Hi ******
As you are probably aware, Predator Masters has been incorporated as a non profit organization.
This means that our policy and direction will be set by a board of directors.and some changes may be made. As part of the reorganization, we will be enforcing TOS more strictly.
As a result, some members will be receiving the following notice.
This is not a result of your recent posts, but simply a statement of our policy.
Due to the complaints received by Predator Masters from members and moderators alike concerning your antagonistic and abrasive posting history, this message is to advise you that any further instances will result in immediate and permanent loss of posting privileges.
Reasons for immediate loss of membership privileges also include private messages or emails that are in violation of our terms of service, and sent to members or staff of Predator Masters.
Membership in PM is free. We are a nonprofit corporation, with a public image to maintain. If you are a member and you bring our reputation into disrepute, or attempt to, by a F/W conviction or trashing us elsewhere, we will simply revoke your membership. Membership here is not a right, it is a privilege. We can and will cancel it for any reason we see fit. If it is in the best interest of PM, that is a very good reason to do it.
If you have legitimate concerns about Predator Masters, they must be brought to one of the moderators or directors.
Conduct yourself accordingly.
Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.
Jim Renaud
Predator Masters spokesman.
This is the mail that my "friend" received. I understand that there were only a few sent out. Maybe their intention is and was to weed out whomever they sent these mails to. Who gives a rats ass at this point? It was sent some time in July but only now have I taken it upon myself to post it. Why? Because it has been eating at me for a while and when I first read it was disgusted. It is not an unreasonable request for the most part but the bolded sections are the ones I disagree with, wholeheartedly!
They have the Balls to go around telling people that they are watching over them and if they misstep in an email or on another board they will be banned? WTF? Am I wrong in thinking this is BS? :shrug: KC!
First off pm in this case stand for Private Message To me that means it should be for my eyes only not all mods to see and How the hell are they reading someones email isn't there laws against that :shrug: if not there should be
they read other peoples messages, no doubt about it. They also delete the ones they don't want people to see such as product reviews that go against their but buddies foxpro and good stuff about people they don't like such as THO.
As far as them banning someone for their activity on other boards or private e-mail regardless of what is said in the e-mail is wrong!!!
They are so communist it isn't even funny. Thats why most of the mods get no respect and people are laughing at them all over the net.
they are a bunch of whack jobs!!!!
Did these go out to general members or advertisers killersqualler?
JD
I think this is a real good read
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96430,00.html
It explains the public disclosure requirements of non profits. This is something I don't think was really thought about before they filed for the non profit status. Actually it probably will work against them, along with having the public examining their books they will also have the membership seeing the income and expense.
It's not right that they can read your PRIVATE messages or e-mails. If they are not out on the open forum then it is only the business of two people! The one that sent it and the one that received it!!! PERIOD!!!
I will have to respond to this farther tomorrow just got in and got to go.
QuoteReasons for immediate loss of membership privileges also include private messages or emails
QuoteIf you are a member and you bring our reputation into disrepute, or attempt to, by a F/W conviction or trashing us elsewhere, we will simply revoke your membership.
QuoteWe can and will cancel it for any reason we see fit.
I swear these guys would probably vote for Hillery Clinton she seems to think just like they do.
Dictatorship in it's truest fashion.
Yeah, reading PM's over there is not an issue to them. I've mentioned B4 that there's an option in their control panel to "become this member".
I know of a couple cases where PM's were read by other staff and I was asked to react as administrator. I wanted nothing to do with it.
I think every member here KC, that was on PM, got a copy of that letter now that you showed it to me.
Things definitely changed, thats for sure. Ole Will Craig is rolling over in his grave looking down at their rubbish I'm sure.
"Things definitely changed, thats for sure. Ole Will Craig is rolling over in his grave looking down at their rubbish I'm sure."
Amen brother !!!
Quote from: KillerCaller! on August 21, 2007, 08:10:05 PM
They have the Balls to go around telling people that they are watching over them and if they misstep in an email or on another board they will be banned? WTF? Am I wrong in thinking this is BS? :shrug: KC!
Nope, ya ain't wrong at all. They are a bunch of forum Nazi's. Really quite pathetic. :rolleye:
"Did these go out to general members or advertisers killersqualler?
"Because of this the"members of interest" " , have all received the following notice" is how mine reads plus a few extra lines that where thrown in for my benefit. :confused:
I have to say that the frog has lost his f^(&!#* mind. I never got this email but would have loved to have had it at the time he pulled his shit on me. I know he would have been back peddling on the crap i would have been asking. :biggrin:
And I know he reads the messages sent as I sent one from Camerons profile to my old one and Cam was then Banned. Just a simple message to myself that said if your reading this redfag you still suck.
But life is better here and the frog can lick my sack. And Froggy, if your reading this post......YOU STILL SUCK (http://www.smileyhut.com/fighting/fist.gif) (http://www.smileyhut.com) (http://www.smileyhut.com/angry/fyou.gif) (http://www.smileyhut.com)
Will Craig's dream was somewhat different than most folks know about. I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes at Predatormasters since I gave up my moderator position there. I can tell you that during the time I was a moderator there, the nonsense we had to endure from troublesome members was downright crazy. I told them several times that moderators should have the power to suspend or ban the members who refused to conduct themselves in a respectful manner. I was voted down every time. That fact is one reason that I gave up the moderator job. I am not saying that all of the changes they have recently made are good, but being more firm regarding unruly members was a good move in my opinion.
Heck Rich back in your day there was a few unruly moderators too, but no where near as bad as the few they have now. :biggrin:
Whats sad is ALL the moderators know this letter is going out, and the few I had respect for are still there. Any mod/admin worth a salt would have been gone when they started invading PM's, and SHOULD HAVE been gone when they started to dictate their members opinions and actions on other boards. To say the least I'm really disappointed in a few left behinds.
I understand that a few may be unruly but that does not make it right to dictate what someone else says on another board. I still can post over on PM but I have pm'd questions about the changes and such to mr frog and he awensered them back. I am still there needless to say.
Private messages are just that,, private,, & not "Under Moderator review messages". I just sent one to another member there & when it gets intercepted the crap will hit the fan on me but I don't really care. Trashing the 1st Amendment while upholding the 2nd Amendment is just plain wrong. In my world it's all or nothing. :readthis: There are no fences to set on!! :rolleye: And I'm all for both of the above mentioned Amendments whole heartedly. :congrats: :congrats: :biggrin:
HaMeR ,
If Predatomasters staff are slipping in and reading private messages that are sent to members on that site, that is indeed wrong. I also agree with upholding the first ammendment, but that right does not give anyone the right to assault people by name calling and such. Shucks, if I stepped outside , yelled at my neighbor and called him a G.D. Faggot, I could be arrested for disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct or even harassment or assault. I have always been against bashing other boards, or calling people names. I always will be. It isn't right to allow that kind of conduct on this board either. Predatormasters has a good Attorney if you get my drift. Board wars are not pretty either. I know because I have seen a few. :wink:
Rich, everything you say is true, if it is done publically!! Things said and done in private are protected. To read someone elses mail, email, private message, tap a phone call, or spy on them in any way, without their explicit permission, is called Invasion of Privacy and is against the law. As a former LEO you should already be aware of that.
NASA ,
You are correct of course. One problem that folks should remember however is that when the name calling or slander is posted on a public forum like this one, then it ain't private anymore. As a learned Rocket Scientist you should already know that. :roflmao: Your post is very much appreciated Tom. You came right out and stated your opinion without stooping to childish name calling. :wink:
Not too up on the legal issues, wondering if their attorney feels that there is no violation of the intrusion into seclusion laws? Especially if it wasn't agreed to in the TOS. Are these letters just a form of a Cease and Desist letter.
Maybe all the moderators are not aware of what's going on or what could be going on. I'm sure that most of the 10,000 members have no idea that their PM's can be or could be monitored. I'm sure it would go over real big.
TOS? the thing they boot people out for not following but turn around and do the same stuff their self's...LOL Tis all a joke.
Seems everyone agrees on the subject of reading the messages sent in private. But when anyone, if anyone, brings this to light....how long are they going to be a member there? Will anyone with the knowledge of this that can do something, do it?
I have always and will always say what I think. It's my right and by doing this I also know I'm not always right in the way I do it. In other words I am human and I do screw up. But the things I have seen and heard of that they do over there will do nothing but bring more people to the other boards. So in a way I think they are doing everyone a favor. The mass gets a taste of it and when they find another place to call home that runs totally different they are happier. I know I am. And I still hate frogs! Name calling or not, the low life knows he has done wrong and won't own up to it.
Still some good moderators over there.
Since the personal message feature (PM) is provided by the board, on the board, for the board members I can understand how the board (redfrog) can believe that the board can take action against a member that uses that feature to attack another member IF one of the members involved files a complaint. Monitoring those PRIVATE messages is wrong since a reasonable expectation of privacy exists.
If they take action against a member because of the content of an e-mail ,which is recognized to be a private corresponance,then that can certainly cause problems for the frog.
Name calling has never particularly bothered me, in fact it has often been entertaining. Rich has called me some interesting names over the years. The only time I received a warning from the frog was over a name change that I addressed CCP , and I did it in humor. I guess frog didn't see the humor.
Every moderator over there has to know about that standard letter, and if they do and support it, are they "Still some good moderators over there."?
