The next time I'm involved in any hunt-seminar business I'd like to have a better handle on exactly how much we can get from predator huntings best sponsor, so we don't sell out for punk change. So here's my question. Exactly how much money does it take to get the sponsor's name in front of the event title? I mean, does FOXPRO-OPHA cost more than OPHA-FOXPRO? Give me some dollar figures.
QuoteThe next time I'm involved in any hunt-seminar business I'd like to have a better handle on exactly how much we can get from predator huntings best sponsor, so we don't sell out for punk change
What kind of past events have you been involved with?
And are you involved with the OPHA?
Brent
OPHA :shrug: :huh:
Our Predator Hunting Association
Huh? February 7? That little soiree in Poteau, OK? Is it an OPHA event? Or a Foxpro event? Maybe I got my wires crossed. Maybe not.
http://www.okpredatorhunters.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/10/page/1
QuoteWhat kind of past events have you been involved with?
And are you involved with the OPHA?
Brent
Skoal,
You still didnt answer my questions. You might get some answers if you answer, if thats what your looking for.
Also why do you have a roaming IP address...One from France, Birlin, Germany, and BC?
Brent
Brent, I think you scared him away. :laf: But I think if an event "donator" contributes the lions share of the prizes being awarded, then they can safely be considered a "sponsor". And probably would be shown a degree of appreciation by including their name in the promotion of the event. Snubbing your primary sponsor just isn't good business practice. But everybody already knows that, right? :rolleye:
Some how NASA I don't think that's the info he was looking for. This person seems to have agenda here, and we have a open board policy here as well. But to go threw the trouble of getting a roaming IP address tells me he don't want anyone to know who they are or were they are at for some reason.
We will not sensor what is posted here other than some major words that just are not need to be posted in public. But if I had a agenda against someone or a company, I think I would not go threw the trouble of hiding. Just smells funny to me!
Brent
Sniff all you want. It's my teenager's computer and I don't know anything about Berlin and your roaming whatever. Anyone got a dollar figure. How much should we ask for? $10,000? $20,000? Damn Tom, I hope those guys got more than a free hunt with Byron and a shiny nickel for first place billing. Hurry up. Seminar season is almost here again.
Edit: Brent, in no way do I mean any disrespect to the site or moderators here. Don't take it personal. It ain't. I can't help but notice some new registrants, a few more views, and conversation going well beyond "Upwind or Down." Elsewhere, I'd have been gangbanged by the Foxpro mafia or linched by the OPHA. Thanks for your kindness.
By the way, isn't Higgins the most under equipped under gunned hunter you've ever seen? Garbage bag parka? That probably works well down near the border where the desert is so trashed. Give that boy a rubber band and a paper clip and he'd bring home a varmint.
QuoteSniff all you want. It's my teenager's computer and I don't know anything about Berlin and your roaming whatever.
I don't buy that for one second!
Then who are you? And were you from?
And whats with all the threads you have posted shooting at FoxPro and Byron, Gary T? Like I said we have a open board policy here, but there is only one reason for a IP address set up like you have and thats either you been banned from other boards or this one, or you are hiding and don't want anyone to know who you are.
If your strait up, then were fine, and you shouldn't have anything to hide.
Brent
I said Les got a new sponsor and he did. I said Byron put on a public display in Mesa and he did. And I quoted Gary Thifault directly from his own club's newsletter along with a few facts from the August '07 edition. Other than that, I didn't even voice my own opinions. I plead guilty to selective fact sharing.
Quoteplead guilty to selective fact sharing.
:roflmao: :roflmao: I guess so....lol
But you still never answered my questions....lol
Brent
His name is skoal38 :shrug:
I think Brent's trying to say welcome to the board, c'mon Brent spit it out :laf: :laf:
OK Jim! I will leave him alone!
Brent
:roflmao: :roflmao:
Quote from: Skoal38 on January 24, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
I plead guilty to selective fact sharing.
