uMM.. what happened over on PM with Bearmanric? He's goin off and pumping out calls.
None of my bisness, just wonderin'
Rick's got some issues, I guess with us... :shrug:
He means well but gets depressed from time and I'm sure he got a snoot full of Fins and Fur trash talk at the PM hunt.
I'm just not sure? I don't think it's about here is it? FnF trash talk at the PM hunt?
It looks like he edited everything over. He was going to leave PM, now he's not.
It looks like they have some really long off topic threads he didn't like over there. Again, I don't know.
Brad
Good question. I just assumed he run off because he kept misinterpreting the the discussion in here about tone boards. he got pretty heated.
And I know he went to the PM hunt...and I'm sure there were plenty of people down there discussing how big of an ass I am for leaving them the way I did. :shrug:
This looks to have happened just today, Jim.
The trash talking is a good possibility. I don't know though. I'm in none of the loops. I have contacts with access to some loops, but I perfer the weather under the radar.
Brad
:laf: I'm hearing ya Bud :eyebrownod:
They got us on radar now? :huh: I guess I'll be dead meat very soon then.... :eyebrownod:
I don't think what Ricks doing has anything to do with this place at all. Seems like a bunch a ramblings geared towards the hand call forums. :confused:
At this point I can only say better PM then FNF. :biggrin:
Uh, Bop............buddy just give up on ducking the radar, you have to large of a return signal. :roflmao:
Oh sure......pick on the fat man..... :pout:
It was funny though..... :laf:
Risk is upset about the use of the hand call forum at PM. A group of friends use it to BS amongst themselves, and he thinks it is the wrong place for it. He is reading more into than should be. He thinks the forum should be strickly for the promotion of call making and not friendships. Sounds like he just needs to roll with the changes and stop acting like it is a direct hit to him and call making. If you didn't have friendships in the call making forums, why have the forums at all. Brian.
Cypress,
As long as they are BS'ing about calls I guess they are good to go :biggrin: and if they are not then Rick has a valid issue............especially if he his charged to use that space. :shrug:
And unless they changed the rules there, the hand call forums were strickly for the promotion and how to's of call making, any other post was moved with a quickness. :shrug:
QuoteIf you didn't have friendships in the call making forums, why have the forums at all.
Maybe they need a "Hand Call, but friends only" forum? I have made more friends then I can count out of those forums, but they were all over discussions about calls and call spinning. (Good frinds too)
Well that's the problem most of the topics started as call topics and like alot of threads evolve into something else and get off the track of the thread. The hand call forum is the free to speak and show forum for non paying members not looking to sell calls, and that is where the problem has come up. I agree if this was happening in the Custom Callmakers pay-to-play forum, Rick would have a valid point. I'm not even saying Rick has an invalid point. I just think he is going about it the wrong way. When guys start talking about calls and the BS starts to flow things can get out of hand pretty quick and thread focus can change. I understand the different forums are there for a reason. I don't visit PM much anymore because the focus of the forums has changed, but I am not stirring up conflict about it either. Instead, I looked around and found this great group of people. All I am saying is, if you don't like the way things are changing somewhere, move on or help bring the focus back the right way by posting the right kind of topics or talk directly to the moderators about it. Making the wrong comments about something will make you the target of discussions. Brian.
Very well said Cypress, I like ya already. :wink:
Thanks, Todd. I'm loving it here more everyday. I f I could only get some time off work to make some calls to post up, I'll be doing good. Too many folks starting fires in my neck of the woods to get a break. :argh: Brian.
Rick has done this regularly on all of the forums he's ran "off and on" ever since I've known him. So have a few other call makers. But like all of us, Rick has certain people and/or site policies he doesn't like or agree with, and they can become an issue for him just like they can for the rest of us. "Issues" is why this board came about, and most of the others out there as well. How we each handle issues obviously varies a lot though. When something gets to Rick he usually chooses to move on to another site until something on that one also sends him down the road to the next one. As it should be as that is his choice. Rick just needs to learn to simply walk away or take a time out when issues get to him rather than cause a spat when he leaves IMO. Patterns form a reputation, both good and bad ones, and that rep strongly influences how seriously you are taken by others. Same with how well you do or do not write. A lot of what Rick posts is not taken as he intended it I don't feel, and a lot of the "attacks" he feels are directed at him really were not either.
