I was working at my computer this morning and ran across an old clip from last fall. I lost the original footage somewhere and was surprised to find this short clip. The story of the hunt is HERE (http://www.finsandfur.net/forums/index.php?topic=366.0) I remember this coyote was tough it took a direct hit at around 7 or 8 yards from a 110g v-max. It then jumped up and ran another 20 or so yards. The hole in the coyotes chest was bigger than my fist.
I have seen coyotes do this several times through the years and was wondering what is the average on your coyotes to run?? Bang flop mostly?? Run 10,20,30 yards?? Most of mine usually go 5 to 20 yards on average with some bang flops but most seem to move around some what.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/th_b5715bf5.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/?action=view¤t=b5715bf5.flv)
Below is the clip compressed below 1mb for dial up.
Edit to say if I have already shown this let me know cant remember :confused: :doh2:
Awsome story Rich, and awsome footage. :yoyo:
That's pretty good...... :highclap:
Aaron........ :roflmao: Ya crack me up dude!! :eyebrownod:
Same, a mixture of both bang flops and sprinters.
Well, then there's the ones you know you hit dead on :innocentwhistle: and never see them again :doh2:
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Well, then there's the ones you know you hit dead on :innocentwhistle: and never see them again :doh2:
Oh.......we're going that way with this eh? :wo:
I owe ya....... ;yes; ;yes;
That was a pretty cool clip there.
Most of mine are bang/flop. maybe 5 foot.
That was pretty cool how that sucker let you get that close and then after the next shot take off like that. That was some good footage. Aaron
i've had that happen with one coyote i hit broadside in the ribs with a 12ga. brenneke slugg. A doe did that when i shot her in white spot under her chin too. went down, gave a little flip-D-flop leg action and went still. I walked up, pumped the action an she took off like a bat out of hell. Went about 50 yards too! I still dont get it. Do you think its the adrenalin mixed with instinct to flee?
Nice clip Rich!
We get a mix, but for the most part we get allot of bang flops. Every once in awhile we get a runner but I dont shoot a real fur friendly round.
Brent
ACDC was a nice touch. :biggrin: Great clip! :congrats:
That was a good video clip, but didn't look like a good hit to me. Ugly flesh wound I think?
I don't know how I missed this clip...Great footage Rich
Heck where is your partner CCP2 been?
Quotebut didn't look like a good hit to me. Ugly flesh wound I think?
The bullet blew up on impact. It was a 7 or 8 yard shot head on in the chest. He was shooting the 300 whisper with 110g v-max at 2260fps.
This is the entrance wound in the chest
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/entrancewound.jpg)
And here is the exit out the shoulder.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/Coyoteexitwound.jpg)
I was shooting the 130g bullets and no problem with blow up. Since I switched to the 110g v-max we have big holes on close coyotes. May have to switch back because all our coyotes are close. :biggrin:
QuoteHeck where is your partner CCP2 been?
He went and got Married on me. He will be back around come fall :wo:
CCP ,
It looks like a raking shot to me. Was the coyote facing the shooter, or was it angling sharply away?
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He went and got Married on me. He will be back around come fall :wo:
LOL you hope ? :laf: Oh and btw where do we apply :readthis: at to take his position after the Fall noshow ? :eyebrow:
Jeb
QuoteCCP ,
It looks like a raking shot to me. Was the coyote facing the shooter, or was it angling sharply away?
Rich he was facing the shooter it was a head on shot.
Here is another example of an entrance wound. This is a frame grab from one of my clips on youtube. This is a five inch hole going in and a 1 1/2 to 2 inch hole going out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/Fiveinchhole.jpg)
The coyote in the "How tough are coyotes" clip would have stayed down but me running over right above it moving around caused it to jump up and run off.
QuoteOh and btw where do we apply readthis at to take his position after the Fall noshow ?