Brent, I think he works for the federal government. :nono:
Semp
LMAO....Looks that way Semp! :laf:
Skoal38,
I just seen your edit on that post. No big deal you didn't disrespect me in any way. Usually when someone comes in with a roaming IP address it means trouble. That's all I was going by.
Brent
Noticed on OP site attendance list that RH and Tyler are listed as speakers. But noticed that they are not listed with the six very "special "people in attendance or any listed times for their talks?
Hi Dennis, haven't seen you around lately. Too busy calling?
Steve Criner and Gerald Stewart, both of Hunter's Specialties, will be speaking on Fri nite, when Tyler and I were scheduled. Tyler and I will probably speak at next years OPHA Hunt.
Seems like it will be a fun get together.
OK, That explains it.
No not much calling. Just got back last night from 8 days in your area. Meant to look you up, but between going to Luke to fly a F16 simulator,, driving to Hoover and Vegas, then down to Laughlin and exploring the Bullhead city area(I heard it's a good spot to spend the winter. Loser might have some winter company in a few years :innocentwhistle:) visiting the school where my daughter's teaching,......I ran out of time. Next time I buy lunch.
Dennis
Thanks to OPHA for the info. It turns out that $2770 full retail in swag bought first place billing. $1660 wholesale if you don't count the 24 Foxpro hats. Or about $1500 manufacturer cost.
Quote from: Skoal38 on January 24, 2008, 06:38:22 PM
Damn Tom, I hope those guys got more than a free hunt with Byron
Lol, you realize of course, that
some people would sacrifice a testicle for an opportunity like that. :eyebrownod: Now, who the fugaw you? :confused:
:roflmao: lmao!
I sure hope you don't miss that testicle too much NASA........ :biggrin: :yahoo:
Why? He dont use them anyway! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Brent
Hey Bopster, bite ME!! :laf: And Kee, after adding six more pie holes to the world population I think my tentacles have served their useful purpose and have earned retirement. :yoyo:
Quote from: Skoal38 on January 23, 2008, 10:22:17 AM
The next time I'm involved in any hunt-seminar business I'd like to have a better handle on exactly how much we can get from predator huntings best sponsor, so we don't sell out for punk change. So here's my question. Exactly how much money does it take to get the sponsor's name in front of the event title? I mean, does FOXPRO-OPHA cost more than OPHA-FOXPRO? Give me some dollar figures.
Well, It probably is a good thing that you HAVEN'T been involved in our hunt/seminar then. Why come to a different board to ask such a question, when you could go right to the source. NASA, I don't think you have to worry about him losing any testicles, cause it is painfully obvious that he never had any anyway. Run to a different board to hide huh? If you have a problem with the way something is done, work it through. Maybe we have reasons for doing something. If you aren't in the know on something, why take sucker punches? Come over and make yourself known.
It is clear to me that you are having a problem with Byron and Foxpro. Why drag the OPHA into this? Do you know anything about the OPHA? Are you a member? I can answer honestly to both, and say "No!" If you were, you would know that it isn't about the money, the OPHA didn't receive any money at all. The club is what the members have made it. The members are towing dead weight like yourself around. I believe I know exactly who you are. Next time you have a beef with someone, go to them. Don't come onto a board and attack someone else, (meaning me and the OPHA), who is completely innocent. You sir have made an enemy for life, and I will gladly meet you anytime and place to straighten this out from our point. I have poured countless hours into making the club what it is, and something that our members can be proud of. I don't need an ignorant a-hole to come in from the wings and try to start crap about it.
At no time have I taken a stand for Rich, or for Byron, or for Foxpro. I don't know who did what to who. I don't care. I think that these men are the ones that need to work it out between themselves. I see where you state you were in Mesa when this occured. I guess you know more than I do, but it still seems like all you are getting is the tail end. Rather than keep crap going, stay out of it if it doesn't concern you. I bet you don't get concrened with your neighbors bedroom habits do you? It is a private matter, let it be.
I will tell you as the hunt coordinator of the OPHA I made the decision to name the hunt what it is. See I know something skoal does not, I know how to conduct business. I run 2 television channels in my market and understand the value of marketing. I went through intense negotiations with several different companies to be the premier sponsor for our annual member's hunt. It was not just FoxPro, it included companies like Budweiser, Lowrance, Academy and Bass Pro. The final deal was struck with FoxPro, would you have grip about it if it had been Budweiser? And why do you care since your not a member of our club? This is a get together for people who want to be members. When we first formed our club I asked Jim if I could post our hunt here, and he graciously let us put it on his calendar. As for the speakers I was very honored for Rich, Tyler and Les to come to our hunt and speak but in the business world sometimes things just don't work out. Rich called me and told me he wanted to withdraw for this year and I understood. He was very nice about it when he called me and I appreciated it. I can assure you there is no problems with Rich and the OPHA as he is a moderator on our board. I have made plans for him to be a speaker at next year's event when it is more convenient for him. I have had many conversations with Rich and he has never expressed any problems he has with our hunt or us. As for Les he pulled out because he had to attend another event. We never took them off the lspeaker list, they asked to withdraw on their own. So I wanna know skoal what the hell is your problem? I am not gonna be as easy about this as Jeff has, I spent over a 1000 hours this last year handling all the detail of putting this thing together, and I take it personally when some uneducated goof mouthing off about something he has absolutely no clue about. If you got something to say about our hunt or you want to talk to me bring it on. I don't hide behind fake screen names and roaming IP's to say what I have to say, I will tell it to your face . I will be at the hunt in Poteau if you would like to discuss this further.
Rus Gaylor
918-282-6830
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Rus, you clearly stated my point better than I ever could. You put in over 1000 hours on your gathering and then gave Foxpro first billing. It is an OPHA event. You sold out cheap.
When the weekend is over and you've cooled off and rested up, the organizers should sit down and do a post-mortem to discuss what went right and what went wrong, especially if you're considering doing it again. Most of all, it appears you need a clearly stated purpose for putting on the event, one that benefits the members. One goal at which you clearly succeeded was providing a platform for your sponsors to merchandise their wares, and I'm not so sure the club wanted to do that. It appears that they got their money's worth. Did the OPHA? You also need to discuss the number of people who stayed away because you turned it into a "Foxpro" event. There are quite a few. I've heard all your speakers a couple of times each, so I'm not going to take away anything new about predator hunting. Actually, all these guys who are going to talk are selling stuff and are better suited to retail venues like Bass Pro and Cabela's. Nevertheless, I'm sure it will be a great social gathering. When we all get together next week, you won't even know who I am. I'm just going to nod and smile and drink another Bud.
Thanks to Jim for this forum. The OPHA doesn't need any more grief on their own site. They've got other fish to fry. And FnF is under no obligations to the membership or pressure from the seminar sponsors to ban posters or delete posts or make entire threads disappear.
not worth it
"It is an OPHA event."
Then why do you even care? Are you a member?
"Most of all, it appears you need a clearly stated purpose for putting on the event, one that benefits the members. "
I believe that was done, it is meant as a get to together FOR THE MEMBERS to meet other members and maybe learn a few things.
"One goal at which you clearly succeeded was providing a platform for your sponsors to merchandise their wares, and I'm not so sure the club wanted to do that. It appears that they got their money's worth. Did the OPHA?"
How do you know what the club wanted? Were you there when the decisions were made? I'm pretty sure you WERE NOT!!!!! If a sponsor can sell a few products at the hunt then why not let them? It gives the members a place to get merchandise without haveing to support Bass Pro or Cabelas.
"You also need to discuss the number of people who stayed away because you turned it into a "Foxpro" event."
