How long do you stay on stand?

[alscalls]

Anymore I will stay an hour or so on the same stand, all the mags have always said 15- 20 min. or so...... I have called in more than one that did not show for an hour or so. Or at least they did not get vocal till then.
What do you guys do, and what is your success with it?               AL
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[Bopeye]

Excellent site Al. 

Interesting subject you have. We rarely call less than 45 minutes depending on a lot of different things. Terrain, weather, location, etc.
It hasn't been unusual for us to stay on stand well over an hour. Many disagree, but it has paid off.
If it's just a numbers game then run n gun and who cares about educating them.
However, if trying to get the coyotes in that area..........call 'em in. Sometimes no matter what though, they will not come in. 

[alscalls]

I try and set up where the terrain will only allow the coyote to almost get down wind of me and I get a lot of hang ups just out of sight of course and almost downwind. This year the hang ups have been worse than in years past. I think they are evolving on me to a point.
So for now I call a lot quieter and longer if nothing happens........then I make em mad at me with my howlers!
In doing so I have noticed that some of these dogs will wait a long time before responding.
dog gone it I wish I could be out right now I am getting the itch real bad!
I'll be back out this week for sure. Now tell one of your jokes I've been reading alot of them so be carefull........ :roflmao:

[yucca]

10-12 minutes max.  Even if I kill one early in the stand I still stay the full 10-12. Try to get a least 25 stands on a good day.

[BigB]

20 minutes max for me.  After a series of howls, and a couple routines of bunny distress, if I don't see anything, I start looking to exit.  I think though that the time spent on a stand depends on if you are in thick cover, or in open terrain.  I usually set up to where I like to see at least a 1/4 if not 1/2 mile in front of me, so if I don't see anything in about 20 minutes, there usually isn't anything in that area.  I have stayed longer on a stand in thicker cover, and it has payed off.  For some reason, they come in slower while in thicker cover, or it may just seem that way since you can't see too far in front of me.  I am very famiiliar with the territory that I call and have been hunting it for over 20 years.  Some think that spending less than 20 minutes is far too little time on a stand, but I know if they are not at that spot, then I probably know where they are and will go to that area.  Here's a favorite place of mine.  Notice the wide open territory.  If I don't see movement in this wide open area in about 10 minutes, then they probably are off hunting the next section or 2 away. 



Everyone has their own strategy and opinion on this topic, so try several things and use what you are comfortable with.  I'd rather go to a new spot after 20 minutes and try a fresh area than sit in 1 location for an hour at a time.  Sometimes it pays off, other times I don't see a thing no matter how long I sit on a stand.

[FinsnFur]

  Mannnnnn! I'm no pro...but terrain plays a huge role in the answer to this.
And as always coyotes cant read, so they rarely play by the rules.

35 to 45 minutes up here. Keep in mind if they aint buried in the snow next to us, they surely heard us coming in. Which means they got a long wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to come.

I cant even tell you how many times I've had a local ask me if I was in such and such place calling coyotes on a certain date and time. When I say, "yeah why?"...I get a, "I seen a coyote run across the road heading for the bluff, and I told so and so Champion must be up there calling coyotes."

I used to think they was playing me, but the accuracy of my location and the direction the coyote was headed, was to ironic. Especially when I park the truck a mile down the road and walk the creek in.

In the East...you'll have to have patience. These yotes aint, I say these yotes aint dumb.

[CCP]

Mannnnnn! I'm no pro...but terrain plays a huge role in the answer to this.

No truer words were spoken.  I scout almost everywhere I hunt and have a pretty good Idea of where I think the coyotes are at. I make my setup as close to where I think they are with in reason. So the coyotes don't have very far to come so 15 to 20 min is usually my time limit. It will only take a few min for them to close the distance then 5 or 10 more min to close those last few yards to come into view.

Now there are a few setups where we sit longer. These setups are usually when we are trying to get the sound from one farm we have access to and to another farm down the road we don't have access to. In these cases we want them to have time to get through all the obstacles to get to us.

If it's just a numbers game then run n gun and who cares about educating them.

Bopeye we agree on many things but this ain't one of them. I don't think  a short set helps educate them. If you are not there when the coyote comes he has had no bad experience. I think the bad experience that educates them is more when he hears the caller and sees and smells the human. Then he is more prone to identify one with the other. This is usually the result of a bad setup not length of setup.

Now I have tried both ways long and short stands and for me mid length stands seem to be more productive for me.. I think the best advice is try both in your area and see which one gives the best results for you.

[HaMeR]

 

I think the bad experience that educates them is more when he hears the caller and sees and smells the human. Then he is more prone to identify one with the other.

  What if the coyote rolls in as you are leaving & either sees or winds you? Do you think that coyote will only be somewhat educated? Just wondering.    I guess that would be where a different sound on the next setup in that general area would come in handy. 

[alscalls]

WOW! I new opinions would vary but this seems to be a subject that could never end for all of us I usually hunt at night and in heavy cover I guess I should have explained that I have been doing this a long time and I am just trying to see if you guys know something I dont.
I want to learn all I can about coyotes when I can not hunt. You guys are helping and I want to hear more on this.....
What is your opinions on why coyotes hang up and howl and carry on just out of sight?
AL
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[CCP]

What if the coyote rolls in as you are leaving & either sees or winds you?

Good point but this can happen weather you are there 5 min or 5 hours.  If you are not calling at the time maybe your just the guy that beat him to his rabbit. If the coyote sees or smells you while hearing the sound I believe he can possibly  identify one with the other. If there is no sound during the time he sees or smells you than he only identifies with what he sees at the time.

I ain't no expert and surly don't know what a coyote thinks. I do however think even if he sees you and smells you and hears the rabbit at the same time it still takes more than one experience to make the connection.  The more time I give him to see me and make the connection the more apt he is to make that connection. This is why we don't hang around after the setup talking we just get on outa there.

If a guy stays longer than I and is successful I surly aint gonna tell him he is wrong for doing so. I can only give him the reason that I do what I do.

[CCP]

I usually hunt at night

I probably couldn't be any help because I don't night hunt here it is not legal here. I have night hunted in the past but dont have enough consistent kills to give  definite answers on the subject.

What is your opinions on why coyotes hang up and howl and carry on just out of sight?

I have only had this happen to me a few times. when it has happened it is almost always in my mind that I setup wrong.

[possumal]

As others have posted, it depends a lot on the terrain.  Around here, we don't have the choice of stopping one stand and walking or riding a 4 wheeler from 1/4 to 1/2 mile to another location.  Most farms I hunt are only good for 1 or 2 stands depending on the volume used and wind conditions.  I have to go over several fences or through several gates back to the truck and drive several miles to another farm.  A lot of good coyote hunters believe in 15 or 20 minutes as max, and they want to make as many stands in a given period of time as they can, making it a numbers game.  I agree with Randy Anderson on this subject that you leave a lot of coyotes in the field with that approach.  Given the fact that I always give them a few minutes quiet time before I start calling, and have killed a bunch that come in on the sneak after I have stopped calling, I seldom ever stay less than 30 minutes on a stand. If I am dealing with a particularly paranoid coyote or pair, I might go to a lot of trouble to make one really good setup.  I would make one really good stand than a dozen just for the sake of numbers.  That approach has worked good for me in central Ky..

[HaMeR]

Thanks!! That makes sense to me.   

[alscalls]

How do you post a photo here?, I want to show you guys something...
AL
http://www.geocities.com/alscalls/coyote.html

[iahntr]

 Here ya go, copied it from the Forum issue and question section

First:
1) Save your pictures into a file on your computer somewheres like "My Pictures".

2) Goto www.photobucket.com and create an account.(its free)

3) Once created, goto "My Album" and click "browse". (this will allow you to find your pics)

4) Select your pic. and click submit (you can select multiple pictures if you want)

5) Once uploaded onto their site find the properties to that pic and hit "control c" (at the same time) which will copy it for you on your computers clipboard and then come over here and create a new thread.

6) Once you have a new thread started hit "control v" (at the same time) and that will paste it here for you.

Make sure that you have [ img ] before the property and [ /img ] after.



Resizing using Photobucket:

If you are using Photobucket, All you need to do Is...... Click on the edit button. Scoll down to where it says resize. Select 75%, 50% , or 25% of original photo size and select resize.

Please resize to less than 600 pixels wide other wise it will spread the screen.

[alscalls]

Thanks, I am working on it.

[alscalls]

I do not know what you mean by new thread I guess, I am not new to this PC thing but for some reason I can not get my photos to work here, Do I have to use photo bucket?
I will try again later.
http://www.geocities.com/alscalls/coyote.html

[iahntr]

I guess the photo bucket route is the only way I'm familiar with. The part about new thread is just
meaning when you start a new topic, or when you hit the reply button to post something.
Do you have a photo bucket account set up?

[HaMeR]

Hi Al. You don't need photobucket unless you want to post several pics in the same topic like when you're telling the story about the hunt. If it's just one pic use the Additional Options tab below the reply box on the left.  Click on that. It will show a "Browse" tab. Click there to open your pictures on your computer. Select the pic you want by right clicking on it & choosing select. Then hit the
Post" tab!!  

[iahntr]

Show off !   


That's cool, I wasn't aware of that route.
I may just hafta remember that one too.
Like ya said, if ya just wanna post one pic.
Thanks Glen.