Its kind like moving into an extremely racist town filled with "KKK" members, then trying to convince outsiders you don't support and share their ideas, but ya still got the white sheet with their logo on it, folded up in your closet from your house warming party. :confused:
Quote from: Todd Rahm on August 22, 2007, 03:00:13 PM
Its kind like moving into an extremely racist town filled with "KKK" members, then trying to convince outsiders you don't support and share their ideas, but ya still got the white sheet with their logo on it, folded up in your closet from your house warming party. :confused:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Now that's a good one! Sort of like being just "a little bit pregnant". :biggrin:
I'm going to jump right on board and say I agree that there are still some good moderators there. I know that to be a fact. The problem is that the few who remain good and true can easily be outvoted by the "mob mentality" of the rest.
One thing though, unless it's changed is that the general moderators do NOT have the capability of looking at private messages because the feature that allows them to become "this member" only exists on the control panel to which only administration has access. So, those folks would only be the "board of directors."
True...and we know Redfrog, Crappy, RanUtah, Stu, and Mike Mcasland would never read the Pm's :roflmao:
The bored of directors have no right to read a PM either.
Can someone tell me HOW the hell they read YOUR E-Mail ??? unless they have some 15 year old "hacker" they are NOT reading your e-mail !!!
as for the PM's,,truth be known,,they Probably sit and "STROKE" each others uh,,uh EGO over their "Power" that they have over the Mighty Predatormaster Minions
Bob
I am not sure if it went out as a special delivery to everyone, DogBoynine.
It's always fun when you get to peel back the facade and see the gears working. Isn't it? Everyone is going to have a different POV on this. It could be that they are working in concert with the CIA and are sniffing out Al-Qaeda plots?
I have seen RBuker post in the past and I will paraphrase, "It's the Internet! You have to have a thick skin to be on a message board." This is true! The hunting forums consist of mainly grown men and smart ass kids. If you can't take a few jabs you have the option to log off. Besides, anyone that has been on-line for more than 20 minutes has seen and or heard more than they have in their entire lives. I can punch in Disneyland and in two minutes find a picture of Mickey and Minnie going at it, Mousy Style!
I have no problem with them policing the open forum the way they want. It's their job. When it moves to pm's and other boards it crosses the line. How would they know if an email was sent in regards to PM? I could send JOEBLOW an email regarding a post on another forum and call him a shit brick. He could then send it to one of the admins and I could get banned. Wow! That's logical. :sleep:
OHBob, they can't read the private emails. They are saying if you violate their TOS in an email to someone from the board or an admin you will be banned. Write someone a four letter love note and you can be banned is the point.
Wow! I hope no one saw that. I just quoted myself and replied to Bob. How lame am I? Don't answer.
Sad but true :rolleye:
It still blows me away.
Oh by the way....if any of you guys say bad things about Fins and Fur or any of our guys on the phone, in an e-mail, PM, Valentines, nightmares, dreams, tattoos......your banned :roflmao:
Does PM T.O.S say anything about wearing a Fins and Fur Hat? Maybe someone should let them know their TOS needs to be revamped to accommodate our line of apparel :roflmao: :roflmao:
(http://finsandfur.net/store/images/POPhat.jpg)
Hey! I thought I ordered that hat! :wo:
You said you were gonna but never did. Better hurry though there's only a half a dozen left setting here.
Jim, Those are even flex fit?? SWEET !! I love the flex fits I get from Loren.
Will them ever get on the prize list for board contests??
Oh, one other thing.....are we all gonna be banned from PM over this thread?
JD
Only the people wearing one of those hats. The Purchase Orders get carbon copied to Rednut and craphappy :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Probably. But the good news is that they are fighting for your right to keep and bear arms!
It will be interesting to see if they do ban some and not others. They pick and choose the ones to weed out. Those guys that were banned last year caused quite a pickle for them. They took sides with the wrong guy and realized that more people backed the banned than the doo ragged and be-speckled.
Not a single person,that cares, who is still a member there has violated the TOS that I have read.
Go and read the TOS, it states nothing about pm's or email. They are just making it up as they go along.
the funny thing is, when 2 people go at it on the open board the Mods. step in and say "take it to PM or mail"
But now, if you do what they want you could get banned? what a crock of crap.
they are just stupid hillbillies that get their jollies off of what?
as I said, no wonder why people laugh of them. sure they got alot of members but who cares. Most members don't even post.
look at the member list and see how many posts each of them have, not many!
It really is just a minute percentage that actually post and keep the threads alive.
If they went in and deleted the members who have been there for years and have lett than 10 posts, they would lose an ass load of members.
If the PM Admins really are monitoring Personal Messages, then they need to post a notice that they do so. Since it is their board and you are using their software to send the Private Message they have a legal right to "monitor" the content of those PM's. But they have to let the members know that they are exercizing that right.
The company I work for sent out a notification that all email sent from company computers will be monitored for content. If objectionable content is found, you will be terminated without recourse. Had they not made this disclosure first, they would have violated the law and been liable for a law suit.
Quote from: canine on August 22, 2007, 08:52:01 PM
Jim, Those are even flex fit?? SWEET !! I love the flex fits I get from Loren.
Will them ever get on the prize list for board contests??
Oh, one other thing.....are we all gonna be banned from PM over this thread?
JD
JD
I got banned a few Months ago,,so they can go to hell !!! oh wait,,they may Ban my Grandson who is 7,IF he ever gets on a Board,,that is a good question,,how far forward in the Family Tree can ole RedAss lay down a Ban ??? :laf:
Bob
Quote,,how far forward in the Family Tree can ole RedAss lay down a Ban ??? :laf:
I guess that would depend on wether or not it forked. :shrug:
:biggrin:
So, if I was to write one of the guys over there an email saying something like redfag buys those horses for other reasons.....and the guy I send it to sends it to a mod I could get banned. Or If I was to type PM suck here on this board and someone saw it and told the mods I could get banned. Hmmmmmmm.... :confused:
What if I just email the mods and tell them PM suck and so do they. I guess I would ......no wait, already done that one and they have already banned me. Dang, I guess someone else will have to tell them.
Need their emails? :readthis: :eyebrow: :innocentwhistle:
A little off topic.
Still some good moderators over there.
Who do you think is the best moderator\Administrator on that board? My opinion it's Watson. That sucker is nothing but business on that night forum and that might be why it's the best forum on that board. He's not jumping around forum to forum making goofy off topic posts and I'm not sure I've ever seen him throw his dog into any body's fight. People might not agree with his methods but he sure appears to be a class act. I suspect he runs his business in similar fashion?
EDIT: BTW there's a couple in the firearms that also are very good!
^^^what he said. i think randy is a stand up guy and I know that whenever you ask him a question he awensers it and you know it is tested and proven. I also liked randy buker as a moderator over there. he is the same way. you ask a question you get a no bull shit awenser from him. I am guessin he is still the same.
to tell ya the truth the same went for brent, jim, jimmy, and rich and even though he is not here often lance homman(i think that he was a mod at one time). I allways pm'd these guys and they allways replied back normally the same day if not within hours and I knew I could count on them that it was not a made up or thought up awenser rather a proven technique.
Greenside is correct concerning Randy Watson. A real stand up guy there. I see that Mike Paul is back also. I don't know what position Mr. Paul has accepted over there, but I can tell you that there is not a more honest and straight forward guy around than Mike Paul.
Rich we don't agree very often but I haft to say Mike Paul is one topic we agree on! One of the most stand up guys I have ever had the pleasure of meeting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hands down! The first time I ever meet Mr. Paul he made an impression on me I will never forget! Ever!
So is Mr. Watson! And Mr. Randy B!
Brent
"Rich we don't agree very often but I haft to say-----"
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Gosh Kee, did we not agree on something or another? I can't hardly believe THAT. :roflmao:
Quote from: KillerCaller! on August 21, 2007, 08:10:05 PM
Hi ******
As you are probably aware, Predator Masters has been incorporated as a non profit organization.
This means that our policy and direction will be set by a board of directors.and some changes may be made. As part of the reorganization, we will be enforcing TOS more strictly.
As a result, some members will be receiving the following notice.
This is not a result of your recent posts, but simply a statement of our policy.
Due to the complaints received by Predator Masters from members and moderators alike concerning your antagonistic and abrasive posting history, this message is to advise you that any further instances will result in immediate and permanent loss of posting privileges.
Reasons for immediate loss of membership privileges also include private messages or emails that are in violation of our terms of service, and sent to members or staff of Predator Masters.
Membership in PM is free. We are a nonprofit corporation, with a public image to maintain. If you are a member and you bring our reputation into disrepute, or attempt to, by a F/W conviction or trashing us elsewhere, we will simply revoke your membership. Membership here is not a right, it is a privilege. We can and will cancel it for any reason we see fit. If it is in the best interest of PM, that is a very good reason to do it.
If you have legitimate concerns about Predator Masters, they must be brought to one of the moderators or directors.
Conduct yourself accordingly.
Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.
Jim Renaud
Predator Masters spokesman.
This is the mail that my "friend" received. I understand that there were only a few sent out. Maybe their intention is and was to weed out whomever they sent these mails to. Who gives a rats ass at this point? It was sent some time in July but only now have I taken it upon myself to post it. Why? Because it has been eating at me for a while and when I first read it was disgusted. It is not an unreasonable request for the most part but the bolded sections are the ones I disagree with, wholeheartedly!
They have the Balls to go around telling people that they are watching over them and if they misstep in an email or on another board they will be banned? WTF? Am I wrong in thinking this is BS? :shrug: KC!
Looks like an email I got......... :innocentwhistle: :biggrin: