Went there today and this is what I got.
QuoteBoard closed Good hunting. LB
Is LB just working on it or si there something else going on with it?
I'm guessing it's gone. LB has taken a lot of shots lately and is probably sick of the BS.
He has mental health issues and can no longer interact with people in a reasonable manner. It's for the best, as he was becoming maniacally obsessive.
I seen LB was taking a bunch of shots on predator monsters. and somtimes on his own board. I guess people do not understand the concept that if you own the board then that owner is the boss. piss em off and you will get the boot. some thought it should be ran as a democracy rather a dictatorship. I thought LB was fair. never had a problem at all with him
The kettle calling the skillet black.
I don't think so. LB would provoke and antagonize people and when they would fight back he would cry foul and claim he was being attacked. His penchant for "victimhood" was simply a cry for attention. Hopefully he will get the professional attention he needs.
There was a lot of good info in some of those threads. Sorry to see it go away.
NASA is pretty close to the truth. LB has spent a lot of time angry over nothing or small somethings and lately been calling his site a "thankless" job. He was taking a few shots long before I started Snarks and Shreds, but he has always been willing to sling shit ten times harder than anyone ever did against him.
I don't think the knowledge base will be lost. The experienced predator hunters that posted on HM were kicked off other boards for their frankness and low tolerance for stupidity. They were willing to address ignorance and promote knowledge, but rejected stupidity. These people are still around and will gravitate to another board where they aren't censored, deleted, or threatened with banning on a never ending basis.
I seen some of what happened but really did not bother myself with how deep it actually went.
I certainly don't feel the need to stab him in the back, which more than likely will happen on a couple of boards, if it hasn't already.
I personally hate to see it go. There were a lot of coyote savvy hunters there, which is something that is lacking on most boards.
I hope LB does well now and gravitates over here. :wink:
this is what i heard, he got a new AR IN 17 Cal, and was going to be getting range time and would be unable to watch the board,,,
maybe :confused:
I always like the guy, Internet is a funny place
Well darn it! Bar all the strong personalities, I really like the type of folks that went there and more so, think it was the number one spot for the best info in th industry (You know unbiased and not controlled or diluted.)
I must have missed the post that lead up to this.
I got more good info from that board then any other when it came to calling and applying it. Maybe I needed to express that a lil more. :shrug:
Heck LB, just leave the porch light on and step away from it for a while. At any rate I'll sure miss ya HM'ers and hope to read some of your post else where.
Todd
Gary et al created a board where under the complete cloak of anonymity, anyone could say anything about anyone with little fear of reprisal and those too chicken shit to "man up" other places took complete advantage of it.
How typical of what the predator hunting community has become.
So Leonard isn't perfect. I'm betting he knew that before all those that decided to take pop shots at him behind their manly monster personas decided to tee off on him.
Over the years, Leonard provided a great board where a lot of folks could speak their minds in a way they would never be allowed to on other boards. He didn't charge anyone to advertise, he put up with a lot controversial topics and he paid for all of it out of his own pocket.
His board attracted some of the "best of the best", and it's gone now because of a board that attracts the "worst of the worst". It is a "proud" moment for predator hunters on the net.
Leonard, if you are reading this, Thank You, for the years of great reading. I didn't post a whole lot over there because with only 7 or 8 years of coyote hunting under my boots, I'm still a newbie, but I did learn a whole heck of a lot. Not only about predator hunting, but in the end, about predator hunters too.
Good luck sir. I hope you have a joyous holiday with your family. Know that there were some who appreciated what you gave us and thank you for the privilege of having been members of Huntmasters.
Al Woodard
THO Game Calls
Edited to add - I will donate 100 bucks to the FnF Bank if by the end of the weekend I am not called a Leonard Leg Humper on the Monster. It's what we've become. It's who we are. And it's really really sad.
Exactly what Todd and Al said.
To me ,it is/was the best board around, for real predator callers and hunters,period.
Leonard, take it easy and thank you for what you provided for us.
Huntmasters was where the best of the best predator hunters hung out. Any three of the top hunters there probably had a greater combined total of critters called than the combined total of the thousands on the biggest wannabe site.
They will keep on hunting because they have real lives, rather than Internet imitations. It is a loss of resource to the Internet because they will probably scatter to several boards.
Leonard seemed like a good hearted, opinionated curmudgeon who ran his site however he wanted. That worked reasonably well because it was clear, unlike the hidden rules that govern the soap opera gang.
My guess is that Leonard simply got tired of the hassle of running his site, that it became more effort than reward at this stage of his life. Sniping merely added annoyance near the end.
Gary's site is too rough in language to gain traction with hunting families etc. but it is the only source of straight, unfiltered information, though you have to sift through the invectives.
I like this site because I can relax and talk hunting and fishing. Enough people come here who feel the same that I can ignore the rest as a side show, rather than have agenda powered tension dominate every post like a ground fog throughout the site.
Regarding the side shows: has anyone else noticed that the Embarrassed Toad has removed the Faux Preau seller ad from his sig line? Is that to remove the blatant statement of conflict of interest? Or is it a sign of infighting among the manipulators?
Leonard, if you read here, thank you for your work and for a site I enjoyed and found valuable. I learned from many there, and learned several specifics from you. The quality of hunters who gathered there is a tribute to you that cannot be taken away.
QuoteGary's site is too rough in language to gain traction with hunting families etc. but it is the only source of straight, unfiltered information, though you have to sift through the invectives.
Smack dab in the middle of predator hunting season here are the threads started in the last two days on the Monster.
Solid predator hunting info and insight if there ever was any.
HM tits up?Looks like the psycho-puppy locked the barn and left.
Bearmanric= Whack job?PussgutNEW FOXPRO FURYAnd one of those threads was started by a member of this board. Why didn't he start a similar thread here? It wasn't because Skeltor thought he could hide behind his Monster persona is is? Mike wouldn't do that would he? Browning204? Nahhhhhhhhhhhh
Or is it because he knows that crap like that wouldn't fly here on FnF or even on HM let alone PM if he could post there.
Even MJM, one of the most level headed guys I've met on the "net" saw it for what it really is.
Man up or shut up. But hiding is a kids game. And hiding to hurt people is evil and just plain wrong. Even for monsters.
AL Woodard
THO Game Calls
Quote from: Okanagan on December 11, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
Huntmasters was where the best of the best predator hunters hung out. Any three of the top hunters there probably had a greater combined total of critters called than the combined total of the thousands on the biggest wannabe site.
Really? The best of the best?
I can tell you right now that it's not about numbers that makes a person a great predator hunter. It's about how well you do with what you have in front of you. A hunter in AZ or CA who kills 50 coyotes a year is likely no better than the guy in PA who kills 5. It's not about numbers.
LB and I mixed it up a few times. He's too set in his ways to really "Get it." But, I did like the guy. No matter how he pissed me off, there was something about him that was endearing.
Randy
Quote from: R Buker on December 11, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Really? The best of the best?
I can tell you right now that it's not about numbers that makes a person a great predator hunter. It's about how well you do with what you have in front of you. A hunter in AZ or CA who kills 50 coyotes a year is likely no better than the guy in PA who kills 5. It's not about numbers.
Randy
Agree completely. And that doesn't change my opinion expressed in my post: the core crew at HM are really good and really know their stuff.
THO, no quibble from me about rabble rousers, but hiding? There isn't much hiding going on over there, just manditorily different names with little effort to hide who the poster is. You have connected screen names from different forums, which shows how easy that is to do.
what you have done to me Todd is terrible. i have never done nothing to you . dont worry you hurt me deep in side. i found out yesterday about having my heart worked on the 22nd. and then to see what you have done to me yesterday on the monster. yes you made me cry knowing what the predator world think's of me now. do you know how it will be to face people now. you have made me and my wife life's a living hell. i've been sick to my stomache all summer waiting for what you were going to say next. i dont know were my life will go from here today. the few friend's. i have on here thank's for being there. take care every one. you couldnt hurt a person any worse.Rick
Rick,
I'm not a member of Predator Monstors nor will I ever be. I visited it once when it first started all its contraversity, but that was the extent of it. Anything that I need to say is done in the forums under my name with nothing to hide.
I hope all goes well with your heart Rick and sorry you and the wife are upset, but before you start pointing that unvalidated finger in "PM" fashion, you better find out who it is, that is realy posting about you over there. If for some chance they are using my name or saying they are me, direct me to the thread you refere and I'll address them myself.
Jeeze Todd, 'ol Rick really seems to have it in for you. Whatever happens, it's your fault. I can relate, though. That was the same treatment I was getting from RF over on PM. Whenever something went sour NASA got blamed. Now that I'm banned, he has to find someone else to blame. So far, he hasn't had any shortage of whipping boys. Must be somethin' in the water. :nono:
i posted it here because you started it at huntmaster's. and the unstable thing on pm. nasa have i wronged you. i gave you a badge at the expo being nice. i know i will be the bad guy here that's ok. i dont have it for todd. i told him i couldnt sell that call to a certain person because he said my wife get's the pipe layed to her by all my best friend's. you did some terrible thing's to me Todd. said what i had to say. Rick
I never met Leonard face to face. Talked to him on the phone a couple times is about all. But I've known him through the boards for roughly several years, going back to Posse Country.
Never really had any quibbles to speak of with him.
I'll agree he did have a collection of very seasoned hunters hanging at his place, and most of the information available over there was pretty good stuff, coming from some very knowledgeable folks.
I remember when I threw up my administration position at PM because the internal corruptness running ramped over there, they banned me because when the members started asking, "Why?"...I wasn't about to lie. :nono:
Leonard let me use HM to air the entire ordeal, which I really gotta say, felt so good in so many ways, just to get that out.
Rick,
That wasn't todd at Monster..Todd wouldn't post that way.
It's the infamous "browning204". Yes he will post that way because that's all he knows....stirring shit...when it comes to hunting threads you don't see him there, why??? cause he doesn't know shit...about killin a coyote.
Your a good hearted guy Rick, it was nice to meet ya in Kansas, don't let this guy's stupidity get ya down.
JD
maybe it will come back. yes had the best there. alway's looked toi see if steve craig has been there. Rick
And no....Bopeye...I haven't been drinking :nono: :biggrin:
Just really sick and tired of 204's posts anymore. All the stupid shit he says about foxpro and the leghumpers...comin from a guy that has never killed a coyote :shrug: :confused:
And for huntmasters board,,, that sucks hate to see it go.
JD
that's some terrible stuff to say. i just want to get along with Todd. there's alot of stuff that happened this summer. taking it's toll on me and my family. thank's canine. mean's alot. Rick
I will miss going to Huntmasters.
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Rick,
I don't dislike you, I don't hate you, and I don't attack you. If I posted on "PM" that you were unstable, its because I believe you are. It doesn't mean your bad person at all, your just all over the map with your post and replies, your feelings and your issues, and you think any and every post is directed at you, when it is not and you get all offended about it and make yourself look bad.
My post on HM was a vague reference to you and your involvement in an FP thread, that ya had no business being in, and the comment was something to the effect of "and one loony call maker in a pear tree". Nothing harsh I didn't think.
My conduct with you is civil and it always will be, but I'm not looking for you to be my friend or for you to get along with me, if you have to put forth an effort to do so.
I'm not sure where you got it in your head that its me attacking you on the other "PM" (Lol, I like that), but like JD mentioned (Thanks JD), thats not my style and anyone that knows me will tell ya so. Heck, you should know me better then that.
I'm gona leave it at that, as this was a "Hunt Masters" post, and not a Bearmanric/Todd post.
going to do the best i can to better myself todd. it wont be the same with huntmaster's. happened so quick. Rick
CCP you missed one. Predator Posse needs a headstone between the last two.
Rick, you've always done right with me, no complaints. Sometimes you're a flake, but I luv ya' man. :wink:
Quote from: THO Game Calls on December 11, 2008, 08:42:29 AM- I will donate 100 bucks to the FnF Bank if by the end of the weekend I am not called a Leonard Leg Humper on the Monster.
Well, is the F'n'F bank a hunert dolla' richer? :innocentwhistle:
Dont worry NASA, I will pay up.
It's funny, but the guy who brought this up on the Monster today is the same guy who I think I tried to help with his e caller over on Hunt Masters.
I give PM and Redfrog some credit. At least when they take shots at someone, they sign their names.
ySure, it's easy to firgure out who some of the players are over there but some not. In eiother case, You now have a place to go and show your true selves. If anyone ever wanted to see the worst of the hunting commounity, all they would have to do is go read Snarks and Shreds.
Yesh, we have had some real good knock down drag outs here, but there is a limit, not imposed by Jim, but by common decency. And no matter what at least here, you know who is who. Over there, you have to guess. And I think you guys like it like that. You dont have to man up to who you are when you show what you are.
Gary's board is for those who dont have the balls, or the brains to debate something in a public forum and stand behind thier words like real men. You get to play "monsters". You let people take shots at anyone they want to, and no matter what they have done for you in the past, or others, or even the hunting community, the monsters gang rape who ever they want. Anyone and everyone is farir game for the "monsters".
So you boys have your fun, and take your shots at me.
It wasn't too long ago NASA, you came to me for a couple of calls, and I made them, shipped them overnight for you so you could have them for a hunt and after all was said and done, what I charged you for the calls just barely paid for the materials. The shipping came out of my pocket, trying to help a fellow predator hunter out.
Now I'm an asshole.
But dont worry, my check will be in the mail to Jim in the morning.
Have a great holiday Nasa.
Al Woodard
THO Game Calls
Tell you what Nasa -
Let's make this interesting - say we double the bet - no, let's make it 1000 bucks.
How about you hand pick 5 or 6 of the Best of the Best and bring them along with GZ out here to New Hampshire. I will put them up, and show them 60,000 acres of public ground they can hunt on to their hearts content.
If the combinded group shoots more than 1 coyote, I will contribute 1000 buck to the FNF bank.
Yeah yeah, I know, silly idea. No one is going to come to NH to hunt coyotes. Why, because you know, if you took half those experts on the monster out of the west, the only thing they would be killing is time. But the offer is on the table. You can take it or leave it. If you leave it, I'll send my check.
AL Woodard
THO Game Calls
Al, my handle on the Monster board is Beetlejuice. I thought everyone knew that. I don't think you will find a single post authored by me that bashes you. I am probably one of the few that agree with you about how (years ago) many of the newbie wood spinners would copy a configuration you designed and posted. Even though they denied it, the comparison was obvious.
I didn't bring up this thread to chastise you. I have always thought of you as a friend, and hope that hasn't changed. I dragged it up as a friendly gig in the ribs of a friend. Maybe as a way to point out that all the monsters aren't A-holes, with nothing better to do than go on the attack at every opportunity. There are definitely a couple over there who do exactly that, but they are still there because that is a freedom that Gary refuses to deny members. The S&S forum is the only place on that site where you can say what you feel, whether it's right or wrong. Gary has an obsession for the literal definition of the Right to Free Speech. How can anyone not respect that? But you need to remember that being a member of a web site does not necessarily make someone a member of the "pack". Whether it's a leg humper or a gang banger it's a choice a person makes, not an automatic baptism.
Al, of all the calls I bought from you, there was one very special call you went out of your way to make for me. If I failed to show enough appreciation and gratitude for that kindness, I humbly appologize. It's been a few years since I've directed a post to you, but you should know that nothing's changed since the last one.
Here's wishing you and your family a happy and peaceful Christmas and New Year.
~ p.s.- I don't know how many "serious" pred hunters would take you up on your offer. Too bad, because a premier western desert coyote hunter would absolutely be in an alien environment in the heavy woods back east. Been there, tried it, and got totally frustrated. Desert tactics don't work in deep woods, plain and simple. But if you can scale down the offer, I'd enjoy letting you show me how to hunt in the trees.
Well, NASA - it's just funny how the post on the "monster" about this very subject showed up at 11 am this morning, and you come over here around 2 PM and post it as a "friendly dig"
It is a pack mentality, and to be honest, I always respected you and admired your contributions to predator hunting.
Today however, it looks a lot like you are just carrying water for Gary Clevenger and the boys. Might not be true, but it sure looks that way.,
Don't worry though, soon as the snow lets up here I will put the check in the mail. You can carry that back over there, though I am sure they are reading - none of them are man enough to post here and go toe to toe in a neutral environment.
Hate to say it once again, but Redfrog was right. I bet Monsters do look under their beds for him - if they sleep at all.
AL Woodard
THO Game Calls
I don't know about carrying water, but I consider Gary a friend also. Don't condemn him for trying to allow people to exercise their 1A rights. If anything, condemn the A-holes who abuse that right. Most of the monster dudes do not "hide" behind their handle. Those that do generally have something, or some reason, to stay hidden.
And you're right, I saw that post on Monsters and then came over here to poke ya'. It was inspiration, not maliciousness. I didn't think you'd see it as offensive. And BTW, I doubt that you were as serious about that bet as you were convinced that some imbecile over there would do the predictable and flash the leg humper gang sign. As you can see it's the "Fringe dwellers" who are into that. No one would fault you if you didn't didn't send Jim a check for the bank. But if I am wrong and you really intend to follow through with the bet, here's something else you can take to the bank. I'll match it.
I will drop the check in the mail when I do my shipping run in the morning.
Jim can post that he got it if he wants or not. It makes no difference to me at all.
As for the Free Speech aspect of the "monster" - what a bunch of sophomoric morons hiding behind the cloak of anonymity say under the guise of free speech says more about them than it does about the people they malign.
They truly do make hunters look like "monsters" to the general public. If that's the image Gary wants to portray in "the land of the banned" more power to him. He, and the people there, are dong more to hurt predator hunting, all hunting in general, than all the PETA HSUS types ever could. I don't have to condemn Gary for allowing people to exercise their First Amendment rights. They are doing a good enough job all on their own.
Al Woodard
THO Game Calls
Quote from: THO Game Calls on December 19, 2008, 03:47:05 PM
a bunch of sophomoric morons hiding behind the cloak of anonymity
Yes, they seem to be everywhere, don't they? What about their schizotypal counterparts on PM? Daddy Rabbit, White Eagle, and EastCoast Hunter are frantically trying to compensate for
their inferiority complex by categorically opposing anything that cannot be classified as hyper-extermist liberalism. Their fanaticism is no different from the ecaller bashers, the call maker bashers, and the internet celebrity bashers. With the advent of the internet message boards, these characters now have a platform to spew their hatred of themselves into everyones face. And the more they are rebuked the harder they cum. These are the non-typical leg humpers, because they hump their
own leg.
Every BIG forum has nut cases. Go to Knifeforums.com and see Whine and Cheese. Here's what it says:
"Whine & Cheese Not for the faint of heart - this forum is where the bastid's come to roost. If you are easily offended, have delicate feelings, sensitive eyes, or a heart condition, STAY OUT!!!!"
Those boys make PM and the monster board look tame.
You guys are crazy :nono:
I'm actually impressed that this whole thing didn't spin out of control..
My friendship with both of you is worth far more then you could ever contribute to the Members Bank, and watching you two talk this out civilized like you did is invaluable.
As much as I appreciate it, neither one of you owe the FnF Bank a thing. Actually you both over paid the place already with your display of respect for the forum in this post.
Cancel the bets and have Merry Christmas. :wink:
Jim, it's not a matter of "owing", it's a matter of "honor". Al is an honorable man. Dishonorable people don't hold that quality in any degree of respect. With this board you have surrounded yourself with folks that still believe that "Character Counts".
Have a great Christmas with the family, my friend.
My Grandpa used to say, "If'en you can't say somthin' nice, don't say anything at all."
Jim
every one have a great Christmas. i go in monday to get the heart worked on. there doing a stint or what ever they find. get out tuesday then rest a couple day's. then spend some quality time with my Family. have some great goal's for 2009. hopefuly every one get's along this week. take care every one. Rick :wink:
Hey bear . . .
Hope that all goes well for you!!
Jim
Prayers sent for ya.
Good luck with the surgery Rick. Hope all goes well with that and you have a Merry Christmas.
Pat
thank's guy's. just wishing every one get's along better this coming year. i'm excited going to be a great new year. Rick :wink:
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I see this has been carried back over to the Monster and as usual, things are getting nasty and on the side of being libelous.
Let's clear up a few things,
One, my check is in the mail
Two, Michael McCassland does not have SEVERAL of my calls unless he bought them from someone else. I made him two calls about 4 or 5 years ago.
As for my not selling calls to him, he, like most on the Monster, only tells the side that makes him look good. Here's the rest of the story. I wouldn't sell calls to Michael because he was a Moderator on PM. The reason for that is two fold.
1) I was strong armed, or at least someone there in administration, attempted to strong arm me into making calls for him, that he would have exclusive rights to, calls that not even I would be able to sell on my own. I refused. Why would I sell him calls for 10 or 12 bucks when I could sell all I make for 25?
He then wanted acrylic calls that he was going to have a sister in law engrave his company name on. Calls I made, whit his name on. I said no.
2) two moderators on PM bought calls from me in the call making forum, and failed to pay even after I had sent the calls.
One finally paid up, but to this day, the other still has not.
When a PM mod refuses to pay for items purchased, the members have absolutely no recourse. If you gripe about it on the open board, the post gets pulled and put in the back room.
If you gripe about in Private Message, the message gets posted again in the back room
When a vote to ban someone is taken, the very people who screw you over are allowed to vote.
To protect myself, I simply stopped doing business with moderators on PM. Now, not all of them were scumbags, and Michael paid me for the calls I sent him before they were even completed. His honor in that is very much intact. But there were some who could not be trusted. One is still a moderator there, one is not.
As for the non hunting thing, that is really wearing thin. You can do better than that.
Here is a picture of Dave Bakers first coyote ever, called in by me, in January of 2003. It was taken with Dave's camera. I never thought that I would have to take a camera with me to prove I went out hunting. Interesting. Especially since most days, at least here in NH, the odds of killing a coyote are as about as good as getting some form of decency out of one of the Monsters.
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As for people stealing my call designs, most of that was directed at one individual. The same individual who used another hunters pictures of killed coyotes with him cropped out of the photo, to promote his web site. However, there is a call in a collection in Alaska that is an exact copy of one of my calls, that was turned by a PM call maker and posted on E bay for sale. If it is wrong to take pride in your work, then please charge me as Guilty.
If Canine wants to give away the call he was given for participating in the coyote calling contest, that is his business. I dont care. There is, or at there was, at the time, some debate over whether he submitted a sound he recorded himself or one from one of the Calling in the East CD's. But, I defended him and he got his call anyway. For the guy who won the Coyote Calling Contest at the Expo, he has an opportunity to be an ambassador of our sport, but instead, he chooses to make a mockery of it.
Personally, I dont give a rats ass if you like me or not. I dont care if you want to beat me to death on the "monster" until the cows come home. The sad fact of the matter is, most, not all, but certainly most of the people who read the Monster take it for what it is. The land of the banned. And just like every jail in the world, every one there is innocent. I got banned from PM for three reasons. I know what they were, and except for one, I did them all. I was angry and frustrated for a long time. But I got over it. I can't say as I agree or disagree with anything that happens on PM now because I do not visit there. It's their board, and they can do with it as they please. I do think that some of the things said about them on the Monster are over the top. But, the monster is over the top. Free speech is fine, but if the members there tried to have one of the conversations they have in Snarls and Shreds in a public place, I dont think their rights to free speech would fly.
At any rate, again, have your fun, and take your shots. You will remain cranky people who want to pound your chest and make yourselves look important to your meager and idiotic peers. NASA is right, there are some good people on the monster. Not everyone there is there for the sport of taking shots at other hunters. But those that are, well, you have a reputation in the predator hunting community, and it isn't a good one. That's why a lot of you have been banned from one board or another. The real problem is, you have not taken responsibility for it yet. It took me a long time too, but really, in the end, it just isn't worth it.
Jim, please cash the check. It's a donation to your and this board, and is the least I can do for you're allowing me to have the band width to speak my peace.
Have a great day and good bye.
AL Woodard
THO Game Calls
Still selling everyone I make, no matter what some people think.
THO (AL) I've said it before and I'll say it again... you will always be a stand up guy in my book. You have to prove nothing, screw 'em !
very well spoken. it's the truth. have a great Christmas Al. Rick
Well, here we are, just like old times, predator hunters squabbling about the finer details, etc.
First, Jim Champion and I do go back a ways on Predator Masters, until they sacked me as Administrator back in 2001, that is. Dang, was it that long ago? He wasn't involved, Jim is a good guy, fair and honest to a fault.
That brings us to the subject at hand, which is legitimate message boards. Monster may believe they have some noble purpose in the exercise of free speech, but with it comes some responsibility. Apparently, hiding behind a bogus screen name appeals to a certain element, which then gives them the platform to spout their hostility. Now, is this really what the hunting community is most in need of? I believe in free speech as much as the next guy, but it is apparent that there are some that take the freedom and abuse the privilage. So, this is the motivation, a message board where anarchy reins supreme.
I have been the subject of abuse over there many times. I thought the owner had changed direction and I tried to participate a little bit, which in hind sight, was a mistake. There are a few genuinely disturbed people on that board, or perhaps, they become disturbed whenever they log in, and that's the problem. It started out with some stupid crap called the Blob, which I can't adequately describe the concept behind it, but it allowed anyone to be the Blob, make a post, and then somebody else could be the Blob and make a post expressing a completely different point of view. Still with me? Okay, that feature is gone now and they are still tinkering with a few bells and whistles, but the initial discord remains, especially in the forum that they call snarks and shreads. Just reading some of that vitriol, normal people feel dirty.
Anyway, to get to the point; I would have lost a hundred dollar bet just like THO did. And, (give me a break) one of their members comes in here to rib Al, as a friend; not as a $hit stirer. Couldn't keep it over there in that cess pool? He comes in here, and goodnaturedly teases ol' Al. Sure. Whatever?
Don't allow me to change the direction of the conversation, I'm just saying that THO made what I would have considered a safe bet. The fact that one of those people didn't actually call him a leg humper is amazing. Never mind that I hardly know the man, but the way things are on monster, you really expect to see that response, in the same vein as, no good deed goes unpunished. The "group think" is that if you say something nice about another human being, you are labeled a leg humper. That should tell you a little bit about the board and the people it attracts, because you truly are known by the company you keep, just like your mom told you years ago.