I haven't heard of ANYONE staying away because of that,,,,,, :confused:
And if anyone IS that petty, to not go because of a name on a banner, then they have other social and pyscological problems far bigger than that,,,
"When we all get together next week, you won't even know who I am. I'm just going to nod and smile and drink another Bud."
IF you have the nuts to bless the get together with your presents, it WILL be known I'm sure.
" The OPHA doesn't need any more grief on their own site."
Could you elaberate alittle on that remark? I'm having trouble recalling any grief over there :shrug:
Skoal I got ya man, I just found out who you are. Remember our little saying at OPHA? "If you start crap on our board you are just a drive away from an ass whipping" well I found you, I got your alternate email address and know where to find you. Your service provider was more than happy to help when I told them you were spamming. I also know your not on the attendee list for the hunt. I wish you would make that drive over for the hunt, but as on our board your just too much of a turd to do it. All talk and no show. little hint that I know who you are "I am taking it to a whole new level"
To the members of Fins and Fur,
First off, I would like to apologize for this coming to your forum. When this thread was first started, it was started by someone who was obviously disgruntled with a company, and wanted to take a shot at them. What happened was that he insulted an innocent party while he was doing this. I have worked very hard on our board, and I don't want our board to be a part of the crap slinging. I won't stand for it.
The person who posted this dribble is hiding, and rightfully so. I have seen this many times in the past, and only in a few cases has the person EVER disclosed who they were. My name is Jeffrey Holly. I am NOT hiding anything. If you have something to say about me, or my club, stand up, be a man, and do it. Tell us who YOU are. I have some very good suspicions Come over to OUR board. Do it there. Leave it off of fins and fur.
Jim, I know that this next request may be a bit odd. I don't know if you will or not, but could you please delete this entire thread. This is not reflective of the OPHA, and this person has an agenda against a company that is merely helping us out. I don't think this person would have known about the OPHA except for the fact that Foxpro is one of many of our sponsors.
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As expected..... and as with every thread, there's people that agree with it, and there's people that disagree with it. As much as it sucks, thats kinda what makes up a discussion forum. I mean seriously....if everybody everywhere, agreed with everything, whats the sense in having a forum. What's really needed is a documentation site. A site that lists specific information about specific things and is never any different...updated but never altered.
One of my agendas in starting this forum was largely due to the biased censorship that took place on so many other forums. It's not only degrading, but flat out humiliating when someone is not allowed to post something on a forum that doesn't replicate the staffs feelings or beliefs. Or even posting something that doesnt not directly promote the board being posted on. Heck Radd's even posted things here that did nothing more then promote your site and your hunt. I dont care :nono: That's what were here for.
I dont agree with a lot of things that people post, but as the administrator you dont see me deleting those threads. You dont see my staff doing it either. This....if I have anything to do with...may end up being the most unbiased forum you've ever joined. Now...I know what your thinking and yes there is a good chunk of the membership here that is anti PM, but you know what?....that does not stop us from allowing PM members to come over here and post stories, calls or even get involved in some of the debates. Actually the number of members that frequent both boards, have the little anti PM group out numbered 4 to 1. So what :shrug:
You will notice several posts on this forum that contain links to things on PM also..... :shrug: So what? Try to go to PM and do that :roflmao:
This aint about PM and the point I'm trying to make is I personally would like this place to be unbiased as to what is and what isn't allowed to be posted. People have a right to their opinions, and people have a right to information....as long as it hunting or fishing related. If whats being posted somewhere doesn't go along with your beliefs or feelings, hop in and tell them why. For every person reading that, that your afraid will get the wrong idea, there's 3 more reading what your saying and going the other way. Were all adults, we can read through the BS and usually do.
