporters of the measure have collected 680,000 signatures, far more than the 433,971 required. Lee plans to submit the petitions this month and hopes to qualify for the November ballot. The university's old building a block away will become campaign headquarters.
"This is about politics and a political issue as well as being about business," Lee said.
Indeed, politics and business are intertwined at Oaksterdam. Students receive instruction in the law, politics and advocacy as a prerequisite for taking horticulture, for example.
Other classes include "cannabusiness," dispensary management, distribution, patient relations, cooking with cannabis and making hashish. Graduates receive a certificate that can help them get a job at one of the many medical marijuana dispensaries in California.
The school grows dozens of plants as part of its teaching program but complies with the state's medical marijuana law by serving as the cannabis provider for a patient who has multiple sclerosis.
About 6,000 students have attended the school, Executive Chancellor Dale Clare said. The university has opened satellite campuses in Los Angeles; Sebastopol, Calif.; and, most recently, in Michigan.
"Our main goal is to create activists and give our students the proper knowledge so they can help fight the drug war," said Salwa Ibrahim, Lee's executive assistant. "Politics is the most important thing of everything we do."
By some accounts, marijuana is California's biggest commodity. Lee estimates that it is a $15 billion industry, with medical marijuana making up about $1.5 billion of the total.
In recent years as the state's budget problems have mounted, Lee and other advocates of legalization have attempted to focus the legalization debate on marijuana's huge tax potential.
Last year, voters in Oakland approved a measure sponsored by cannabis activists that imposed a 1.8 percent city tax on medical marijuana. The dispensaries also pay state sales tax.
As part of his strategy in Oakland, Lee has sought to show that the marijuana trade can be good for the city's economic health.
In addition to the university and his dispensary a few blocks away, he started several other businesses, including a gift shop, a coffee shop and a glass blowing shop. Oaksterdam University joined the Chamber of Commerce.
"This was an area of Oakland that was rundown, with a lot of empty store fronts," he said. "We saw that cannabis could help bring traffic and revitalize the district and we could prove ourselves that way."
Kaplan, who was elected to the city council a year ago, said the rapid growth of Oaksterdam University is a boon to the city, much like the recent reopening of a Toyota dealership.
"Oaksterdam University is something we should celebrate," she said after the ribbon-cutting. "It really has become a normalized thing here."
http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/oaksterdam-university-in-california-trains-students-for-medical-marijuana-business/19308833
Why is it necessary to advocate drug use and/or drug use tolerance on a hunting forum?
I have seen a lot of people go down the tubes due to drugs. Alcohol included. I know of NO ONE who says illegal drugs made them a better, happier person. Misery, financial ruin, jail and death are the ultimate end results.
QuoteWhy is it necessary to advocate drug use and/or drug use tolerance on a hunting forum?
I agree and regret posting in this thread earlier. We have a youth contest and several youth oriented post going on and have many young hunters reading through the forums. Not asking anyone to stop just keep the kids reading this in mind while we post.
Quote from: Semp on January 08, 2010, 04:01:14 PM
Why is it necessary to advocate drug use and/or drug use tolerance on a hunting forum?
In the same vein Semp, why would anything non hunting be put on the board :huh:. I see politics, sports, religion, sex, military, kid raising, truck bouncing and a whole host of topics that aren't hunting related here. I think if we kept it to straight hunting we'd find a lot of people missing here. Talking is the first step in finding something out so if I want to learn something I need to hear people talking.
my original goal when i posted this thread was to get a good debate going, and except for a few offline posts, i think it succeeded at being an informative thread.
personally i feel what one does in their private life is their own business as long as it isn't affecting anyone around them. to each his own but i certainly wouldn't advocate a kid trying drugs,but lets face it the most of them will at some point and id like to see them informed before they take that plunge.Maybe a thread like this will actually keep a kid from smoking a joint and if it did then it'd be worth it to make the post,IMO.
because wed prefer not to discuss a potentially volatile subject doesn't make it any less real. im glad to be able to discuss a wide
assortment of topics with y'all. believe it or not Ive even changed my mind about a thing or 2 in the past due to debates on here.
I intentionally posted this original thread on the tailgate so people who didn't want to become involved in a non outdoors related thread wouldn't even have to skim over the thread title as the perused the hunting boards here.
i dont see much difference in debating this topic as compared to the many other off topic threads Ive read on this board in the past.
Quote from: pitw on November 17, 2009, 04:11:14 PM
The simple fact of do what you want and can live with works. I smoke but not in my house or car[when the family is with]. I smoke the other stuff never at home or near my family.
Your post above says it all, Barry. If you think smoking dope is OK why not get your family to join in?
I got my opinion and you got yours. Let's just leave it at that and move on.
I agree CCP THe fact that younger peopel can be reading this thread shoudl be kept in mind. But shoudl the fact that there is a chance an under age person could read this stop the debate? I dont think so. They are gona hear similar discussions somewhere sometime and wouldnt it be better to do it here where you have some input?
Do I want my kids smoking pot? No. But I already know my 19 year old is getting drunk and being promiscuious. I know this cause she told me. Does she smoke pot. NO. I know this cause she told me. We trust each other because we talk. We have had the marijiana talk. She understands my stand on the subject and will now make whatever decesion she is going to make. How did this happen? We talked. Simply that.
Quote from: Semp on January 08, 2010, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: pitw on November 17, 2009, 04:11:14 PM
The simple fact of do what you want and can live with works. I smoke but not in my house or car[when the family is with]. I smoke the other stuff never at home or near my family.
Your post above says it all, Barry. If you think smoking dope is OK why not get your family to join in?
I got my opinion and you got yours. Let's just leave it at that and move on.
Semp I'm afraid bringing up a one line statement i have made and the claiming that it says it all is way beyond my comprehension :doh2:.
If you think my family doesn't know what I do then you have not paid much attention to my other posts either. We discuss everything in this household. My wife was brought up to hate [she don't like it yet but has tried it just to prove to herself what it did] the stuff. Our oldest daughter doesn't do it for reasons she decided on her own. Our oldest boy doesn't smoke/eat it cause he made his choice from discussions here and watching friends. The young guys will do what they do but not under this roof until they are eighteen[My house my rules].
Of course we got different opinions on things and that is as it should be. If you were exactly like me I'd probably not like you. I learned a long time ago to try looking through another persons eyes before I condemned h their thoughts. I didn't ask for this thread or for it to be brought back up again but I sure as [you know] ain't going to advocate censorship to the forum members :nofgr:. Instead of wanting silence why don't you and I [and whoever else wants to] discuss like the adults we are supposed to be our different opinions[might find out they aren't all that different].
I'll start with my opinion is that pot[drugs] are as much a part of our world now as dirt. With dirt as with anything it can be used wrong but like dirt used properly it can give a bountiful crop, create wonderful works of art, or anything else that dirt is used for.
Wanna try without getting mad at me thus forcing us into a pissing match that neither can win. Give me your opinion why it's the most horribly rotten thing to hit the face of the earth since the asteroid that cleaned out the dinosaurs.
As for young people reading this I guess I'd sooner they heard what a collective group like we have here [thousands of years of experience] than what they'll hear talking to a pusher, dealer and dumbass friends[we probably all had one] with 10-40 years of experience.