And, finally. If we are seraching for a reason why Huntmasters closed the doors for a week or so, I'm not saying, and wouldn't give them the satisfaction, but could you blame me, if it was? I'd almost be willing to bet another hundred dollars that this will be cut and pasted over there. Anybody doubt it? :innocentwhistle:
Good hunting. LB
Talk and discussions on the various boards regarding the "Monsters" is simply adding fuel to the fire. Leave them be, and without attention they'll eventually implode and feed on one another.
Al, A mockery huh...well first, yes, I would give up that call because of the shit you pulled several moths ago.
Second..I guess I should thank you for sticking up for me, but that sound was recorded on my computer and yes it sounds similar to the one on OUR (Brent and I's) sound CD's. I never knew there was a controversey about it, other than Jim thinking Brent had entered a sound, he's hunted with him and recognized it, well, Brent and I hunt together, we call alot alike, that is where the so called controversy your trying to imply I was a cheater came from.
JD
Merry Christmas all.
Al, I've called coyotes in 22 states now and I would like to make New Hampshire #23. That is a beautiful animal in the photo that you posted. Have you heard from another NH caller that used to post as DOD?
Hey JD, I wish a very Merry Christmas to you and your family. Tell that boy of yours HI! from Tyler and me.
Hi Rich!! I wish you all out in sunny Arizona a Merry Christmas too. I hope all is well for you, I'll tell Thane you guy's said hi.
Take care
JD
Rich,
Dave Baker is DOD. He moved to Upstate New York a few years ago.
A few weeks after Dave shot that coyote, we hunted that spot again, and I called in his first red fox. He got that one too.
After that, we started calling that spot Dave's Fur Farm - I miss hunting with DOD. We had some good times together and the guy was a hell of a shot and woodsman.
That area has always been good to me. The very first time I took Browning out, in the next field up from the one DOD got his first in, Browning204 got his first shot at a called in coyote too.
Nice to hear from you Rich.
AL Woodard
THO Game Calls
Canine, yes, I am ignoring your post. It isn't worth responding to. You only show up over here when you want to cause trouble anymore. The Monster suits you better. You should stay over there.
Al...THO...= :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Thanks THO.Glad I could piss ya off :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
JD
(troublemaker) :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
have a happy christmas Al :eyebrownod:
Mr. Leonard, welcome to FnF.
Thank You for the PM Canine.
QuoteYour such a dousche bag...
When all the up and coming young folk out there want to meet the Coyote Calling Champion of the World at next years Expos, this is the man their parents are gong to indtroducing them too.
Al Woodard
THO Game Calls
Hey Al...DB...I'm not the world calling champion........
That would be John Paul Moody..
Get your propaganda straight...
JD
Quote from: Rich Higgins on December 20, 2008, 03:52:21 PMAl, That is a beautiful animal in the photo that you posted.
Rich, maybe we can get a group discount rate to NH. :wink: I would keep a pelt like that, too.
Quote from: THO Game Calls on December 20, 2008, 05:55:51 PM
The very first time I took Browning out, in the next field up from the one DOD got his first in, Browning204 got his first shot at a called in coyote too.
That is true, I grossly misjudged the distance and shot right under the animal, I think we guesstimated the shot was about 300 yards. Not really a shot us N.Eastern guys are used to taking.
Gonna get slammed with snow tomorrow, hopefully I can get out during CHRISTmas break but am not counting on it. I Still have NO power 1 week and 1/2 now. I have been bumming showers and computer access off of family in the area.
Quote from: coyotehunter_1 on December 20, 2008, 07:07:30 PM
Mr. Leonard, welcome to FnF.
I would like to add my welcome to Leonard also. Glad you brought your board back to life.
Oops........I gotta be careful....... or I'll get labeled a Leonard Leg Humper too. :roflmao:
"Hate to say it once again, but Redfrog was right. I bet Monsters do look under their beds for him - if they sleep at all."
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