Jeff I need you to know that I honestly mean no disrespect what so ever. But you joined in November and when you arrived back this month to defend yourself, you had 8 posts under your belt. You clearly do not have any intentions of being a part of this community. But you know what...I do not hold that against you. I'm just saying that it doesnt give you much leverage to ask to have a post deleted. Especially considering the fact the you can count on one finger, the number of posts that have ever been deleted from this place. I'd still buy you a beer if I ever ran into you again....you've done nothing wrong here my friend, so dont take any of this the wrong way.
I know who Skoal is, I also know that he's not making crap up to start a war...he's expressing how he feels about certain things, and he should have the right to. As long as it remains fairly clean and on topic.
Dont ask me who he is, because I'm not obligated to reveal that, and it's not open for discussion. But like I said...your more then welcome to come defend the OPHA....obviously...and I would like to think that my original invite to that hunt still stands. :wink:
Anyone have any coupons for Colgate or Crest Toothpaste?
Gonna be so much biting coming up that maybe we better get to strengthening our teeth............. :laf:
LOL! you dumbass
:doh2: Oh crap...that was off topic
We will start with you Jimbo.................... BITE ME!
:thumb2: ;yes;
Jim I invited you to the hunt last year, and the invite still stands...Heck I will even buy your dinner at the banquet and all the beer you can drink if you can come. My only problem is that Skoal is talking out his ass about something he has no idea about and is to chicken shit to identify himself. I know who he is now so it dosen't matter. If you would like to post some of your events over at our place let me know and I will get it posted. We may not always agree on everything but if someone came to our board pulling this crap you would be my first call letting you in on it. If you don't flush turds like skoal (or better known as &*$@*!@%^&* ) at the beginning he will go from board to board causing crap and sooner or later HE will be at your board doing the same.
Quote from: FinsnFur on January 27, 2008, 09:24:42 PM
I know who Skoal is, I also know that he's not making crap up to start a war...he's expressing how he feels about certain things, and he should have the right to. As long as it remains fairly clean and on topic.
Jim,
That is the point. He doesn't know what he is talking about, and he is making crap up. How he feels is immaterial to what is accurate. You are sitting back, letting someone bash another board because of their hunt being affliated with Foxpro. You of all people know how this works.
Basically, what you are saying is that it is perfectly fine for someone to express lies and slander here. Skoal's opinions are his own, but when he starts in on a club, with absolutely no involvement within this bickering match, just because of a sponsor? I want to see him go off after EVERY club that Foxpro gave to this year. Like it or not, Mike Dillion is trying to further this sport. I don't tout Mike as a King, nor as a god, but what he has done for this sport transcends anything that Skoal can ever hope to do. BTW, I also know who Skoal is.
I will be waiting for an apology from Skoal. An apology specifically to the OPHA for slurring the image we have built. One that is unbiased and virgin clean. What I had hoped for is a bit of cooperation, to aid us in that. Every organization runs their boards differently, but I expected something a little more from you, especially since this type of event was what created this board.
If you are concerned about my lack of posting here, you shouldn't any more. I bow out gracefully, and knowing that I don't need to return any favors.
Jeff, with all due respect, you cant just pin this on me that way. Skoals opinions are his own, you are right. I'm not going to be the one to take sides on this, I have no connection to either.
I'm sitting back, letting someone bash another board because of their hunt being affiliated with Foxpro? Wow!...You really dont know me at all do you? :nono: And certainly haven't seen some of the other recent threads. :laf:
I think we should probably let this thread die and fall to the way side. :huh:
Quote from: FinsnFur on January 27, 2008, 09:24:42 PM
I know who Skoal is, ........
Quote from: Radd4 on January 27, 2008, 04:54:39 PM
Skoal I got ya man, I just found out who you are.
Quote from: J.Holly on January 27, 2008, 11:29:50 PM
BTW, I also know who Skoal is.
I just luv mysteries.
How about you fellers clueing in the rest of us here in the peanut gallery. Who the hail is Skoal and why should we care? :confused:
Thanks
Semp
Good folks.... This horse has been beat enough.
This thread will not be deleted but will be locked.
Thank you !!!
Chet