I would like to get some opinions on the Wildlife Technologies Game Caller versus FoxPro, if you had a choice Which one would you buy? cc
I don't own either one of them. I have a Minaska Bandit. But this is what I know of them.
The WT has excellent sounds and volume but you can not load your own sounds. If you want new ones you have to send the caller back to WT and pay for them.
The Foxpro callers are good units for the most part and you can load your own sounds. They are much more flexible. Also the remote on the Foxpro allows many more options.
If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the Foxpro.
This topic is sure to generate lots of debate and opinions. :eyebrownod:
If I had a choice? .....between those two? Wildlife Technologies
I despise the Dillons :puke:
In the 200.00 dollar range I believe the foxpro Spitfire is a good buy. Mine has worked well. Steve
I think any e caller that uses the TOA speaker or equivalent will work better than any e caller that doesn't. Personal opinion.
That list is short, with the WT, the Foxro CS24 and the Minaska Big country, there may be others but I have not kept up on it since getting a WT. There really isn't any need too. Of course adding a TOA speaker as an external speaker to a caller will help immensely. FoxPro also has some external speakers that are touted to be very good.
All of FoxPro's and Minaska's callers save the CS24 and Big Country are simply limited by the speakers. Yes I own a FoxPro, have owned a Minaska, and now own a WT, and have compared the three side by side. My statement is based on personal experience. My old Minaska Bandit came alive with the addition of the TOA speaker, and adding external speakers to the FoxPro has made it a much better caller, again personal opinion.
I prefer live animal sounds in an e caller. I can do hand calls myself, though some of the sounds FoxPro uses that Cal Taylor recorded are very very good. All of the WT sounds are real animal sounds, and are very good. The controversy that some have been chopped up and renamed to represent different animals to expand the sound library may be true, but the bottom line is that the WT sound library is the top of the line and they just work better than anything else I have used, including old Johnny Stewart CD sounds of real animals. Again, personal opinion, based on hearing and using FP, Minaska and WT.
The features of the new FoxPro remote are the best in the industry. Minaska's seems very easy to use as is the WT, though neither are as feature packed. A wise old caller once quipped "do you want to be a coyote caller or a DJ?" I think this may be a valid question. How many sounds do you need to change on a 15 to 20 minute stand? Simple is better for my style of calling. Turn it on, let it play, sit still and keep my eyes open works better than fooling with a remote, though again, the FoxPro remote is kind of neat from a geek/technology perspective, and they do keep adding features that on the surface seem very useful. FoxBang is an innovative idea for example.
Volume is superb on the WT callers. Far out classing the others save for the Big Country and CS24, though I bet the WT is louder based solely on the size of the amp in the WT. (I have never heard either the Big Country or the CS24) You must understand that the WT philosophy is that volume makes the coyote believe the prey, or other coyote is closer than it really is and increases the aggressiveness of the animal. In my experience, the coyote vocalizations on the WT more often than not invoke a very aggressive approach. I do often wonder how many subordinate animals it scares away though?
To sum up:
The WT has better sounds, is louder, and clearer than other callers in it's price range.
The FoxPro has a great remote, and with the addition of an external speaker is a fine unit though the sound library cannot compare to the WT.
Minask is the same as FoxPro with a less featured but very easy to use remote and a weaker sound library.
When I first started using e callers, and coyote hunting in general, I wanted to be able to make my own sound tracks, change things up, have tons of different sounds to change too and on and on. It seems the more you think you know, the less you really do. Today, I am content to have a caller with 5 or 6 sounds that work consistently. The WT will give you that and more. From using callers from the "big three" my experience is that the WT performs better on our North Eastern coyotes than the others. I would recommend it over the others for eastern callers. They are all good machines, all will call coyotes, but in my experience the WT is the top of the class followed closely by the CS24 and the Big Country, with the sound library giving the clear edge to the WT.
Al @ THO
Dont think you will get any better or clearer answer than that. You answered some questions that I had been wondering for a while.