I've known Rick for a few years now, and IMO he is basically a really nice guy that means well. He tries to continually improve his craft skills (and his calls are showing it), and is very generous - often slipping free extra surprises into packages he ships. I've had minor issues with Rick in the past, because I didn't make the time or effort to understand him. But I have finally learned to accept Rick just for who he is. While many are not, he'd be welcome at my campfire.
L.
How very well spoken Ladobe....as you say, your writing can tell others a great deal, not only by the lack of grammatical errors, misspelled words and punctuation, but the tone as well. Not only is your written word eloquent, in addition, it appears your heart is in the right place. Kudos... :bowingsmilie:
Joe
I must confess I was part of what happened over yonder and as it was said it started out as talking about some calls that were made and used and then steered off in a different direction but as soon as the person that started the topic was told that it should be moved to different place it was moved and nothing more said about it but some seem to have issues and that is that.I hope nobody is offended here
Bill
Quote from: Arkyyoter on February 17, 2007, 08:12:23 PM
How very well spoken Ladobe....as you say, your writing can tell others a great deal, not only by the lack of grammatical errors, misspelled words and punctuation, but the tone as well. Not only is your written word eloquent, in addition, it appears your heart is in the right place. Kudos... :bowingsmilie:
Joe
I'll second that sentiment. :wink:
Bill!...you bad, bad man :rolleye:
What were you thinking? :nofgr:
:laf:...I wouldn't worry about it. :nono:
Yeah Larry, Rick is always weclome. :congrats:
bnccont......you'll need do a WHOLE LOT to offend someone on this board, and then again it will be next to impossable to do I think. :wink:
Jim i spent alot of time in Redfrog's room nothing was said.it was about badtothe bone. talking about shooting pigion's with pelet guns i'm not mad at anyone hear. sorry i i'm who i am.these five guy's just play game's all day. it's a bullshit sesession. nothing to day with callmaking. i shoul;dnt of spoke up but tony should of moved it. just had crappy said so i messed up. i like to look at the call's here you guy's are making some good one's. Rick
i wish i could be like BradH and be quiet. Rick
Howdy Rick, gonna try that pp thing tomorrow so i want have to deal with a mo.Thanks man !
Jeb
your welcome Jeb. Rick
Dont wish to be like Brad :nono:
He's so quiet he scares us half the time :laf:
brad His one of the good guy's good call's to. the funnest thing at Globe was meeting Jay nessitter. cool guy. Rick
Well Rick, you reap what you sow. You should have learned years ago about that place. I don't even know why you are over there anymore. But it''s your decission.
I think the most informative thing to come out of that entire thread is the following - made by a moderator
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The hand call forum and the custom call builder forum has definately changed over the past few years. Things are not like they used to be, but unfortunately alot has changed since then. Changes on Predator Masters and changes to the Predator Industry. It seems to me that things started to really change when we started the HOB advertising thing.
(I want to interject here and say that the HOB advertising was instituted LONG before this moderator ever made a post on PM, so he is talking out his blow hole about this, but what's new about that - but what he says next is EXTREMELY interesting)
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Don't get me wrong, the HOB is a good thing, as we have a place to sell our calls and support the board that we love. But with it, comes a sense of "competition" amongst call builders....all call builders. There was always (even in the "good 'ole days" a sense of friendly competition between builders. Competition is a double edged sword. For call buyers, it means that the bar is constantly being raised, producing better and better calls for the market. But on the flip side, open sharing of information like call finishes, turning techniques, etc... comes to a halt.
We, as call builders, are not the only ones experiencing this issue. I've noticed in the Predator Hunting forum over the years. Open sharing of information has slowed down, as video producers have risen. I believe it is the same issue.
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It's all about the money Rick, you should know that by now.
I welcome you and your calls over here, but if you stay there, well, you get what you get buddy.
Al
THO Game Calls
www.thogamecalls.com
Custom Call Makers & Collectors Guild
Call Makers & Collectors Association of America
Al,
Please don't take this as a personal affront, as it is NOT intended to be....I suppose I am playing "Devil's advocate" for the sake of expressing a few points, which I feel are valid.
Rick is a good guy and builds good calls, and I like him. I am certain we can all agree on that. I understand your feelings and attitudes toward PM. I will agree it is much different there than in the past...all that notwithstanding, here is the crux of the matter as I see it...While you are extremely successful with your chosen direction in call making, and most impressive with your skills and abilities, everyone has not yet taken the road chosen by you. I know that personally I am not yet ready ( although of late I am want to lean that direction), to do so. Although I am continuously trying to improve upon them, the end result is, I still make the calls I make, and sell them. With that being said, the volume of sales is currently tilted toward PM. Rick has quit his job, and is trying to supplement his income building calls. So he feels he must, at least for the time being, remain at PM. Whether one agrees with the direction taken, for whatever reason, the fact is, that is where he ( and others) sell the lion's share of their calls.
Although I admire your calls, skills, and abilities...along with certain personal attributes, I am not yet capable of the precision you exhibit in your calls. I am improving as I become more interested in producing a higher end call, but may well never achieve your skill level. There are many others who for one reason or another may or may not ever achieve that level.
As I said earlier, I understand your feelings. I am currently "persona non grata" over there as well. So be it...
Joe
When a good and talented call maker comes on this board and list calls, he sells them.
Not many have gone unsold.
A good call maker will sell calls anywhere. He does not need PM.
Al
THO Game Calls
www.thogamecalls.com
Custom Call Makers & Collectors Guild
Call Makers & Collectors Association of America
I will say one thing the calls i have seen posted on this site have made my mouth water. I wished I had enough money to buy them and i am not even a collector ....Yet !
Bill
The guys call makers on PM are all very helpful. I personally don't see a huge compititon thing going real hard yet. It may be to the point that they don't share secrets over the world wide forum but every personal message that I have have send to call makers, including rick, has come back with a very large answer to my question. Everyone is very helpful and very willing to share their secrets. On the other hand, for someone selling calls, you need to go where the demand is more. I will agree that a good call will sell anywhere. But I personally think that a call maker will sell a lot more over there. The number of buyers for predator calls over there is probably better than ebay.
If you are good enough Matt, the buyers and collectors will find you. You wont have to go finding them.
As for the people helping you, that is nice to know. It's good for everyone.
Al
THO Game Calls
www.thogamecalls.com
Custom Call Makers & Collectors Guild
Call Makers & Collectors Association of America
Al, you beat me to it. A callmakers skill and reputation is what sells his calls, not his association with a particular website. If someone wants a certain call, he will seek out the callmaker he wants to buy from. Brian.
it will be better once i have my website. and advertising. that is coming soon. Rick
I don't like all the advertising and promotional threads over there either. I realize that's what it's become though.
I will give PM credit, that was my starting point as a callmaker. Rick Cronk and Slydog were my role models. The HOB started with three or four of us and it was a blast for a long time and got better with each new addition. It's not the same anymore.
I kept my account there for another year, but I can't even get caught up to the point that I can throw this board a few bones, which is what I really want to do.
I'm sure you'll be fine, Rick. Don't worry about the little stuff. I'm gonna take the quad out and pull the kids around in the snow today. But otherwise, if you want to talk, give me a call. I'll be home for the next few days.
Brad
Bill you kidding me. here is the post .i guess this is okay in the hand call's. just defending my self since your friend's with them. just wanted you main callmaker's know since i'm the bad guy. Rick
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=8&Number=52497950&page=0&fpart=1
I know that Kurt started the post and he is new on the board and i seen you making comments on the BB gun topic long before I made any comments in that post.If it was going to bother you this bad you should have said something about it then. Instead of joining in,But I will say this we were thinking of 2 different post. Sorry about the mix up.
Bill
Bill i'm leaving it alone now just putting the post here so people understand. sorry Bill i'm to serios about callmaking. you take care. Rick
Who is at fault?
The guy for posting in the wrong forum.
Or
The Mods for not moving it.
I personally saw nothing wrong with it, and if I did I simply would not click on it. :shrug:
There is a group of guys over there that like to make fun of each other and have fun. As long as they keep it in thier own on-topic posts I say, who cares.
As a new call maker I will continue to frequent here, over there, and 6 or 8 others boards.
Aaron
QuoteThe Hand Calls Forum will be reserved for:
- General information about Hand Calls, Hand Calling, or Hand Call Building.
- Posts from our Advertisers of hand calls that are not for sale. (Examples are: Presold calls, Drawings, Contests, Give Aways, etc...)
Both :biggrin:
Aaron,
There comes a point when common courtesy to other board members takes precedence over one or two guys having a good time.
When a topic, any topic, gets a hit in the form of a new post, it drives that topic to the top of the board.
The net effect, if there are enough extraneous threads in the forum, is to drive important issues off the main page.
This is a selfish activity that limits other member's ability to find useful information in a forum.
I for one hope that this activity on PM continues. It will drive members who want to learn about hand calls to forums where they can actually get some useful information, without having to dig through ten pages of drivel between people who might be better served by honing their call making skills than by discussing killing birds with BB guns.
Just an opinion, but if less time was spent on the silliness, some of these guys might actually learn to do things like – oh - make their own tone boards for example.
Just a thought.
Al
THO Game Calls
www.thogamecalls.com
Custom Call Makers & Collectors Guild
Call Makers & Collectors Association of America
Good post Al, I have to agree on that one. I check out PM every day, but it's just getting to silly over there. Not trying to bash, just my opinion.
Al,
You are correct, and if it happened regularly I would not like it either. However this was one thread and the replies pushed no one down the page. I'm sure it will not happen again for a while.
QuoteJust an opinion, but if less time was spent on the silliness, some of these guys might actually learn to do things like – oh - make their own tone boards for example.
Was that a dig directed at me from the "tone boards" thread? :shrug:
Either way, I made a few "custom" tone boards since then. The last call I made is an open reed, one piece, all wood, including the tone board. :eyebrow:
Its not finished but I'll post a pic a little later.
Thanks
Aaron
Aaron,
My comment there had nothing to do with you, but rather at the individual who chose to turn the thread into a personal attack on BearmanRic.
Al
THO Game Calls
www.thogamecalls.com
Custom Call Makers & Collectors Guild
Call Makers & Collectors Association of America
:confused:
"The guys call makers on PM are all very helpful. I personally don't see a huge competition thing going real hard yet. It may be to the point that they don't share secrets over the world wide forum but every personal message that I have have send to call makers, including rick, has come back with a very large answer to my question. Everyone is very helpful and very willing to share their secrets. On the other hand, for someone selling calls, you need to go where the demand is more. I will agree that a good call will sell anywhere. But I personally think that a call maker will sell a lot more over there. The number of buyers for predator calls over there is probably better than ebay."
True, But you still must sell them a quality call! ( Don't take this the wrong way! ) Quality is a total of all aspects of the call, from finish, to craftsmenship, sound, and durability of the call. And field testing of the calls. There are different ex spectations of a call from the buyers. Its more than just a numbers game to some! You must take pride in your call building! And care about what you send your customers.
Note: I am not saying in any way that the call makers there on PM or any other board are selling non quality calls!
All I am saying is there is more to selling calls than markiting! You must keep your customers happy! And make quality calls that give results. Not just pretty or out of special wood or because you have a name or reach 100,000 people.And you haft to be able to make the call sound good yourself, and help your customers reach that point with your calls as well.
I also think you will find most call makers are happy to share what ever you need to know. On what ever board you go to. There are a few that wont but most are willing to help out anyone who asked.
The " huge competition thing " Has been going on for years, from back in the Turkey call days in the 80's! And this will never change. And I hope it don't! Thats what Makes us all better call makers!
Brent