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#21
Saltwater / Re: Recommend a stiff braided ...
Last post by Okanagan - June 20, 2025, 11:29:19 PMQuote from: FinsnFur on June 18, 2025, 05:36:01 PMI've never really had any backlash, tangles or tip wrap to speak of, but everything I use braid on is a baitcaster. I dont know if that make a difference or knot. <---see what I did there?
Thanks for your insights and experiences. I've looked in a couple of good tackle stores and asked several fishermen and think I'm settling on a line to try.
Spiderwire Dura 50 lb. test looks closest to what I'm after. I tried Spiderwire Fusion one time years ago and didn't like it.
If I'm lucky I will only tie a few knots in it the whole salmon season: line to leader. I tie on a 12 foot leader in 15 lb. test, and tie my jigs to the end of that till there is only 5 or six feet left. I lose a few inches each time I tie on a jig. Tied line to line with no swivel etc. the small knot runs through the guides easily on the odd time I want to cast to a fish on the surface.
Dura is a little stiffer than PowerPro, but I want that. Also, as PowerPro wears it softens and tends to tangle more. I hope this line retains its stiffness.
We mostly jig in salt water, using bait caster reels. Bouncing in waves with wind and tide currents, as I mentioned before, soft line constantly tries to wrap around the tip of the rod if you drop the jig so that it falls freely. Soft line also forms wind knots. Monofil is stiff enough to not have nearly as much problem with either of those problems. My cousins have given up on braid and gone back to monofil for salmon. I'm looking for braid strength and diameter with mono anti-tangle stiffness.
#22
Firearms / Re: Ok, need some opinions.
Last post by FinsnFur - June 20, 2025, 08:33:32 PMYou guys are slowly talking me out of a revolver.
I think the only reason I want one anyway is because I dont own one. Everything I own is semi auto. Except for the Crosman
Anyway...by the time I get out of work. that local gun shop is closed so I havent had time to look over their inventory of used 22 pistols yet, but I'm very eager to. This is just a grandkids plinking thing. I dont need much.
I think the only reason I want one anyway is because I dont own one.
Everything I own is semi auto. Except for the CrosmanAnyway...by the time I get out of work. that local gun shop is closed so I havent had time to look over their inventory of used 22 pistols yet, but I'm very eager to. This is just a grandkids plinking thing. I dont need much.
#23
The Tailgate / Today inn history 6-20
Last post by remrogers - June 20, 2025, 10:46:27 AM1875
June 20
Mountain man Joe Meek dies
A skilled practitioner of the frontier art of the tall tale, the mountain man Joe Meek dies on his farm in Oregon. His life was nearly as adventurous as his stories claimed.
Born in Virginia in 1810, Meek was a friendly and relentlessly good-humored young man, but he had too much rambunctious energy to do well in school. At 16 years old, the illiterate Meek moved west to join two of his brothers in Missouri. In subsequent years, he taught himself to read and write, but his spelling and grammar remained highly original throughout his life.
In early 1829, Meek joined William Sublette's ambitious expedition to begin fur trading in the Far West. For the next decade, Meek traveled throughout the West, reveling in the adventure and independence of the mountain man life. At 6 feet, 2 inches tall, the heavily bearded Meek became a favorite character at the annual mountain-men rendezvous, where he regaled his companions with humorous and often exaggerated stories of his wilderness adventures. A renowned grizzly hunter, Meek claimed he liked to "count coup" on the dangerous animals before killing them, a variation on a Native American practice in which they shamed a live human enemy by tapping them with a long stick. Meek also told a story in which he claimed to have wrestled an attacking grizzly with his bare hands before finally sinking a tomahawk into its brain.
Over the years, Meek established good relations with many Native Americans, and he married three Native American women, including the daughter of a Nez Perce chief. Nonetheless, he also frequently fought with tribes who were hostile to the incursion of the mountain men into their territories. In the spring of 1837, Meek was nearly killed by a Blackfeet warrior who was taking aim with his bow while Meek tried to reload his Hawken rifle. Luckily for Meek, the warrior dropped his first arrow while drawing the bow, and the mountain man had time to reload and shoot.
