I'm trying to figure out where Briggs and Stratton would hide the alternator on an old 110
I've got a 1856 John Deer rider that wont hold a charge and the blades actually kill the battery if it takes me too long to mow :doh2:
I've searched Google and cant find squat.
That motor may have a stater and may be under the flywheel,but it should have an external regulator somewhere mounted on the tractor itself.That is the best I can do with out having my hands on it
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Here you can feel these pictures :laf: And my mistake, it's a John Deere 111 :doh2:
Karl Childers was pretty good at tinkering with lawnmowers. When he wasn't swinging a sling blade. :biggrin:
Karl Childers (Thornton) is a mentally disabled man from Arkansas who has been in the custody of the state mental hospital since the age of 12 for having killed his mother and her lover.
Ask a simple question get a simple answer :innocentwhistle: :laf:
The charging system will run off the magnet that is in the flywheel.The stater rarely goes bad.I am not sure where the regulator is but you need to start somewhere,so let me ask a few questions
Is your Battery good? Did ya check that?
I've bought a new battery every season for the last 3 years thinking they were all junk, now I'm convinced it's something else.
Get Model number off motor and Google, should be able to find info there. cc
...wait a sec....you arent Karl Childers are you?
http://www.willardssmallengines.com/alternator_chart.html
As you can see they do call it an alternator and it is under the flywheel,some regulated and some not
I hope that helps
Holy crap I'm gonna have to get into the roller cabinet
Well Yeah :laf:
When was the last time you gave that engine a bath? :rolleye:
Jerry
Right before I took the pics, why?
That battery dont look new....... :nono: ........... try giving it a full charge then see what ya got going on..... :eyebrownod:
We may keep ya from having to tear in to it too bad that way......
Oh..... and while yer re- cleaning that thing....... clean the terminals and bolts real good. :wink:
If you do get to the fly wheel...... try cleaning the rust and dirt off the magneto....... you will see it.....I hope......
That small black wire that comes down from behind the starter should come from the alternator ( I've always considered it a stator as well ) and depending on the model may have a fusible link or diode at the connection to that orange? (hard to tell what color it was) wire. Check to see if you have 12 volts on one or both sides of that connecter with the engine running. If you have power on the alternator side of the link but not the other then the link is bad, if there is no power at all then the alternator is bad but that is rare. Hope that helps!
Al, that battery is exactly one year old last week. This is the first year in the last few that I said...no mo! :noway: In fact there's three more setting in the shop so new the lead isnt even scratched on the posts.
Shadragger you might be on to something :wink: Or at least you make it sound like it :eyebrownod:
I know what I'm doing tomorrow :biggrin:
As the guys said.......the alternator being bad is rare......... If the battery sat all winter it is low on charge.
With these new (cheaper made) batteries......If your mower is not charging at the proper rate in combination with the battery being low.... you could be charging at a slower rate than the power you are using. (More Common and a easier fix) :wink:
Think of it as band with or something you know more about and you will get it....... :laf: :laf:
I have to charge my mower, tractor, and ATV'S, batteries once or twice over the winter months to keep them healthy......
Usually the second charge is due to a similar problem as you describe. :wink:
As a side note on battery chargers, this is the best money I ever spent. I use it on my motorcycle, ATV, generator, or any 12v battery.
Deltran Battery Tender Plus
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The battery tender Semp posted is the best brand but you can get a Schumatter (sp) for about 20 bucks at wally world and it will do the same thing. I have one for each of my batterys. When the season is over for that battery I take it out and hook it to the charger. I leave mine hooked up all winter and have had no problems with premature battery failure. I get about 6 years out of a battery.
The chargers I have can also be mounted in the vehicle/equipment that you are using. Makes it handy when all you need to find is an extension cord cause the charger is already there.
Quote from: alscalls on May 12, 2010, 06:36:21 AM
As the guys said.......the alternator being bad is rare......... If the battery sat all winter it is low on charge.
With these new (cheaper made) batteries......If your mower is not charging at the proper rate in combination with the battery being low.... you could be charging at a slower rate than the power you are using. (More Common and a easier fix) :wink:
Think of it as band with or something you know more about and you will get it....... :laf: :laf:
I have to charge my mower, tractor, and ATV'S, batteries once or twice over the winter months to keep them healthy......