Talked to Aaron this AM and he assured me he would be here this fall. :innocentwhistle:
CCP ,
You gotta aim a little higher. That was a near miss. :roflmao:
Rich I know you are pulling my leg but you would be surprised by how many E-mails I have received stating we need to learn how to shoot. I think a lot of them think of deer hunting and get misguided. This may also be the reason alot of guys loose so many coyotes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/anatomy_coyote_side_I.jpg)
The low in the shoulder shot always works for us. Must be something to do of where the heart is. :roflmao: :roflmao:
There are probably lots of coyotes that died a slow liver failure death from guys shooting low behind the shoulder.
Almost every deer or coyote i have killed has been a neck shot, works every time. It dropped a coyote with a 22 mag. from about 40yds. :sneer:
CCP ,
I was having a little bit of fun with you, and making light of the fact that you didn't actually experience a direct hit on that coyote. If the big bullet you were shooting had hit the center of the chest or throat, an instantly dead coyote would have been the result. Your bullet struck too far off center and simply raked muscle and bone. I have experienced bad hits on a few coyotes, but I ain't afraid to admit it. :innocentwhistle:
Many callers do not realize that head on or quartering toward shot is a tough one. It has to be center mass or the natural construction of the coyotes frame causes bullets to either splash or deflect from vitals.
Rich, I'm still pricing around to get that 243 in the AR format before contest season. Looking like a $1400 deal.
Randy Roede ,
When you consider the price of good rifles today, getting exactly what you want for 1400.00 doesn't sound too bad. I like your choice of caliber too.
Quotemaking light of the fact that you didn't actually experience a direct hit
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QuoteIf the big bullet you were shooting had hit the center of the chest or throat, an instantly dead coyote would have been the result.
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QuoteYour bullet struck too far off center and simply raked muscle and bone.
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CCP,
Try shooting a paper target at 8 yards, and see how many inches below point of aim your bullet strikes. Once you learn to hold high on those close shots, you will have a little better luck. :wink:
QuoteCCP: .... all our coyotes are close.
QuoteRich: Once you learn to hold high on those close shots, you will have a little better luck.
Or you could just sight your rifle in for 10 yards :wink: :laf:
"Or you could just sight your rifle in for 10 yards "
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Just a joke I hope? A lot of hunters don't realize that their scoped rifle will shoot a few inches low at very close range. This is because of the scope being mounted above bore line. The higher your scope is mounted above bore line, the lower the bullet will strike at close range. (Below where your crosshairs are looking). :innocentwhistle:
Yes Sir... that was meant as a joke ( notice the :wink: :laf: smileys).
Pick me, pick me........I knew that. My rifle shoots almost exactly 3 inches low at 25 yards or less....... :biggrin:
Always a good thing to know when you're shooting inside a den at scrambling pups....... :nono:
That WAS a joke.
I wonder why you can shoot a coyote or a deer, take out their heart and both lungs and they can still run quite a few yards?
BUT you shoot a prairie dog dead center and he will fall right in his hole most of the time........ :wo: :confused:
Life's questions can be so puzzling..... :iroll:
Reminds me of the time we were on the Artillery range "calling for fire". A deer showed up on the range, which is a big deal in the military. Ya can't shoot if something is on the range.
Anywho, it was just a few of us red neck boys on the range so we decided to bracket that deer and do what they call "Fire for affect", which is hammering 3 HE (High Explosive) rounds where he was standing. We listened to them babies fly overhead, the earth erupted and somehow that dang deer made tracks outa there......... :wo:
Just ain't no figuring some critters..........I thought for sure those 105mm rounds would take that deer out. :shrug: :doh2:
I started this thread "asking how tough are coyotes? I then posted a clip and a few pics of a coyote that was shot in the chest and it exited the shoulder. The bullet completely discentagrated the heart and lungs.
If I had not immediately ran over to the coyote it would have died quickly where it was.
Most all of the post were pertaining to the clip or giving there experience on tough coyotes. Rich your responses have been more on the line of me lying or my shooters can't shoot. The bullet entered exactly where it was supposed to, it did create more slash effect than expected on entry. This is something that we have learned about this particular bullet . It creates around five inch entrance wounds at chest and body shots.