In 1840, Meek recognized that the golden era of the free trappers was ending. Joining with another mountain man, Meek and his third wife guided one of the first wagon trains to cross the Rockies on the Oregon Trail. Meek settled in the lush Willamette Valley of western Oregon, became a farmer, and actively encouraged other Americans to join him. In 1847, Meek led a delegation to Washington, D.C., asking for military protection from Native American attacks and territorial status for Oregon. Though he arrived "ragged, dirty, and lousy," Meek became something of a celebrity in the capitol. Easterners relished the boisterous good humor Meek showed in proclaiming himself the "envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary from the Republic of Oregon to the Court of the United States." Congress responded by making Oregon an official American territory and Meek became a U.S. marshal.
Meek returned to Oregon and became heavily involved in politics, eventually helping to found the Oregon Republican Party. He later retired to his farm, where he died on this day in 1875 at the age of 65.
June 20
Mountain man Joe Meek dies
A skilled practitioner of the frontier art of the tall tale, the mountain man Joe Meek dies on his farm in Oregon. His life was nearly as adventurous as his stories claimed.
Born in Virginia in 1810, Meek was a friendly and relentlessly good-humored young man, but he had too much rambunctious energy to do well in school. At 16 years old, the illiterate Meek moved west to join two of his brothers in Missouri. In subsequent years, he taught himself to read and write, but his spelling and grammar remained highly original throughout his life.
In early 1829, Meek joined William Sublette's ambitious expedition to begin fur trading in the Far West. For the next decade, Meek traveled throughout the West, reveling in the adventure and independence of the mountain man life. At 6 feet, 2 inches tall, the heavily bearded Meek became a favorite character at the annual mountain-men rendezvous, where he regaled his companions with humorous and often exaggerated stories of his wilderness adventures. A renowned grizzly hunter, Meek claimed he liked to "count coup" on the dangerous animals before killing them, a variation on a Native American practice in which they shamed a live human enemy by tapping them with a long stick. Meek also told a story in which he claimed to have wrestled an attacking grizzly with his bare hands before finally sinking a tomahawk into its brain.
Over the years, Meek established good relations with many Native Americans, and he married three Native American women, including the daughter of a Nez Perce chief. Nonetheless, he also frequently fought with tribes who were hostile to the incursion of the mountain men into their territories. In the spring of 1837, Meek was nearly killed by a Blackfeet warrior who was taking aim with his bow while Meek tried to reload his Hawken rifle. Luckily for Meek, the warrior dropped his first arrow while drawing the bow, and the mountain man had time to reload and shoot.
In 1840, Meek recognized that the golden era of the free trappers was ending. Joining with another mountain man, Meek and his third wife guided one of the first wagon trains to cross the Rockies on the Oregon Trail. Meek settled in the lush Willamette Valley of western Oregon, became a farmer, and actively encouraged other Americans to join him. In 1847, Meek led a delegation to Washington, D.C., asking for military protection from Native American attacks and territorial status for Oregon. Though he arrived "ragged, dirty, and lousy," Meek became something of a celebrity in the capitol. Easterners relished the boisterous good humor Meek showed in proclaiming himself the "envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary from the Republic of Oregon to the Court of the United States." Congress responded by making Oregon an official American territory and Meek became a U.S. marshal.
Meek returned to Oregon and became heavily involved in politics, eventually helping to found the Oregon Republican Party. He later retired to his farm, where he died on this day in 1875 at the age of 65.
#24
Firearms / Re: Ok, need some opinions.
Last post by MI VHNTR - June 19, 2025, 05:48:57 PMKelTec P17. Extremely light weight and they just work. No, it's not finished as nice as my Browning BuckMarks, but it works well. Ships with 3 16 round magazines too. The price is the best part. I've seen them as low as $159 on Palmetto State Armory sales.
#25
The Tailgate / Today in history 6-19
Last post by remrogers - June 19, 2025, 11:00:54 AM1944
June 19
In Battle of the Philippine Sea, U.S. cripples Japanese naval air power
On June 19, 1944, the U.S. begins a two-day attack that decimates Japan's aircraft carrier force—and shifts the balance of naval air power in World War II's Pacific theater. The Battle of the Philippine Sea, an epic carrier duel that came to be known as the "Marianas Turkey Shoot," would incur only a minimum of losses for the Americans.
The security of the Marianas Islands, in the western Pacific, were vital to Japan, which had air bases on Saipan, Tinian and Guam. U.S. troops were already battling the Japanese on Saipan, having landed there on the 15th. Any further intrusion would leave the Philippine Islands, and Japan itself, vulnerable to U.S. attack. The U.S. Fifth Fleet, commanded by Admiral Raymond Spruance, was on its way west from the Marshall Islands as backup for the invasion of Saipan and the rest of the Marianas.
But Japanese Admiral Ozawa Jisaburo decided to challenge the American fleet, ordering 430 of his planes, launched from aircraft carriers, to attack. In what became the greatest carrier battle of the war, the United States, having already picked up the Japanese craft on radar, proceeded on June 19 alone to shoot down some 300 aircraft and sink two Japanese aircraft carriers, losing only 29 of their own planes in the process. It was described in the aftermath as a "turkey shoot."
Admiral Ozawa, believing his missing planes had landed at their Guam air base, maintained his position in the Philippine Sea, allowing for a second attack of U.S. carrier-based fighter planes, this time commanded by Admiral Mitscher, to shoot down an additional 65 Japanese planes and sink another carrier. Over two days, the Japanese lost nearly 600 aircraft (200 land-based, 400 carrier-based), not to mention most of its crews. American domination of the Marianas was now a foregone conclusion.
Not long after this battle at sea, U.S. Marine divisions penetrated farther into the island of Saipan. Two Japanese commanders on the island, Admiral Nagumo and General Saito, both committed suicide in an attempt to rally the remaining Japanese forces. It succeeded: Those forces also committed a virtual suicide as they attacked the Americans' lines, losing 26,000 men compared with 3,500 lost by the United States. Within another month, the islands of Tinian and Guam were also captured by the United States.
The Japanese government of Premier Hideki Tojo resigned in disgrace at this stunning defeat, in what many have described as the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
June 19
In Battle of the Philippine Sea, U.S. cripples Japanese naval air power
On June 19, 1944, the U.S. begins a two-day attack that decimates Japan's aircraft carrier force—and shifts the balance of naval air power in World War II's Pacific theater. The Battle of the Philippine Sea, an epic carrier duel that came to be known as the "Marianas Turkey Shoot," would incur only a minimum of losses for the Americans.
The security of the Marianas Islands, in the western Pacific, were vital to Japan, which had air bases on Saipan, Tinian and Guam. U.S. troops were already battling the Japanese on Saipan, having landed there on the 15th. Any further intrusion would leave the Philippine Islands, and Japan itself, vulnerable to U.S. attack. The U.S. Fifth Fleet, commanded by Admiral Raymond Spruance, was on its way west from the Marshall Islands as backup for the invasion of Saipan and the rest of the Marianas.
But Japanese Admiral Ozawa Jisaburo decided to challenge the American fleet, ordering 430 of his planes, launched from aircraft carriers, to attack. In what became the greatest carrier battle of the war, the United States, having already picked up the Japanese craft on radar, proceeded on June 19 alone to shoot down some 300 aircraft and sink two Japanese aircraft carriers, losing only 29 of their own planes in the process. It was described in the aftermath as a "turkey shoot."
Admiral Ozawa, believing his missing planes had landed at their Guam air base, maintained his position in the Philippine Sea, allowing for a second attack of U.S. carrier-based fighter planes, this time commanded by Admiral Mitscher, to shoot down an additional 65 Japanese planes and sink another carrier. Over two days, the Japanese lost nearly 600 aircraft (200 land-based, 400 carrier-based), not to mention most of its crews. American domination of the Marianas was now a foregone conclusion.
Not long after this battle at sea, U.S. Marine divisions penetrated farther into the island of Saipan. Two Japanese commanders on the island, Admiral Nagumo and General Saito, both committed suicide in an attempt to rally the remaining Japanese forces. It succeeded: Those forces also committed a virtual suicide as they attacked the Americans' lines, losing 26,000 men compared with 3,500 lost by the United States. Within another month, the islands of Tinian and Guam were also captured by the United States.
The Japanese government of Premier Hideki Tojo resigned in disgrace at this stunning defeat, in what many have described as the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
#26
Firearms / Re: Ok, need some opinions.
Last post by nastygunz - June 19, 2025, 08:06:15 AMTaurus TX22 gets a lot of good reviews, I was thinking of grabbing one of those for myself.
#27
Firearms / Re: Ok, need some opinions.
Last post by KySongDog - June 19, 2025, 06:52:45 AMI have the S&W Victory as well. Threaded for a suppressor, accurate and not too expensive. Also take a look at a Taurus TX22. Lightweight, fun to shoot and it eats anything I can feed it. As for revolvers, I have a Wrangler and a Heritage. The Heritage is marginally just OK. If I had it to do over I wouldn't buy it. It came with a .22mag cylinder and that was its main selling point to me. The hammer spring is weak and I had to modify it some to avoid light strikes. The Wrangler is a much better revolver than the Heritage IMO. Certainly not up to the quality of the Single Six but of course it is much cheaper. The bad thing about these revolvers is the six shot capacity. You spend a lot of time reloading rather than shooting them. Ruger makes a Single Ten and a Single Nine but I have no experience with them. Either one of those would be way ahead of the the Wrangler or Heritage quality though.
#28
Firearms / Re: Ok, need some opinions.
Last post by nastygunz - June 18, 2025, 07:35:58 PMS&W Victory semi, comes with a scope base, you can pimp them out with tons of aftermarket parts. Mines my main small game gun, VERY accurate. $300-400 price range. Excellent fiber optic sights, depending on your eyesight and if you want fine tune accuracy for head shots on squirrels and rabbits, you can easily put the scope base on and throw on a red dot or pistol scope. Semis almost always always more accurate than a revolver.
That revolver is a Model 18-4 Combat Master .22, old gun, beautiful wood and blueing. The advantage of a revolver is simple to use, simple to clean, and you can shoot all kinds of different .22 caliber ammunition in them without them jamming. You could hang that out your window loaded with Quiet .22 or other subsonic ammo basically the same speed as a pellet gun and probably get away with shooting it without alerting the neighbors. You could do the same with a semi automatic but it probably would have to be as a single shot. I wouldn't waste any money on Wrangler or heritage. The newer Ruger semi automatics that breakdown easy are really nice also. If you really want a revolver I would either hunt for a really nice old used Smith & Wesson or buy once and cry once for a new one.
That revolver is a Model 18-4 Combat Master .22, old gun, beautiful wood and blueing. The advantage of a revolver is simple to use, simple to clean, and you can shoot all kinds of different .22 caliber ammunition in them without them jamming. You could hang that out your window loaded with Quiet .22 or other subsonic ammo basically the same speed as a pellet gun and probably get away with shooting it without alerting the neighbors. You could do the same with a semi automatic but it probably would have to be as a single shot. I wouldn't waste any money on Wrangler or heritage. The newer Ruger semi automatics that breakdown easy are really nice also. If you really want a revolver I would either hunt for a really nice old used Smith & Wesson or buy once and cry once for a new one.
#30
Saltwater / Re: Recommend a stiff braided ...
Last post by FinsnFur - June 18, 2025, 05:36:01 PMI havent used many myself because once I found what I like I hate switching.
I use Suffix 832 in 15lb test when I can find it. But most places jump right to stocking the 20lb for some reason.
Both are close to a 6lb mono diameter.
I used to swear by SpiderWire until I found the Suffix. Then I realized that SpiderWires abrasion resistance was crap.
A friend talked me into trying Powerpro once and I hated it. It was stiff like you mentioned. So stiff that it was a bit weird to tie a palomer knot with.
I've never really had any backlash, tangles or tip wrap to speak of, but everything I use braid on is a baitcaster. I dont know if that make a difference or knot. <---see what I did there?
I use Suffix 832 in 15lb test when I can find it. But most places jump right to stocking the 20lb for some reason.
Both are close to a 6lb mono diameter.
I used to swear by SpiderWire until I found the Suffix. Then I realized that SpiderWires abrasion resistance was crap.
A friend talked me into trying Powerpro once and I hated it. It was stiff like you mentioned. So stiff that it was a bit weird to tie a palomer knot with.
I've never really had any backlash, tangles or tip wrap to speak of, but everything I use braid on is a baitcaster. I dont know if that make a difference or knot. <---see what I did there?