Usually the second charge is due to a similar problem as you describe. :wink:
It has been spoken, let it be written, NOW it is law. :laf:
So let it be written,
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So let it be done!
(didn't want to change the movie theme, but Bopeye forced it - was going to ask if that Deere cuts with a Kaiser Blade, mmmmm, mmmmm)
It dont cut, I say it dont cut much of anything right now Dave :sneer:
Looks like I'll be opening her up. Shadragger that wire actually ran into the dash cluster.
See if this helps...
Where'd you get that?
I dont know if there's going to be a difference or not, maybe in the age, but mines not hydrostatic. She's an old one with a gear jammin clutch.
Find that diode on your tractor and start there
I am not sure how it will be connected plug in,screws holding wire ends on,or it is an inline fuse
once you disconnect it you can check it with an ohm meter
QuoteWhere'd you get that?
Google search :biggrin: I'm not heavy into small engines but I have had my share of seat time on tractors. :laf:
That schematic shows points/condenser (no electronic ignition) so it should be an older model. Most go by year model or Ser. #
Hopefully it's the same layout as ours (minus electric clutch).
I had about the same thing happen once. I found some of the ground lugs were corroded where they bolt to the frame, I had voltage but lost my ground. It took quite a while to find under all the dirt and rust. :innocentwhistle:
OK piss on it mine runs fine.......... :wink:
Quote from: alscalls on May 12, 2010, 09:10:55 PM
OK piss on it mine runs fine.......... :wink:
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CoyoteHunter definitely makes a good point about the ground lug being a possibility. One way to find the charging wire is to find the + wire from the battery to the solenoid. The charging wire will be a small wire that connects to the same solenoid post as the + battery wire. Chase it from the solenoid back to the connecter at the engine. If you have an amp gage you can backtrack from there as well.
Quote from: coyotehunter_1 on May 12, 2010, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: alscalls on May 12, 2010, 09:10:55 PM
OK piss on it mine runs fine.......... :wink:
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Diane's neighbor has a JD111 & I would ask him for ya but he's too big a jack wad to waste my breath on anymore. Besides he would just lie to me again.
Shaddragger, you were right about that wire. When I looked the other day I kind peered down in there with a flashlight.
Tonight I started taking stuff apart looking for for everything that has a wire connected to it. :eyebrownod:
I found the starter solenoid under the battery tray, took that out, took the solenoid out, took off the charging wire, replaced it completely, cleaned up the solenoid and remounted it, and put all the wiring back to it.
I got the battery ground back on, started to work on the positive side and as soon as I touched the post with the terminal end of the wire she arced :holdon:
I thought holly crap something is drawing bad.
I touched them together again for a couple seconds to make sure I was only touching the battery post and didnt short on anything else, and all of a sudden the sweetest smelling smoke you ever seen in your life started drifting up out of the flywheel in a slow motion mesmerizing dreamy like state. :laf:
Well at least we figured out what it was. :sneer:
So what shorted out Jim
What actually burned up
My guess is either the alternator, or a wire to it or in it. I'm gonna get another mow out of it before I open it up, it still runs I just have to charge the battery first.
Maybe you will get lucky and the wire just burnt off and you can replace it and all will be fine :shrug:
And if your luck runs like mine you will have burnt up the most expensive piece or it is no longer available :laf:
QuoteAnd if your luck runs like mine you will have burnt up the most expensive piece or it is no longer available :laf:
That's ok... spare parts are available... Diane's neighbor has a JD111 :eyebrow:
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Good thing you know where spare parts are, because usually when the factory-installed smoke is released, its pretty much done! :doh2: Chances are it was the diode that burned up. Some models are replaceable, some aren't. Get your wiring straight, making sure to check for melted wire, and bypass the diode ( if you can locate it, some were built in to the last part of the alternator, some were in the wire ) with a buttsplice- it may overcharge a little but if it works at all its worth a shot !
Factory installed smoke :alscalls: They do that on purpose?
Quote from: shaddragger on May 13, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
usually when the factory-installed smoke is released, its pretty much done! :doh2:
That's funny. :alscalls: :alscalls:
Pat
Quote from: coyote101 on May 14, 2010, 05:40:52 AM
Quote from: shaddragger on May 13, 2010, 10:10:45 PM
usually when the factory-installed smoke is released, its pretty much done! :doh2:
That's funny. :alscalls: :alscalls:
Pat
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