In the future we will continue to hold for heart shots no matter the range it has worked very well for us. In the past 2 ½ years using this rifle, cartridge combo we have not lost a single coyote. Yes there is the occasional miss as all hunters' experience. I sight in my coyote rifles the same for the past 20 years they are shot from 10 to 200 yards and everywhere in between. I being a reloader and avid shooter for most of my life understand fully.
I will not argue with someone about there shooting ability on a heart shot or how dead a coyote really is. If you have any stories to share about a tough coyote I and a lot of others would love to hear it.
If you have any gun or shooting advice that can help the members please start a post and help the new guys. I do find it a good subject and sometimes take for granted that everyone already knows.
Here are a few more low heart shots.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/FnFhole-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/FnFhole-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/FnFhole-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/FnFhole-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/FnFhole-4.jpg)
If you want to continue this conversation feel free to e-mail me and I will call you. If we don't see eye to eye than we can put each other on the I don't like this guy list.
Hey CCP, I'm headed down your way tomorrow and in lieu of the heat instead of a hunt Ill settle for some lessons on those grazing shots you make so consistently. :wink: RP
"I started this thread "asking how tough are coyotes? I then posted a clip and a few pics of a coyote that was shot in the chest and it exited the shoulder. The bullet completely discentagrated the heart and lungs."
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A coyote still alive with no heart or lungs left? I don't think you are lying CCP, just mistaken is all. I'm done with this subject.
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Correct me if I'm wrong please, but can't a person still have brain activity for nearly five minutes after the heart and lungs quit?
I think so.
That being the case. If an animal has a similar type of respiratory and cardiovascular system........couldn't they still be moving just because their brain is still telling them to do so, even though they are dead?
My guess would be yes, but what do I know? :shrug:
I think they even have a name for it. Something like instinctive or reflexive response.
Quotejust mistaken is all.
The pic below clearly shows the exit wound with no blood meaning no heart beat. The coyote got up and ran 20 yards no blood. If you notice in the footage of the coyote chewing his foot the one the bullet exits no blood pumping out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/Coyoteexitwound.jpg)
This pic shows the entrance being a large gapping hole coyote ran 20 yards notice the lack of blood. Only blood spatter no pouring of blood. Reason no heart beat.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/COYOTE%20STILLS/entrancewound.jpg)
I am not mistaken it is right there in living color.
QuoteI'm done with this subject.
Same here it I dont like arguing when I already know I am right.
Now lets get back to some tough coyote stories.
:huh: Somebody turn on the air conditioner :innocentwhistle:
You're getting soft Jimbo........... :wink:
I've been soft for awhile now........or is that fluffy? :wo: Aw heck, what does it matter........ :biggrin:
I'm feelin' some bad vibes here man :mad3: :holdon:
I do however, have a very similar tough coyote story that i'd like to tell (without facing a firing squad please :fingerx:)
I was trackin two bucks that had bachelored up in late december of 05 with my uncle. We were on opposite sides of a ridge from one another (me being the beagle and uncle posting on the back 40) when i heard three quick shots. I snuck quickly up the ridge and scanned around for any flags booundin away. what i saw, was a mess! My uncle had stopped to shake some snow out of his boot and while doing so, noticed two coyotes headed right for him at full sprint! Apparantely, they were chasing one another and never noticed my uncle or his mini-14 because at less than 10ft they got dropped. The first yote was hit twice, in the ribs and in the gut. The second yote was hit once in the throat. I walked up to the dogs and noticed that coyote #2 had her throat completely mangled, she kinda whimpered and struggled so i finished her quick with my 30-06. Coyote#1 looked done, didn't move at all. When she heard me fire, that yote took off like a bat outta hell! I caught her in the back of the head/neck at about twenty yards, but even after she went down I was shook! Completely baffled. If you ask me, I think its that last shot of adrenaline before the curtains close.
