Well I finally went and got that out of the way, and now i am not sure What i want to carry. Any of you guys have any Ideas. I liked the way the taurus pt111 fit my hand but I believe it is a little big, I also liked the 12 round mag. The Taurus slim was thin and would be easy to carry, but I have heard some mixed thoughts on taurus. I liked the kel tec pf 9, do not know a lot about them, and then there is the the Ruger light carry revolver and the smith bodyguard revolver. I think i I am leaning toward the smith bodyguard. Well you guys know how it is I go in the gun shop and want one of each. Any thoughts on any of these or any other good carry guns. I am thinking if it is small light and easy to conceal i will carry it more. Well of to work thanks.
I'd lean towards a sawed off Bennelli 12 ga :laf:
It's not allowed here but if I could, I think I'd want a small 9 :wink:
The secret to concealed carry is to actually carry a handgun. :eyebrownod: So you are thinking right with the "small light and easy to carry it more" thought.
A hand cannon in your safe does you no good on the mean streets. So back to the question. What to carry. Of the ones you mentioned, the S&W bodyguard is an excellent choice as is the Ruger. Revolvers are under appreciated these days me thinks. They are simple and highly reliable when, under the extreme stress of a shooting, your hearing shuts down and tunnel vision sets in. No safeties and levers to fool with just pull and fire.
The Kel-Tec PF-9 is the lightest, flattest 9mm made. The newer ones have the bugs worked out so it should be reliable. I have not owned one so I don't know for sure, only what I read about them.
IMHO, the most reliable 9mm would be the Glock. Either model 17, 19, or 26. It is a bigger package to carry though. Rock solid is how I would describe it. Load the 9mm with quality hollow points and it works well for self defense.
I don't usually recommend a 1911 to people for concealed carry. It takes more training and is a much larger package and harder to conceal. But if you're thoroughly familiar with it and will actually carry it, the 1911 is the way to go.
I carry a S&W model 39 single stack 9mm. 8+1 in the tube. It's thin and small enough to carry concealed without much of a print. Summertime is the hardest time to carry because of the lighter clothes you wear. Inside the pants with your shirt hanging over it works best then.
Here is something to think about ...
If you can't get your auto out in the clear where it can work; it's nothing more than a single shot.
Hammerless revolvers can be emptied from inside a pocket.
I have been thinking about picking up the rugar lcr they came out with the other year.
I think it depends on what your "need" is and your comfort level. I have a little Kel-Tec .380 with a laser on it that is more of a "piss someone off" that kill them, but around here that is about all that I think I would really need. Around here the site of a firearm or a little red dot on your chest will take care of most problems. I have never really felt I needed to worry about the streets of town. I also have a .357 Smith with a 2 1/2 inch barrel that is easy to conceal and carry that would be better if I really thought that I would be in a shootout. Finally, I have a compact Glock in .40 that I also have concealed holsters for. I don't have a concealed carry holster for the Colt 1911. The bigger the gun the less convenient it is to carry, but if I were thinking that I would be in a situation where my life depended (or possibly depended on it) I would go with the larger caliber.
Jerry
P.S. Like Jim said, there is nothing like the end of a shotgun to get someone's attention.
Quote from: Hawks Feather on November 03, 2010, 10:15:47 AM
.................. if I really thought that I would be in a shootout.
If I really thought I was going to be in a shootout I'd take this....... :eyebrownod:
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I carry a S&W lady smith 38spc with pachymaier (sp) grips. yeah it says lady smith on the side but I figure the baddie on the other end aint too worried about that.
My point, accetiable weight and easy to carry so I carry it. Lots lighter and easier to hide than either Ruger P89 or P90 that I have.
I carry the 4'' xd in 40 S&W. I carry outside the pants and don't really worry about printing. The gun has been very reliable to date with 0 ftf or jams. If I had to do it again I would have bought a compact or maybe even a subcompact.
The wife has a S&W 642 in 38 and this little gun is perfect. Easy to use, lightweight, and has plenty of punch. It's a little harder to shoot than the xd because of the short barrel and harder trigger pull, but would be a great gun to carry every day.
What every you decide on shoot it a bunch.
Wow thanks for all the replies. I am really starting to lean toward the smith bodtgard 38, it has a lazer on it and well most times the dancing red light will get the job done. I have a Glock 34 and love it, my buddy has one of there subcompacts but it is a little big to conceal, and a little heavy.
Man the more i look I want one of each. :confused:
I carry a S&W Airweight .38, I use .38+P ammo and usually use a pocket holster in pants or shorts, very light and easy to conceal at anytime of the year..I found when I used a heavier .357 S&W I rarely carried it due to weight and size:
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Not a hijack attempt here johnoh...just a related question :wink:
Can you walk into a school, business, or other public building with a conceal carry, that has a sign on the front door stating "No Weapons"?
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 05, 2010, 06:06:28 AM
Can you walk into a school, business, or other public building with a conceal carry, that has a sign on the front door stating "No Weapons"?
Sure you can walk in carrying, but you get arrested if you get caught. Even someone without a concealed carry license can, but they too get arrested if they are caught.
Jerry
I recommend this site for a brief description of the rules of each state and what your CCP or LTCF permit is good for in other states. http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Were not allowed to carry in schools or court houses jim. any other place is legal but the owner of an establishment is allowed to tell you to leave if they dont like you carrying.
Quote from: bigben on November 05, 2010, 09:48:16 AM
any other place is legal but the owner of an establishment is allowed to tell you to leave if they dont like you carrying.
The secret to concealed carry is to keep the gun concealed. :laf:
well yeah I know that but he asked what could happen if we carried into a bussiness. if they would notice that you are carrying even concealed they may ask you to leave.
Just funnin' with ya. :eyebrownod:
I've seen guys carrying "concealed" that printed the gun something awful. :laf: Didn't leave much to the imagination. :nono:
QuoteI've seen guys carrying "concealed" that printed the gun something awful. laff Didn't leave much to the imagination.
Semp you still talkin firearms?? :alscalls:
Quote from: Semp on November 05, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Didn't leave much to the imagination. :nono:
Yeah, seen women dressed like that .... dressed to kill you could say! :eyebrow:
Quote from: CCP on November 05, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
QuoteI've seen guys carrying "concealed" that printed the gun something awful. laff Didn't leave much to the imagination.
Semp you still talkin firearms?? :alscalls:
Yep, but your mind is thinking Brokeback LBL. :alscalls:
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 05, 2010, 06:06:28 AM
Not a hijack attempt here johnoh...just a related question :wink:
Can you walk into a school, business, or other public building with a conceal carry, that has a sign on the front door stating "No Weapons"?
No you cant cary in schools any bars or busnisses that have a sign up.
Or a courthouse, and in OH if you get pulled over anything you have to tell the officer if you are carrying or not. I was in a different gun store today and i noticed something, all the guns there were trying to get me to put them in my safe. He has a nice bolt action 50 caliber rifle with a 20 power scope and bypod for 3200, but I could no find a holser to fit it in. :wink:
Quote from: Semp on November 05, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Just funnin' with ya. :eyebrownod:
I've seen guys carrying "concealed" that printed the gun something awful. :laf: Didn't leave much to the imagination. :nono:
Hmmmm I wonder if Im printing..one of the girls in my office asked me "is that a S&W Airweight .38 in your pocket or are you just glad to see me".... :innocentwhistle:
Quote from: nastygunz on November 06, 2010, 01:57:19 AM
Hmmmm I wonder if Im printing..one of the girls in my office asked me "is that a S&W Airweight .38 in your pocket or are you just glad to see me".... :innocentwhistle:
Does she prefer those who pack left or right? :alscalls: :alscalls: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Quoteone of the girls in my office asked me "is that a S&W Airweight .38 in your pocket or are you just glad to see me"....
Airweight? Was she doing this when she asked? :hahaha:
For concealed carry I too am a fan of Kel-Tec pistols. I really prefer my 1911, but it is just so bulky and heavy that if it were my only pistol I would frequently leave it at home. I have an older Kel-Tec P-11 that is probably my most frequently carried pistol. It is a 9 mm and holds 11 rounds. With the belt clip it is easily tucked into my waistband with the belt clip over the waistband and under my belt at the three o'clock position on my right hip. Very reliable and very easy to carry. The Kel-Tec P3AT is even smaller and makes a good pocket gun. It is .380 cal.
Buy one of each of the ones you think you will like, carry them for a while, and decide which you like best. Can't have too many, don't you know!?!?
Jim
I want to revisit this and hear more from those of you carrying about your concealment. Which method or holster are you using and why?
I'm wondering if I'm going to want more then one holster for different situations, or maybe thats a gimme anyway. :shrug:
Inside the pants holsters..how bad do they suck?
Here is what I am currently carrying. A Kel Tec PF-9 with a Crimson Trace laser.
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I usually just drop it in a pocket with no holster or stuff it in my waist band.
If you want to go the inside the waist band route, try a Milt Sparks VM-2 or a Crossbreed Super Tuck. I use the VM-2 with a 1911 and the Crossbreed with a Glock.
I looked at those Kel-tecs for over two hours over on Impact Guns (http://www.impactguns.com/) last night, and fell in love with them.
I also read somewhere exactly what you described them as, Semp. The smallest, flattest, lightest, compact 9 on the market.
Reviews were up and down, but the majority of them were above average. Downfalls consisted of jams.
I love the way they are priced, and I'm almost without a doubt going to go with a Kel-tec. Just not sure how I want to carry it.
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 26, 2011, 02:58:19 PM
Downfalls consisted of jams.
I think the earlier versions of the PF9 had some problems but they seemed to have worked out the bugs on the recent production models.
I've had no problems with jams on my PF9. But you have to make a strong effort not to limp wrist the gun. The small auto loaders do not function well with a weak grip.
You callin me limp wristed? :huh:
LOL, actually I did read that in a couple reviews too. The gun gives a brutal kick for it's size and a light grip on it definitely will not prevent any jams.
I don't know that I would call it "brutal". :laf: But I would say it is rather snappy. :eyebrownod:
*IF* you were to show up at the LBL :innocentwhistle:, you could shoot mine and see if that is the way you want to go.
Really?
Ok, there's no way I can pass on that :eyebrow:
Quote from: FinsnFur on November 26, 2011, 09:10:52 AM
I want to revisit this and hear more from those of you carrying about your concealment. Which method or holster are you using and why?
I'm wondering if I'm going to want more then one holster for different situations, or maybe thats a gimme anyway. :shrug:
Inside the pants holsters..how bad do they suck?
No one else? Really?
I think mines the perfect carry gun, lightweight, simple, I use a pocket holster usually, perfect in shirt/short/pants pockets, clip it on belt, ankle holster, on cord around neck, no jams, no safety, pull it out n pull the trigger :wink:
I'm with nastygunz on this. I have about twenty handguns to choose from, including .32 ACP, .380, and four each .38 Special, 9mm and .40 S&W. The one that I am almost never without is this:
J-frame Smith and Wesson Model 342 .38 Special
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/sidearms001.jpg)
Carrying a gun ALL the time is a nuisance. It may seem exciting at first, but the new wears off pretty fast. A larger combat handgun is sexier and a better tool to have in a gunfight, but much harder to conceal well and far less comfortable to carry for extended periods. Sooner or later you will leave it behind because you know it will get uncomfortable after carrying it all day, or you worry that someone will notice it. This gun is small, lightweight, almost foolproof and very easy to conceal in a number of ways as nastygunz noted. Even when I carried a full size pistol all day every day I carried the little J-frame as a backup.
Whatever gun you choose, find a comfortable way to carry it. Do not skimp on holster or belt. The larger the gun, the more important that is. A two or three pound chunk of steel sliding around on your belt or digging into you sciatic nerve or grinding into your ankle gets pretty annoying, pretty quick. If it becomes painful to carry it, you will eventually leave it behind.
Consider how you will get the gun into action in various situations. Presenting a gun from an ankle holster is generally slower than from a hip holster. But put your pistol in that hip holster and button it up under that heavy winter coat that you wear when its 20 below in Wisconsin and strap yourself into the F150. Which do you think will be faster if you need to get to your gun in that situation? Hard to beat an ankle holster if you are seated and belted into a vehicle.
If you go with a small revolver, like a J-frame Smith, I would highly recommend that you look at the Barami hip grip. http://www.baramihipgrip.com/ Coupled with the Tyler T-grip http://www.t-grips.com/ it is a very comfortable and very concealable method of carry. Also take a look at the Cozy Partner model 50 ankle holster from Renegade holsters. http://www.renegadeholstersdirect.com/page2.html I have worn one for literally thousands of hours and I don't believe you will find a better or more comfortable ankle holster for these small revlovers.
Pat
The J frame S&W is an excellent choice for carry. Not much to go wrong on a revolver (jams, etc.). But you do sacrifice a few rounds of capacity.
Desantis has recently come out with a new Clip Grip for the J frame. It looks like a combination of the Barami Hip Grip and the Tyler T Grip only better in my view because the grip is stippled and makes for a more secure hold on the handgun. I sold my Barami grip when I found this one.
Here is the grip on my S&W airweight Bodyguard 38.
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Interesting. :eyebrow:
I've already convinced myself that carrying ALL the time just isnt going to be practical. For a couple reasons.
1st being that I cannot stand toting things around in my pockets. When I get to work, I throw my keys, cellphone, and sometimes billfold on the desk, and then go out on the floor to work. I refused to carry a billfold until I was 22yrs old. I just hated that stuff in my pockets. Money went in a money clip and everything else stayed home. The floor of my vehicle was covered with change cause I didnt want it in my pocket. :doh2: :laf:
So I'm not 100% looking forward to having a handgun grinding on me.
The other reason I'm convinced I wont be carrying ALL the time is the fact that I live in such a small community. Population 700 and most of that is cattle I swear.
I've lived here for almost 20 years now and cant think of one time I wish I had a gun except when the squirrels found my bird feeder. And even then I was in the house where the guns were. LOL
The times I think I'm going to want to carry is when I'm leaving my little fairytale secure community. LOL
I've been approached by blacks in Madison before asking if I wanted to buy various drugs and or weapons, it's a scary place to be sometimes. And the thought of me being there to pick up my kids, makes my stomach grind to this day. I want to think I will be prepared now.
The revolvers kind of turn me off cause there again were talking about even the slightest increase in size due to that cylinder and I'm already whining about size :laf:
Who knows, I might even get a few months or years under my belt and change my mind on that.
Good info guys :eyebrownod:
Jim,
Maybe you can find someone to make you a necklace to carry your pistol. That way you can have it with you and still not have anything in your pockets. Just a thought.
Jerry
P.S. I think something with sequins in various colors would be nice.
It may be a advertisement in a magazine but the statement holds true.
"Carring a gun isn't supposed to be comfortable it is supposed to be comforting."
That being said you still want it as comfortable as possible. I still haven't found a perfectly comfortable way to carry my J-frame. I do like the grip clip thingy that Semp posted about. But being left handed cuts way back on my options.
Quote from: Hawks Feather on November 29, 2011, 08:11:16 AM
Jim,
Maybe you can find someone to make you a necklace to carry your pistol. That way you can have it with you and still not have anything in your pockets. Just a thought.
Jerry
P.S. I think something with sequins in various colors would be nice.
Jerry you gotta get Stanley off your mind. :laf:
Slag....thats definitely a good way to put it. :eyebrownod:
Pocket holsters are pretty sweeeeettt...when I am in my rig I put my gun on the passenger seat with a ball cap over it..move my hand down low n inches and shes fulla S&W shooting iron :yoyo:
http://www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-HOLSTER-OR-ACCESSORY/POCKET-HOLSTERS
Thats the second time I've seen that link, which already says something about them. :wink:
And I do agree. I can see one of those being real comfy :eyebrownod:
+ with a real metal revolver if you run out of shots you can take that real metal revolver and beat the shiite out of your assailant with it...which if you think about the common term "pistol whipped" most handgun whippings are with revolvers, not pistols so it might be correcter to say "revolver whipped" :wo:..kind of like the magazine/clip thing :shrug:...whilst not having any experience whipping an assailant with a polymer handgun I would tend to think a Glock Whipping might be less damaging then a Ruger Blackhawk Whipping...however if one was dead set bent on doling out a pistol whipping, I would think the Magnum Research Desert Eagle might make a fine pistol whipping pistol...of course the venerable and legendary 1911 would also make a fine whipping pistol and could even, perhaps been the catalyst for the "pistol whipped" scenario as I am sure at one time or another enemies of the USA had a GI or 2 whup them upside the head with a 1911... :wo:
Id also throw the Kel Tec PMR-30 out there, light, pretty flat, 30 rounds of .22 magnum, that's alot of quick firepower in your pocket :yoyo:
Quote from: nastygunz on November 30, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
I would think the Magnum Research Desert Eagle might make a fine pistol whipping pistol
The first pistol I ever owned was Desert Eagle. Bought it brand spanking new in 1985 from my favorite sporting goods store for $800 bucks. Mannnnnnn I loved that thing, and it was a brute of a gun for a lil 357.
Hit hard times when I moved my fresh bride and our first born, out of the city and had to sell it. :sad:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/
Now that's what I'm talkin' about! :eyebrow:
That would give a whole new meaning to the term "gang banging." :eyebrownod:
And if ya had another full 30rd clip; that's 60rds of ammo. You'd be like a cowboy in the old movies & never reload your gun! :hellyeah:
I remember the Grendel w/ the 30rd clip. Man I wanted one of those!!! ;yes;
Sounds like this is just the ticket for you Jimmy! :yahoo:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.flashbangholster.com/&sa=U&ei=IdbaTtKIO8q_tgf0x7DtAQ&ved=0CC8QFjAL&usg=AFQjCNGEGHAdOEDHRrOVx5sEB4fGf2VkDw (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.flashbangholster.com/&sa=U&ei=IdbaTtKIO8q_tgf0x7DtAQ&ved=0CC8QFjAL&usg=AFQjCNGEGHAdOEDHRrOVx5sEB4fGf2VkDw)
(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZvria5J07u9JPPi04GBKmZNyx34K2yWmyZev7gGnq48ebLCjiAxqDkR8)
Ho! leeee krap...look what the cat drug in. Another cat :alscalls:
Where you been hiding Stray?...over at PM?
Looks like you found the same website I did when I was surfing for holsters.
But your right that looks like it might be the right ticket...but I need a little more info like, where's she from and do you have a picture of her face?