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Title: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 14, 2008, 10:58:29 PM
Ok so yesterday the day started the night before when I went to bed after midnight.  Tried to get in the sack early but things just didn't work out.  Then along around 1:30 the new puppy's feeling the urge to empty her bladder.  So it's up and out of bed to let her do her thing.  Make it back into bed around 1:32 still in he A.M. only to find my mind running a hundred miles per hour about where I would make my stands and what calls I would use.   Then BAM, like a fart in church it hits me, I forgot to set my alarm :doh2:.  God bless that dog!  Had it not been for her, I would of slept in, right?  WRONG, I set it for 4:55 but forgot to hit the "alarm on" switch.   :doh2:  So the wife wakes me up around 6:30 and says,

"Sugar don't you need to check your traps before you go hunting" 

:huh: Dang it huh!

So I fling the covers off, take a quick sent free shower, and fire up the ole dodge.  Check the traps only to find that most of my bait has been eaten by mice.  I knew it was mice because of all the mouse turds he left behind.   :laf:  What do you do at this point other than laugh?  So it's back to the dodge and down the highway.  When I get to the place I want to park the pickup I was thinking about an article in the latest predator extreme magazine called "Why the don't come in!"  In this article they talked about all the sounds a hunter makes, one being the closing of the bolt on a rifle.  So there I am all camo'd up and ready to head up the canyon side to where I wanted to make my first stand.  As I set off I chamber a shell on my AR extremely slowly and quietly.  So anyhow I get to the spot...  There is a pretty deep canyon just out of frame to the right.  And I was sitting very near the edge of an intersecting canyon so I didn't have to worry about anything approaching from my right.  and behind me. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00202.jpg)
The sun was just starting to come up and is directly behind me.  I'm calling on and off for 7-10 minutes when I hear what sounds like snow crunching directly in front of me. I stop, look around, and nadda.  Hit the call again for only a couple seconds when a white mirror of a coyote appears directly infront of me.  There is a small ceder stump directly infront of the dead ceder in the center of the pic.  The coyote showed up just a few feet to the left of that stump and sat on his but just like I said "sit" to my lab.  In this picture the wind is blowing directly from left to right about 5-7mph, and the sun is directly behind me so I know I've got a little "slack" as far as being detected. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00203.jpg)
So there I am all excited, heart pounding, duplex on his chest, slow steady pressure starting on the trigger............

CLICK  :shck: Son of a gun!!!!  SLOWLY open the bolt and see that the shell is still in the barrel and there's nay a dimple in the primer?!?!?!  So I close the bolt as slowly and quietly as I can. Steady pressure......

CLICK.......AGAIN!!!  Seriously, again??? :sick2:  So I remove the mag, remove the shell, replace the mag, and slowly chamber a second round. Apply constant pressure......

CLICK!  Ok, at this point the yote's starting to look around and acting very nervous.

I dump the mag, remove the second shell, replace the mag, and let the latch go. :madd:  WHAM!  the bolt slams closed, I square up on his chest and BOOM!  The gun recoils only to settle on a spinning coyote.   :yahoo:  I got him! Talk about lucky to get him, as he sat there for probably 90-120 seconds. 

Anyhow I see him fall, or see what I thought was him fall.  :shrug:  Pick up my gear, and walk over to where he should have been laying.  And do you think he is?????  Negative.  This is what I see...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00200-1.jpg)
Followed by...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00192-1.jpg)
Followed by... How cool was that, a shed that the coyote led me to!
He then crossed this flat rocky area that was about 300 yards from where I plugged him,
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00199.jpg)
Blood was getting pretty scarse by this point only finding very small drops separated by increasing distances.  At this point I'm starting to think I maybe blew a leg or shoulder off and he's now a super motivated 3 legged coyote.  I used my shooting sticks to mark the last known blood spot as I tracked.  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00185.jpg)
At this point it's been a good hour of crawling on my hands and knees across level ground looking for the smallest bits of blood. 
Finally I track him to a small finger canyon that's real thick with ceder.  :fingerx:  As the terrain stats to decrease in elevation I start finding more blood. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00186.jpg)
Being that near a thick canyone I tell myself,

"Self, just give him a break and maybe he'll laydown and bleed out." 

So I give it 15 minutes and start into the canyon the whole time finding more and more blood.  At about 30 yards into the draw from where I layed down, a nearly solid blood trail leads directly into a thick clump of ceders.  I look in and to my delight...  At first I thought he was still alive, but after a direct hit from a near by throwing stone, I know that he's dead dead deadski!!!
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00190.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00194.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/DSC00196-1.jpg)
:yahoo:  Man talk about an emotional rollercoaster!!!
So I go for the camera, and hear a loud "THUD".   :confused: I look to my right to see my AR which I had placed on the ground on it's bipod laying on it's side.  Seems I had placed it on uneven ground in haste to take pictures and it had fallen.  So I pick up the gun only to find an 1/8" dent in the scope just infront of the front ring in my new $600 scope.   :doh2:  Looked like someone hit it with a hammer. Dad gum, back to an extreme low! :sick2:  Anyhow, I called it quits because I didn't want to hunt with a rifle that was surely not going to be sighted anymore until I could put it on some paper to ensure it's accuracy.  So I drag my coyote back 1/4 mile to where I shot him, then another 1/2 mile to the pickup.  I hop in the pickup and drive to a family members house about a mile up the road.  I caught him in the middle of chorrin.  He stil had to pump water for his cows and feed his hawks.  I describe the mornings happenings, and he said,

"Hey if you wanna go water the cows with me we can shoot prairie dogs and take a few back for the hawks (He's a falconer, 1 Ferugenis hawk, 2 harris hawks, and a Prairie/Jear Falcon cross and they love prairie dogs).

Anyhow seeing as I now didn't have a functional rifle I would hang out with him for the rest of the day.  So as we're pumping water, we walk to a nearby prairie dog town 1/3 of a mile away.  We get there,, spot the dog we want to start with, and lay down prone.   :doh2:  Note to self, watch for cactus before you lay prone in the middle of the Comanche National Grasslands! :shck:  Anyhow after a good 5 minutes of pulling cactus out of my knee with my leatherman, we spot a little PD at 259 yards.  As I'm laying prone (away from the cactus) just putting pressure on the trigger his little buddy pokes his head up over the back of his friend.  Dave's got the binos saying...
"Shoot now and you'll get em both!" 

So I continue with the pressure and BOOM...WHAP!  LOL SWEET my scope's not ruined, looks a Little bad but it's still a shooter!!! :yahoo:  And sweet I just got a double. 

Anyhow my day went from the highest high to the lowest low a half a dozen times.  After skinning that coyote I found that the bullet with in his chest just inside his left shoulder and exited behind the right shoulder.  He was hit solid!  Just goes to show how dang tough these critters are.  When I pulled him out from under that tree every drop of blood he had left drained out of the exit hole.  He was dead on his feet just filling up.....

And at this point you're all probably tired of reading so I'll leave it at that. 

Thanks for reading everyone!

Joey Gacnik
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: keekee on January 14, 2008, 11:11:08 PM
Very cool! Thanks for the story! I enjoyed it very much! Oh, and great pic's!

I had that problem with the AR before, seems if you dont slam the bolt shut it will do that from time to time, even my 1187 shotgun will do that if I dont let the bolt fly free. It sucks when the gun dont go BANG!

Brent
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: FinsnFur on January 14, 2008, 11:48:59 PM
Wow dude  :nono:
I think you've traumatized us all reading that play by play. Nice write up  :yoyo:
Your perseverance paid off

Hey  :confused: someone lost a glove in that one picture.  :shck:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Nelson on January 15, 2008, 04:47:16 AM
Nice story and pictures. 
No matter what happens, if we keep plugging along
we'll usually get there!!   :eyebrownod:   :eyebrownod:

Nelson
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Troy Walter on January 15, 2008, 06:19:33 AM
Nice story, you could write for a magazine..
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Post by: Hawks Feather on January 15, 2008, 08:28:33 AM
Joey,

That does read like it could be written for a predator hunting magazine.  But if they don't like it, submit it to Psychology Today with a follow up of your mental health since this happened.  :shck:   It really is well written and the pictures are great in helping tell the story.  I had some fears when you said AR and slowly and quietly.  I have always heard that it needs to "do it's own thing" when going closed.  Next time you are at the falconer's place you will need to take some pictures.  Around here, with the exception of Bowling Green State University (OH Jim, not KY) which has a falcon as a mascot, the only ones we see are either in the sky or sitting in a tree.

Jerry
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: frshwtr on January 15, 2008, 09:27:15 AM
just got to ask; where did you hit the coyote?
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 15, 2008, 10:08:14 AM
I hit him where his left shoulder meets his chest and the bullet exited behind his right shoulder leaving a 50 cent piece sized hole about 6 inches back from where the back of his shoulder meets his rib cage.  Make sense?  :confused:  Maybe this will help...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/Frontonpicture.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/Broadsidecoyote.gif)

Jim, if you look closely you'll see that someone left a PAIR of gloves in that country...  :laf:

Yer, I'll get some pictures next time I'm down there.  They really are the ultimate predator. 

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Post by: Todd Rahm on January 15, 2008, 10:28:58 AM
Hey super write up and nice job on the coyote Joey, to include the tracking.  :congrats:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: ohiobob on January 15, 2008, 10:36:19 AM
PP
That was VERY good Write up, I followed it perfectly, I was worried,, like Jerry, when I saw where you said you let the Bolt on the AR go Closed softly and Silent  :holdon: But Glad that All turned out in the End  :yoyo: did you hit the Forward Assist when you slowly let the Bolt close ? i Let mine slam shut AND Push on the Forward Assist, just to make sure
How far did the Coyote Travel in total yards from where you Shot him, to where you Found him ?
Good Story and Good Job
Bob
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 15, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
Bob,

I did not hit the forward assist when I initially chambered the round.  After the first click, I tried it but nothing, then again after the 2nd click I tried it several times makin sure. 

I figure he traveled around 400 +/- yards in nearly a straight line.  Dang critter was tough!  As much as I would hate to, his carcas is not rotten yet, if I can get western enough to cut him open I'll see what the bullet hit.  Heck might even take pics ifn it's ok with Jim.

Joey
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: possumal on January 15, 2008, 11:48:57 AM
Joey: As least it all turned out o.k., and your wife did call you "Sugar" when she woke you up.  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 15, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
She did!  Usually it's "sugar britches"  But don't you be tellin no one!

Yoey
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Hawks Feather on January 15, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
Yoey,

I sure hope you appreciate your wife as much as you should. 

Yerry
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: FinsnFur on January 15, 2008, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 15, 2008, 10:50:53 AM

I'll see what the bullet hit.  Heck might even take pics ifn it's ok with Jim.


You know I dont care Yoey.  :nono:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: Silencer on January 15, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
Great read, thanks for sharing.  Did you pick up your shooting sticks where you left them for a blood mark ?  :eyebrow:
Hope you dont have to go back for em  :laf:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: LBLDOG on January 15, 2008, 01:56:40 PM
great story , I had that happen to me turkey hunting with my 11-87 REMINGTON I had to slam it on a jake coming in ,wouldnt fire till I slammed it. I was like you got the jake even after slamming it. :congrats:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: newbomb on January 15, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
I would like to see the autopsy pictures..........sugar britches.
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Post by: KySongDog on January 15, 2008, 03:10:49 PM
Great story!! Even better pics!  Thanks!  :highclap:

If its any help, ya gotta let the bolt fly on a Benelli SBE too. It has to have enough inertia to make that 1/4 turn when closing or it won't go bang for ya.  Don't ask me how I know this.  :biggrin:
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Post by: frshwtr on January 15, 2008, 05:46:42 PM
wanted to say  this in my first post; really good job tracking. it just goes to show a good hit sometimes allows them to put down quite a few tracks. many a critter (animals of all kinds) are left to rot in the woods ecause people dont care or have the knoweldge and apptitude to tack like you did. congrats.  by the way one of my first questions to my hunting pardner ( locallyt known as THE BOY who actually is my son) whenever he says "i got one" is where did you hit it.
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...
Post by: cb223 on January 15, 2008, 08:41:43 PM
Great write up and pics!        I let the bolt slam on my AR, even though I know that I should be as quiet as possible.

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Post by: Jeb on January 15, 2008, 08:54:57 PM
Very good story ! Thanks for posting it  :highclap: :congrats: :congrats:
                  Yeb
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 15, 2008, 11:42:14 PM
Well it happened fellers.  It got about as western as it's ever gotten in my shop.  I was bored so I figured I'd see what this coyote was running on. 

In doing the autopsy I discovered that I had the entrance and exit would locations reversed.  The entrance was actually on the inside of the right shoulder and exit on the coyot's left side.  Same location just on the opposite side.  My bad  :doh2:

Anyhow here's the entrance hole. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/EntranceWound.jpg)

Exit
With castration band for size reference. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/ExitBand.jpg)

Bullet travel path
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/BulletTravel.jpg)

Right lung just inside the entrance hole.  It's got a through and through hole.  Just clipped the top quad of the lung.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/RightLung.jpg)

Left lung infront of the exit hole.  Bullet passed through and through the middle of the lung and pretty much destroyed it. 
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/kowotie/LeftLungExit.jpg)

Total this coyote had 6 holes in him

1 Entrance hole
2 Holes in the right lung
2 holes in the left lung
1 Exit hole. 

Just goes to show you these critters are as tough as they come.  400 +/- yards with no lungs. 

Hope you all ejnoyed the autopsy, as I really took one for the team on this one. 

Yoey
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Post by: Frogman on January 15, 2008, 11:50:52 PM
Nice story and pictures. 

Jim
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: ohiobob on January 16, 2008, 12:01:47 AM
Quincy M.D.
Nice Story and Autopsy, I can't believe that Coyote was Hit like that and went 400 yards, they are resilient
Didn't you say that the Blood Trail Stopped at some point, or the Blood Trail really Tapered off to just a few Drops here and there ?  if so, wouldn't you think you would have heavy, constant Blood ? all I know is this, that Coyote there REALLY wanted to Live !!!
What type of Bullet was you using ? and was the Shells Your Hand Loads or Factories ?
Thank You
Bob
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 16, 2008, 07:57:15 AM
Bob,

Yes the blood trail slowed to me just finding blood that rubbed off as he ran through a few clumps of high grass.  As he crested the hill and started to head more down hill I started finding more blood, then as the trail got really hot at about 30 yards from where he fell the blood trail was very easy to find.  I figure the angle of him heading down hill put his holes in position to drain more.  Where as when he was running on flat ground the holes were above the increasing bloodlevel in his chest cavity. 

I was shooting 55gr, remington's.  I can't say weather the bullet was a lead tip or hollow point as I had 2 or 3 hollow points that shot the same mixed in the mag.  I've yet to get a load setup for the .223.  So far with all the factory ammo I've used I'm not too impressed.  I'm not throwing in the towel yet buuuuuuut, know anyone who wants a brand new .223 RRA Heavy Barrel Upper??  :innocentwhistle: I can honestly say I've never had to track a coyote that I've shot with my .243 more than 20 yards.  And typically there dead where they stood.  I wouldn't mind a nice .243 upper considering I already reload for my current .243. But I hear AR's can be very picky about re-loads. 

Joey
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Hawks Feather on January 16, 2008, 08:17:14 AM
Doc Yo,

Nice job on the operating table, but it appears as though the patient died.  I know that you hate to waste anything, so make sure you wash that little green band before you put it on your next call. 

Yer
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: vvarmitr on January 16, 2008, 08:51:09 AM

Yo:
Not much I can add to the above posts, but wanted you to know I appreciate your thread.  ;yes;
Yames
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: possumal on January 16, 2008, 10:12:01 AM
A friend of mine in Georgia loads the 60 grain Hornady V-max and really likes it. Another friend loads the Sierra 50 grain Blitzking. Both have outstanding results, both with accuracy and kill power, and little fur damage.
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: FinsnFur on January 16, 2008, 08:25:54 PM
That is amazing how he could run that far in that kinda shape.
Hey, nice job on the autopsy :congrats:

I'm thinking about getting a vasectomy , you busy?  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Purgatory_Predator_Calls on January 16, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Yes Jim, I'm busy.  In fact I won't be free for the rest of my life.  Sorry pard!   :laugh3:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: FinsnFur on January 16, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
 :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Hawks Feather on January 16, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
Jim,

All you need are a couple of bricks and someone to smash them together with your "parts" between them.  It will only hurt if the other person gets their finger between the bricks when completing the procedure.

Jerry
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: possumal on January 17, 2008, 08:24:09 AM
Damn Jerry, is that experience talking?  :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Hawks Feather on January 17, 2008, 11:32:40 AM
I heard it "years back" when I was helping castrate pigs.  The farmer said it was what he used on bull calfs.   

Jerry
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: WhiteHare on January 17, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
Do you suppose that's where the "Nutcracker Suite" came from?
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Silencer on January 17, 2008, 04:08:18 PM
QuoteI'm thinking about getting a vasectomy , you busy?

After you wash that green band send it to Jim and call it even  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: FinsnFur on January 17, 2008, 04:30:57 PM
 :nono:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: HaMeR on January 17, 2008, 05:43:09 PM
No need to wash it!! I seen where his hands were last week in another thread here!!  :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Post by: newbomb on January 17, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
Thanks sugar britches.
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: FinsnFur on January 17, 2008, 06:20:41 PM
He's talkin to you Glen  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Hawks Feather on January 17, 2008, 06:48:02 PM
That "green" band might be easier to find and a couple of bricks.  Good idea.     :innocentwhistle:

Jerry
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: HaMeR on January 17, 2008, 07:44:36 PM
Uh huh!! Not me man!!!  :pout: :pout:

You're the one wearing those rubber gloves on a date & claim your workin in the FUR SHED!! Not me!!  :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: azfester on January 18, 2008, 11:15:44 PM
thanks for the read and nice yote...
Title: Re: Emotional Rollercoaster...Autopsy update.
Post by: Arkyyoter on January 20, 2008, 10:04:28 PM
Ya'll beat all, ya know that?? Sheeesh  :innocentwhistle:  :biggrin:  :wink:


GJ Dr Yoey....