Thanks for reading my story guys.
That would be freaky Bush~ especially being that close to it all. Cool story. Now let me tell you where you went wrong.
:roflmao: I'm kidding
I think the heat's getting to Rich and Rich. Couple months from now when the fur's prime they'll be belly up swapping stories and laughing.
Sounds like we are talkin about a coyote running 20 yards....20 yards is not very far. I know deer can do that easily if not paralysed by the first shot (spine hit, neck hit) even if their heart and lungs are blown out. Usually happens if I walk up on the animal immediately after shooting and the animal isn't dead yet. Big bucks especially are tough. (I think they are a different species from regular deer anyways) Adrenaline does it I think.
I think Rich and Rich are talking about the same thing but different aspects of it.
We shoot 22-250's most all the time. Most of the coyotes drop right were they stand and some most all will flop around a little. Every once in awhile we get one that jumps up and runs 20 yards or so before a pile up. If I am not mistaken JD shot one last year right threw both lungs at a pretty good distance. Thought it was a missed shot even walked over to were the coyote was shot at no blood no coyote. After reviewing the film ( at the house) you could clearly see the coyote was hit. A quick trip down to the spot again and some searching ( Hard searching) and found the coyote. It ran a good distance with no lungs at all and no blood!
I have seen this allot with deer. Blow out both lungs and top of the heart and they run several hundred yards. Even with a bow, and with a the gun shot it just adds to the adrenaline rush of the animal even more.
CCP said he jumped strait up and ran over to the coyote if he had set there it may not have moved but he was filming and was looking for a different filming prospective. I'm sure the Adrenalin of all that went on had allot to do with what happened. But that dont take away from the fact that it was one tough coyote.
I just cant see from the picture were there was a bad shot made. That coyote should of just laid there. I have had bad hits as well, I'm sure we all have and I have had new loads splash on coyotes when they hit bone. But that's one big round he is shooting out of that gun, even if it did splash it left one hell of a exit hole right behind the shoulder.
Brent
I know you guys are talking coyotes here but one day I shot a ground hog with a 44 mag lever action.I split this hog right down the middle he rolled and flopped around. I watched him for a little while I thought he was dead took my 150 yard walk over to him and before I got to him he started crawling toward the edge of the feild.I hurried up so I could finish him off didn't want him to lay around and suffer.When I got there I couldn't beleive that he was still alive.His insides were laying where I shot him and he was still crawling around.
My point a ground hog isn't near as big as a deer or a coyote but if they can still crawl around with there guts laying 10 feet away from them then why can't anyother animal
Just my .02 worth
Well as the shooter in this little clip i would like to share alittle bit more of the story with everyone!The morning started out about 20 miles away,we had a place scouted out and we was fired up about getting there but like always theres the unexpected.When we got there there was rabbit hunters every where, so instead of calling it a day we went to another spot we had called coyotes the year before ,we just went in a different way.To make a long story short, me and CCP walked down between 2 chicken houses 2 a hardwood creek that lead to a big clear cut.It was bout 3 mins into the stand and CCP seen the coyote about 100 yards in front of us jump the creek and circle down wind.Unfortunately for the coyote the wind changed and CCP throw a few barks at him from his KEES CUSTOM HOWLER and within seconds he was WITHIN 15 STEPS!!Now heres the catch there was a big brush patch between us and the coyote, I COULD SEE HIM MOVING THROUGH IT BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH I DONT KNOW HOW HE DIDNT HEAR MY HEART BEATING!!!But after about 10 mins LOL probably 10 secs he couldn't take no more and came right around the brush top and looked me EYE TO EYE AT ABOUT 8 STEPS and i let him have it!! It may just be me, but personally I take pride in my shooting and I feel I made a pretty DAMN good shot on that coyote!!!!!
I think so too :wink:
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:shrug: Ya got my vote Son
If I shot half that good, I would be suffering A LOT less ribbing from a cajun that takes ribbing to a whole new level :fingerx: