After doing a little gun closet shake up I have this sweet little CZ 527 carbine in .223, took her out today, shoots, great, looks great, light as a feather, great trigger and has a set trigger that is featherlight on the pull, Me Like!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/15ojcds.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/rsdhmg.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2zew40h.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/1tmxjs.jpg)
Nice looking rifle, Nasty one. If you plan on coyote hunting with it, better stop by Sportsman's Warehouse and get some of that camo wrap and get rid of the shine. Won't hurt your finish one bit either.
Well I was gunna just rub some corn field mud and cow chit on it but that sounds like a good plan too ! :yoyo: :wink:
At the ranges you shoot 'em, Al, camo doesn't really matter does it? :wo:
On the subject of camo guns...I own several and like em..but alot of game was taken and still is without camo guns...IMHO whilst it might get you busted...I do not think to many critters stop and say " damn a shiny gun barrel!"...in my case in NH/VT I almost always hunt in the woods and no sunshine is on me or my gun..however as for turkey hunting then I do like a camo gun cuz being birds they key in on color alot and my last 2 I have shot eyeball to eyeball with me :yoyo:...Possumal I think you should have to hunt with a solid chrome gun with maybe some pimpin racin stripes to give them poor coyotes a chance sir !
Those are fun little rifles. I had one in 7.62x39 awhile back. I had Roy Bertalotto of RVB Precision convert the exposed, rather ugly, drop down magazine to a more flush modern looking unit and re-contour the trigger guard.
Fellers, I have a dear friend who has hunted rabbit, quail, doves, groundhogs, and coyotes with me from time to time, and I told him over and over to get rid of the shiny rifle for coyote hunting. His theory was that there are all kinds of shiny things in the woods, and therefore a shiny rifle shouldn't matter that much. I disagreed then as I do now, but took him to a good spot down in Anderson County, heavily wooded with lots of logging roads scattered throughout. I called in what was one of the most beautiful male coyotes I have ever seen in my life, and Ron should have had no problem cracking him at about 70 yds. One little glare off that shiny rifle as he turned to shoot, and that big rascal deassed that place as only a coyote can do. He became a believer and got him some camo wrap after that. I know this coyote was the alpha male of that whole farm, and had the most beautiful winter coat I have ever seen, like a fur coat over another furcoat, real prime stuff. He may never again get a chance at a coyote of this quality. My question is why take an unnecessary gamble? The really exceptional coyotes are extra hard to come by so you need to get the job done.
Semp, I shoot some at long range, no question, but they'll spook way off just as quick if they see a shine where there isn't supposed to be one. I've killed my share up close and still enjoy that, but I'd have to admit I get a bigger kick out of busting one or two that never know what happened.
QuoteOne little glare off that shiny rifle as he turned to shoot
as he turned to shoot
as he turned to shoot
as he turned to shoot
I only use my chrome and shinny guns on frosty morning or after a good dew and the sun shines across all those glimmering H20 droplets. It makes the coyotes think there is an army of shiny guns trying to kill them from every direction and they don't know which one is my shinny gun barrel.So in essence it is camouflage on days like that. Problem is the coyotes run one way then the other and keep twisting and turning trying to get away from all the shinny stuff.
Or keep your gun barrel and body out of the sun and don't move unless the coyote is looking the other way. This is actually a good thing to do even while using a gun with a Ghillie suit wrapped around it.
Damn nice CZ you got there. I have never owned one but have shot several and really like them and there triggers. As FOS stated my only complaint was the look of the mag.I would love to have one chambered in 218 bee or K-hornet.
I guess you'd have to say "As he turned to shoot" since the coyote stopped for a looksee to his extreme right. Old Ron was well camoed himself, and sitting in the shade, but that mirror he called a rifle passed through a sun ray and it was like Indians sending mirror signals to each other. He did the instant wheel and deal like only a coyote can. I feel sure old Wiley didn't see Ron's subtle move, but he damn sure saw that mirror signal.
Geezus after taking my CMMG Ar15 out for some gunnery exercises today I am not so sure about the CZ....the M4 shoots like a DREAM...pop..pop..pop..pop... :eyebrow:
QuoteI am not so sure about the CZ....
I can PM you the address of my FFL??? :biggrin:
I wouldn't burden you with that shiny old thing ... :innocentwhistle:
That is an exceptionally pretty rifle. Love the grain in the stock.
As to camo, I have a custom Mauser 6mm with a similar looking stock and a 26 inch heavy barrel, mirror polished finish. I taped white cloth for camo on it for winter calling coyotes when I was going at it for fur. For bare ground I left it as it is, but avoid sitting in sun for calling anything. Last time I got sloppy and let the sun move onto my face it cost me a called moose.
Re shiny: when hunting sheep above timberline my partner was nearly a mile away on the next mountain, carrying a shiny new Ruger 77 with gloss scope. The winks and flashes in the sunshine amazed me. He was wearing camo and very hard to see even with binos except for the flashes. I kept track of him easily all morning as long as he moved.
Not taking a side on this because I do it both ways, so the anecdotes are merely FWIW. I prefer matte finish of some kind on big game serious hunting rifles (Parkerized was excellent) and have shiny predator calling rifles! :shrug:
Added: that flier on shot #7 disqualifies it as worthy of your gun collection. Fos doesn't like the magazine and to make a truly clean break with such a dissapointing item, send it to me to get it farther away from you than CCP!
:confused: yeah but I can give it a great home here alongside another CZ 527 7 it will have great company next to the 221 FireBall. Heck maybe it's little bro can teach it how to avoid those nasty #7 fliers!! :eyebrow: :eyebrow:
On the camo gun . . .
+1 with Okanagan. I too was out calling here in WV a couple years ago. I was well elevated on the side of a hill and looking out over a couple of large hay fields. I caught a glimpse of light reflecting off something way off across one of the fields in some woods. After watching the reflections move along for about 50 yards I could make out another hunter walking along a haul road. He was at least 500 yards from me. Without the shiny rifle I prolly would not have noticed the hunter??? Calling in and killing a coyote is hard enough. I need all the advantages I can get. My rifle is camoed!
Jim
Quote from: possumal on September 21, 2012, 08:10:51 PM
Semp, I shoot some at long range, no question, but they'll spook way off just as quick if they see a shine where there isn't supposed to be one.
I agree that it is best to dull the shine on most hunting guns. It can't hurt and most likely will help.
Oh I totally agree a camo gun does not hurt for sure and I always prefer camo over shiny...but depending on where you hunt and all it can be a big deal like in the high open mountains, or a smaller deal in thick woods...I'm confident in either when I use a gun, hell Ive taken everything from deer to grasshoppers with the .357 in my avatar and shes purty shiny :wink:...although it would look pretty slick with a nice camo powder coat on it :biggrin:
The place I will say camo on a gun is a huge asset is Turkey hunting cuz they are looking right at you when you call em in and as I said before the last 2 I got I had em literally yards away when I shot em.
Now I understand why everyone uses Red lens on their lights shiny white bright lights while calling runs them away.. :sad:
Can't night hunt in Kaintucky, Richard, so the red lens does not enter into the discussion (lol). It is noteworthy though that Gerry Blair has said in print, many times, that you go to just as much trouble at night as in daytime with your camo, etc., if you want to have ultimate success. I'll just take him at his word on most things coyote.
Guess I am helping rape Nastygunz thread about his new CZ.
Sky lining yourself in the sun on the way to stand is a big no no. Unless I am doing it to an area I aint hunting.Meaning I might walk out in the open sun on the way exposing myself to god and all his creatures in that area but not to the ones I am hunting in the other area.
I believe it was Gerry that showed you can hunt while wearing a big azz bunny suit as long as you set up properly.
If a new guy is studying up on coyote hunting 2 of the first things he reads or hears about setup is NOT to face the sun and too set in the shade. This makes shiny barrels a mute point on stand.
I will agree that setting in the sun and moving around with a shiny barrel on stand will hurt your success.
Few things I know for fact in life but one I do know as fact:
"We can make this thread 100 pages long going back and forth about shiny guns. In the end I will believe they do not hurt my chances at a coyote and you will still believe they do." There will be some on my side of the fence and some on your side of the fence but at the end of those 100 pages there will be no more productive info than there were on that first page and we both will look like old women bickering.
Does this mean that, those of us who are successful with shiny guns, are better hunters than those of you who have their guns all camoed up?
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Sometimes I just kill me. :laugh2: :laugh2:
BTW Nice shooter Nasty.
I have seen the light and have been converted. I am going to spray half my gun with some Wally Mart silvery paint and camo the other half.
Now I got all bases covered. I needs all the help I can gets.
Richard, I sure wasn't bickering, and didn't think you were. Point is there is no advantage to having a shiny anything when hunting predators. Gerry Blair was proving that the ability to sit still as a rock would allow you to get away with some mistakes. He did that on a sounder of Javalina though, and that spiny little piggy can't even warm Wiley up when it comes to tricks of the trade and all else sneaky. I may carry some thing to an extreme in my approach, including wishing I could wear contacts instead of glasses, which would allow me to not have my glasses pick up the chance to send a shiny signal to a customer. Can't wear them though; tried them three or four times. A face mask always ends up fogging up the glasses sometime, and that is to be avoided if you are like me. You might say I am somewhat paranoid about how sneaky and smart old Wiley is, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure pertains here too. You can't be too sneaky but you can sure mess up in the other direction.
If you have a beautiful, good shooting rifle or pistol that really floats your boat, by all means, enjoy looking at it in your mancave and when showing it off to friends and fellow gun enthusiasts, but either put a camo wrap on it when hunting predators or accept the fact that you are taking a chance that is unnecessary. I personall don't care if a feller wants to hunt with a mirror finished weapon, but I don't want him to screw up a stand with me along. So far, I haven't had anybody buck that kind of thinking, and they are all real successful coyote hunters. Some of them are downright good coyote hunters and have accomplished this in a relatively short period of time.
Here's shining at ya! :biggrin:
Quote from: nastygunz on September 21, 2012, 11:27:47 AM
On the subject of camo guns...I own several and like em..but alot of game was taken and still is without camo guns...IMHO whilst it might get you busted...I do not think to many critters stop and say " damn a shiny gun barrel!"...in my case in NH/VT I almost always hunt in the woods and no sunshine is on me or my gun..however as for turkey hunting then I do like a camo gun cuz being birds they key in on color alot and my last 2 I have shot eyeball to eyeball with me :yoyo:...Possumal I think you should have to hunt with a solid chrome gun with maybe some pimpin racin stripes to give them poor coyotes a chance sir !
--------------
Nice little rifle sir, CZ makes em good for sure. The 14" length of pull is my only complaint. 13&3/8" is what fits me. I have shortened some of my rifles and shotguns, but I really don't like to do that. As far as camo, don't worry about it. Sit in the shade while calling when you can, but I am one old man that don't use any camo on my rifles. My shotgun came from the factory with camo finish though.