Thank all of you for replying, some very good points to consider for both brands, I have been looking to buy a E-Caller for myself but some of the guys in my hunt club wanted me to pick out a call for the club and they would pitch in on the cost which changed my perspective on which caller to chose and give me some leeway on the cost, now it is a matter of getting the best bangs for the bucks. Again I want to thank everyone for their reply, they will be very helpful. :bowingsmilie: cc
I have used both and while I think the WT is an awsome call I prefer my Fx5 Fox Pro because I can make my own calls and upload them to the caller. While the Dillons are not my favorite people I think they have the best products. jmo.
I also like the Minaska Bandit but same deal as WT.
Joe
"The FoxPro has a great remote, and with the addition of an external speaker is a fine unit though the sound library cannot compare to the WT."
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That statement is no longer true. The WT sounds are great, but since the recent addition of Cal Taylor's recordings, WT has nothing over on FoxPro. Nothing.
Rich, Are Cal Tayler's sounds real live animals? cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on January 20, 2011, 05:59:47 PM
Rich, Are Cal Tayler's sounds real live animals? cc
Boy do they got to be itty bitty's, eh.
Yes they are real animals, and you can use the WT calls on your FoxPro as same as any mp3.
(L) You can even put AC/DC Highway to hell on her ifn ya want to.... :yoyo: :yoyo:
I thought Foxpro used an fx or fxp extension making it exclusive to their machines only :confused:
And you reminded me of a funny story securepro. I had Hwy to hell on an FX3 I used to own and one day blasted it off of the side of a ridge onto some duck hunters below that wouldn't stop answering my howls with duck calls. :alscalls:
I could some laughing and some cussing all the way up the ridge :laf:
I use Minaska's Crumblin Coon sounds on my FX3. :biggrin:
QuoteThat statement is no longer true. The WT sounds are great, but since the recent addition of Cal Taylor's recordings, WT has nothing over on FoxPro. Nothing.
Sorry to hear about your hearing loss Mr. Cronk.
In the interest of full disclosure and for those who may not know, Rich Cronk is a member of Foxpro's Field Staff.
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on January 20, 2011, 05:59:47 PM
Rich, Are Cal Tayler's sounds real live animals? cc
Yes, live animal recordings that work.
Quote from: THO Game Calls on January 21, 2011, 05:21:02 PM
QuoteThat statement is no longer true. The WT sounds are great, but since the recent addition of Cal Taylor's recordings, WT has nothing over on FoxPro. Nothing.
Sorry to hear about your hearing loss Mr. Cronk.
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Sorry that you are still drinking the Martz Koolaide T. H. O :innocentwhistle:
Quote from: Rich on January 22, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: THO Game Calls on January 21, 2011, 05:21:02 PM
QuoteThat statement is no longer true. The WT sounds are great, but since the recent addition of Cal Taylor's recordings, WT has nothing over on FoxPro. Nothing.
Sorry to hear about your hearing loss Mr. Cronk.
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Sorry that you are still drinking the Martz Koolaide T. H. O :innocentwhistle:
:alscalls: I'd take Martz koolaide over the Dillon... sewage.
With the CS24 it appears that Foxpro has finally caught up with competitors, maybe passed them in some ways, though I have not heard its sound. Until now FoxPro has been the McDonald's of predator calls, not the best place to go for dinner (or an e-call) but the best company in its field to invest money in. The competition among e-call makers has been fabulous for consumers.
A typical FP owner post:
Golly I just LOVE my Foxpro. I salivate all over myself just thinking about it. I have to hold the remote just right to get it to work past 50 feet, and it scrolls too far, or shuts itself off, but it is a WONDERFUL e-caller that has fulfilled my deepest longings. And FoxPro customer service is WONDERFUL. I have sent my Foxpro in five times and they fixed it every time. It still doesn't work but their customer service is fabulous. Anyone who doesn't buy a FoxPro is an execrable idiot who should be banned for thinking bad thoughts about FoxPro. Have I told you how much I love my FoxPro?
The Dillons, the FoxPro Mafia (silently encouraged by Dillons) and most important, the features of the calls themselves are the reasons I don't own a FoxPro. If I ever buy one, the first two reasons are why I would have to hold my nose to purchase. Many folks don't have the history with FP and I've no problem with anyone who buys and uses their stuff as long as they don't join the FoxPro Cult!
Mr. Cronk
If you read my post, you will see that I posted what were my opinions based on having used or owned a WT, FP and Minaska, and after having hunted over each of them.
I also stated that since buying a WT I have not kept up with the E caller business or the sounds as there was no need too. In short sir, I have a machine that works quite well and that I am happy with.
I did not come here looking for a fight, or to bash any company or person. I expressed an opinion based on personal experience and tried to be as honest as I could.
Please forgive the post about your hearing loss. It was said in jest to a fine gentleman and apparently was taken wrong.
I apologize.
AL Woodard
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Edited to correct grammar.
Quote from: Okanagan on January 22, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
A typical FP owner post:
Golly I just LOVE my Foxpro. I salivate all over myself just thinking about it. I have to hold the remote just right to get it to work past 50 feet, and it scrolls too far, or shuts itself off, but it is a WONDERFUL e-caller that has fulfilled my deepest longings in life. And FoxPro customer service is WONDERFUL. I have sent my Foxpro in five times and they fixed it every time. It still doesn't work but their customer service is fabulous. Anyone who doesn't buy a FoxPro is an execrable idiot who should be banned for thinking bad thoughts about FoxPro. Have I told you how much I love my FoxPro?
BWAAAAA!!!!! :alscalls: :alscalls: :alscalls: I just ruined another keyboard! :alscalls:
That has got to be the funniest post I've read in a looonnngggg time!
And it is true to boot! :alscalls:
I hope my request for opinions on the Two Callers does not cause any bad blood between folks, I just have the opportunity to buy either and the only experience I have with E-Callers is with one of the first caller they made a FP38, I appreciate the input and don't want to make anyone mad. :nono: cc
Quote from: THO Game Calls on January 22, 2011, 11:23:20 AM
Mr. Cronk
If you read my post, you will see that I posted what were my opinions based on having used or owned a WT, FP and Minaska, and after having hunted over each of them.
I also stated that since buying a WT I have not kept up with the E caller business or the sounds as there was no need too. In short sir, I have a machine that works quite well and that I am happy with.
I did not come here looking for a fight, or to bash any company or person. I expressed an opinion based on personal experience and tried to be as honest as I could.
Please forgive the post about your hearing loss. It was said in jest to a fine gentleman and apparently was taken wrong.
I apologize.
AL Woodard
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www.thogamecalls.com
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Edited to correct grammar.
No big deal Al, I say stuff like that myself now and then.
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on January 22, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
I hope my request for opinions on the Two Callers does not cause any bad blood between folks, I just have the opportunity to buy either and the only experience I have with E-Callers is with one of the first caller they made a FP38, I appreciate the input and don't want to make anyone mad. :nono: cc
Nah it ain't your fault sir. W.T. threads always cause a stir.
Thanks Mr. Cronk, I have several of your calls and love them. cc
Quote from: Rich on January 22, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
Nah it ain't your fault sir. W.T. threads always cause a stir.
Yep, e-call threads comparing brands always cause a stir. Too bad but it is apparently impossible to compare features of e-calls on any forum without it turning into personal insults. We are actually doing pretty well here at F&F!
Rich, FWIW, I have always respected you and never considered you part of the mafia. You have more class.
QuoteGolly I just LOVE my Foxpro. I salivate all over myself just thinking about it. I have to hold the remote just right to get it to work past 50 feet, and it scrolls too far, or shuts itself off, but it is a WONDERFUL e-caller that has fulfilled my deepest longings in life. And FoxPro customer service is WONDERFUL. I have sent my Foxpro in five times and they fixed it every time. It still doesn't work but their customer service is fabulous. Anyone who doesn't buy a FoxPro is an execrable idiot who should be banned for thinking bad thoughts about FoxPro. Have I told you how much I love my FoxPro?
I agree that is very very funny.. :alscalls: :alscalls:
Both callers call coyotes that much is fact. Which one you call more coyotes with depends on which one you use the most.
Personally I like simple remotes as in Press button one and you hear X sound and so on. Having LCD screens and the weather channel on my remote does nothing for me personally in a hunting situation. Your style of hunting maybe different so you may want the weather channel model.
As far as customer service Foxpro is very good I have used there customer service 3 times and every time they fixed the problem quickly. The other e-callers I have used I don't know what there customer service is because they never had a problem.
Think about all the people that say Foxpro has great customer service. I have literally seen at least a thousand of these statements around the net, so I would have to conclude there were thousands of problems. This speaks volumes!!
Then again looking here around the house none of my electronic purchases were based on customer service.
I still like my ecaller the best :alscalls:
Boy do they got to be itty bitty's, eh.
Well Barry I 'm not sure if its "its itty bitty's " or " itty biggey's. :confused:
What kind of Electric Can opener do you use for your E=Caller? :hahaha: :hahaha: cc
Hey, cc... I would loan you my caller but you have to promise to feed him at least three times a day. :laf:
"Personally I like simple remotes as in Press button one and you hear X sound and so on. Having LCD screens and the weather channel on my remote does nothing for me personally in a hunting situation."
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CCP,
I agree with you on that. I am a "keep it simple stupid" kind of man. The more gizmo's they put in the caller and remote, the more there is to go bad. It seems that a lot of folks like those gizmo's though.
I think Bill Martz has been banned from most sites on the net at one time or another. It wasn't just his price at the time that killed any sale he may have made to me.
And it is much the same with foxpro for me. I get so sick of hearing the Foxpro can cure all your calling problems. If you can't find a coyote get a foxpro and htey come running. What about hunting skills ?
It's because of all this BS that I would only consider the Minaska products if I were to buy an e-caller. Thats just me and my opinion . Jimmie
Hey CC
Quote from: Semp on January 17, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
This topic is sure to generate lots of debate and opinions. :eyebrownod:
I warned ya way back in the beginning of this thread. :eyebrownod:
The W.T. bashing and the Foxpro bashing is pretty much an internet sport now a days. I haven't seen too much Minaska bashing but I'm sure its out there somewhere. :laf:
I thought I had to have an e-caller about 3 years ago and don't think I have every used the first set of batteries after meeting all of these guys last year I'm a little embarrassed at my hand call skills so I've been practicing with my new "e-caller" eat then call. There is not a caller on the market that I haven't heard good and bad about. I have a primos power dog and I'm not real happy with it it isn't very loud and only works about 50 yards away at best but they do have great customer service if your looking for people to call everytime you get home from hunting.
Quote from: Palegroe on January 22, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
I have a primos power dog and I'm not real happy with it it isn't very loud and only works about 50 yards away at best but they do have great customer service if your looking for people to call everytime you get home from hunting.
This thread is making me pee myself. :alscalls: :alscalls: :alscalls:
I'm sure that an E-Caller is not a cure all and I actually prefer Hand Calls, more satisfying when you call one in, I'm sure the call makers are out to make a buck and they are in my opinion over priced but that is the American way, The E-Callers I have had experience with so far sound like my good Friend Centerfire223 said ( A caned Call ) and as Jimmie pointed out Hunter Skill plays a big part and there are as many opinions about what works best as there are call makers, the main benefit I see for me is to get the sound away from the shooter location to give him freedom of movement and time to observe.
I have really began to enjoy this tread so keep those opinions coming. :eyebrownod: cc
"It's because of all this BS that I would only consider the Minaska products if I were to buy an e-caller. Thats just me and my opinion . Jimmie"
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Jimmie,
If you buy Minaska, be sure to get one with the TOA speaker. The thing that bothers me about Minaska is the fact that they sold out to a decoy maker called Flambeau, and the calls are now "MAD" brand. The Borland brothers are real good people, I can tell you that much. I used to be a Field staff rep. for them. I quit when they brought on a guy that I don't get along with.
Disclaimer:
Mr. Cronk, this part of my post is NOT directed at YOU specifically, nor is it intended to embarrass or cause you discomfort in any way. It is an opinion of the state of the Predator Hunting Industry as a whole, and the quote used is for illustrative purposes only.
QuoteI used to be a Field staff rep. for them. I quit when they brought on a guy that I don't get along with.
This is precisely the reason, IN MY OPINION, no hunter looking for an e caller, rifle, decoy, video, or anything else should EVER take the word of a company spokesman. People in this industry move from company to company NOT because they want their name associated with the best equipment, but because of personal issues, money, or fame. What they say often has little to do with putting the best equipment in your hands, and often with putting something in their pocket or discrediting a company that they once worked for and now feel has done them wrong.
(There are exceptions to this of course, but they are few and far between. I would say CCP is one. I would also add that to my knowledge, Mr. Cronk has never said anything bad about Minaska since leaving them, and has in fact, told people they make a fine machine, but he is the exception to the rule in my opinion)
Mr. Cronk, this part of my post IS directed at you. Please take it as intended, it is not a flame, an attack, or the start of an argument. It is merely and observation and a point for further discussion.
You came in and made a statement about FoxPro's sound library. Your statement was quite emphatic, and based on your reputation, you very well might have influenced not only the original poster, but others who lurk and read these boards.
While Semp did post that your were a FoxPro feild staff, you neglected to make that clear or even acknowledge it until this last post. As a point of fact, unless Semp had said something, the average person might not have even known. It is not in your post, your sig line, or your profile. One cannot assume that EVERYONE who reads these boards knows that you are in fact, associated with Fox Pro in the position of Field Staff, as is indicated on their web page http://www.gofoxpro.com/community/field_staff/index.php
In the spirit of fairness, don't you think you, or anyone, should declare, when making statements about competing products, that you or they are indeed associated with the company you/they are supporting? Recent FTC rulings may even affect what you are able to say about a product or service you are associated without disclosing that information.
Again, this is not an attack, or a flame, or anything other than a point of discussion on how an average hunter should go about choosing a piece of equipment. Based on the shuffling about of the "big names" in the industry from company to company, what weight if any should they place on statements or comments made by Field or Pro Staff representatives in threads such as this?
AL Woodard
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THO brings up an excellent and valid point.
"THO brings up an excellent and valid point."
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Now THAT statement is almost funny. Everyone who frequents this board knows that I am a Foxpro field staff rep. They also know that I speak truth, straight and to the point. THO has a big mouth, and THAT is a true and accurate statement.
:corn:
Hey Semp... ya' might want to get the popcorn popper warmed up, it looks like this is going to be a long one. :sleep2:
Quote from: Rich on January 23, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
"THO brings up an excellent and valid point."
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Now THAT statement is almost funny. Everyone who frequents this board knows that I am a Foxpro field staff rep. They also know that I speak truth, straight and to the point. THO has a big mouth, and THAT is a true and accurate statement.
You seem to have a mighty high opinion of yourself Rich. I sure as [L] didn't know you were on a pro staff but now that I do your words will mean nothing to me :noway:.
L Rich, it seems everybody is selling out. I was just informed recently that one of our favorite call makers has been sold again. I don't know who bought Burnham Bros , But in my opinion it stinks . All these old time call companies have been sold and former owners kept as figure heads. It's starting to look like hte danged oil industry !!
And no matter who he may or may not be afiliated with, I for one apreciate Rich's honesty. Most of us have know him for years and know he doesn't sugar coat much of anything :nono: I would rather have someone like Rich representing me than many others I can think of. Do you think any other afiliate with a company would point out anothers best product? Says a lot for a mans integrity I think.
We've all heard all kinds of horror stories on various companies product service. In most cases the good reports have out weighed the bad on all of them. They are all using just about the same componants, yet some charge way more than they are actually worth for the hassle of using them IMO.Most if not all of them promote a vast sound library . Only two companies promote their product as a cure all, others promote it as a tool to add to your arsenal.
So how do you select one of these from all that are out there? Features, cost's, and what it is all worth to you as the buyer and owner of the equipment? Or does the advertising method affect your choice.? Jimmie
Boy's let's put a fork in it and call it done or what's your opinion on pick-up's or camo or gun's or Beer,???? Steve :whew:
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Quote from: linemansteve on January 23, 2011, 07:18:44 PMwhat's your opinion on pick-up's
We are gonna need golfer or walker to spout off now :innocentwhistle:.
Quote from: Jimmie in Ky on January 23, 2011, 05:13:59 PM
L Rich, it seems everybody is selling out. I was just informed recently that one of our favorite call makers has been sold again. I don't know who bought Burnham Bros , But in my opinion it stinks . All these old time call companies have been sold and former owners kept as figure heads. It's starting to look like hte danged oil industry !!
And no matter who he may or may not be afiliated with, I for one apreciate Rich's honesty. Most of us have know him for years and know he doesn't sugar coat much of anything :nono: I would rather have someone like Rich representing me than many others I can think of. Do you think any other afiliate with a company would point out anothers best product? Says a lot for a mans integrity I think.
We've all heard all kinds of horror stories on various companies product service. In most cases the good reports have out weighed the bad on all of them. They are all using just about the same componants, yet some charge way more than they are actually worth for the hassle of using them IMO.Most if not all of them promote a vast sound library . Only two companies promote their product as a cure all, others promote it as a tool to add to your arsenal.
So how do you select one of these from all that are out there? Features, cost's, and what it is all worth to you as the buyer and owner of the equipment? Or does the advertising method affect your choice.? Jimmie
Thank you Jimmie,
I am at a time in my life where I have no need to prove anything to any man. They can not take away my honesty with any amount of bad mouthing while hiding behind a key board. I detest confrontations. I intend to live my life in peace, and for that reason I am done with this thread.
Oh Mr.Cronk
When you were stumping for Minaska, a good many people went out and bought their callers, myself included, because if it was good enough for Rich Cronk, it was good enough for us. We looked up to you and respected you.
When you left Minaska over your feud with Rich Higgins, many of us understood. You and he have been going at it now for almost 10 years. But you were still a man of principle and integrity, and your leaving Minaska was understandable. As a matter of fact, your leaving based on your principles served to strengthen your position.
But then THREE DAYS LATER you signed on with Fox Pro. THREE DAYS! A lot of people were left scratching their heads. What happened to your integrity? Your principles? Why did you sell your name to FoxPro? Was it so you could continue to “be somebody†in the Predator Hunting Community? To a great number of people, you already WERE somebody. You didn’t need to prove anything to anyone. But you did, and that is that.
Now I tired to have a civil discussion with you, and YOU turned it into name calling and trash talking. The truth is, Mr.Cronk, the last time you posted on FnF aside from your birthday thread was over 2 months ago, but as soon as something comes up about FoxPro and WT, you show up, riding in on your high horse with both guns blazing, defending Fox Pro, without even manning up to the fact that you represent the company. Then, you refuse to discuss anything in a civil manner and turn to trashing me,calling me names. Then you tells us that you are through with this thread. Well, goodbye. I tried, and you declined. Such is life.
Just remember Mr. Cronk, as you ride off into the sunset with your FoxPro hat perched low over your eyes, the last view anyone is going to have of you is your horses ass.
And if you think I am hiding behind my key board, I am not. 603-867-1018 is the shop phone. I am here most days from 6:30 AM until 8 PM. If you get the voice mail, I am either hunting or have one of the machines running and didn't hear the phone, but leave a number and I will be sure to call you back. I am not hiding from anyone. There is nothing for me to be afraid of.
AL Woodard
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THO,
It was you who turned the thread into a train wreck and you know it. You should take another pill and think about it. I wouldn't call you on the phone just to listen to your chicken shot talk. Show up at my front door and say some of that shit to my face if you want action. 1826 Ave. E, Council Bluffs, Iowa.
Boy's let's put a fork in it and call it done or what's your opinion on pick-up's or camo or gun's or Beer,???? Steve
I agree with this 100 %, I had no intention's of creating any hard feelings what's so ever on this Forum. Lets kiss and Makeup. :biggrin: cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on January 24, 2011, 06:11:42 PMLets kiss and Makeup. [/color] :biggrin: cc
I've seen your picture :noway:
I've seen your picture :noway: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
Thank You Mr. Cronk for adding your FoxPro affiliation to your sig line.
To quote Thomas Moore..........
"No man, however great, is known to everybody and no man, however solitary, is known to nobody."
AL Woodard
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