Eastern Coyote Tips
A Pro's Secrets
Those of you that got a chance to read this article, tell me what you thought of it.
Is there a link there, or are ya just askin? :confused:
Got the mag. Havent read it yet.
What month?
The biggest majority of the article talks about guns and shooting. It was just ok, at best for me.
April 2008 Kyle
No link Joe.....just looking for some opinions before I give my thoughts
i will be right back :roflmao:
Nope.... Sorry, I haven't seen it.
Who wrote the article ?
I had a subscription at one time but when it ran out I never renewed. Those pages were just too darned slick for use in the outhouse. :laf:
Maybe I'll pick up a copy and check it out again. :shrug:
THE REMEDY,,
how is the area specific???????????????
CHOOSE YOUR CALL
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THE SCATTER GUN
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TIMMING IS EVERYTHING
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THE SOLD LOCK
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BODY LANGUAGE
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HOW TO STOP THEM
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Add east to the title and we will look ,, that all I can make of it
joke!!!!!
It was written by a fellow named Emory Josey. I thought it was a filler article when I read it. In my opinion, I sure didn't see anything advanced about what was said. It really wasn't much of a help article for a newbie either. I have never heard of Emory Josey, but he may be one of wisest of the wise. If this article is typical of what we can expect from him, it won't sell a lot of subscriptions.
I don't know the guy that wrote the article,,
but let me give him a little help on what mistakes not to make in the east
1, Don't under estimate the days and nights it will take you to harvest your eastern coyote , keep at it
the more time you put in the more critters you will see.
2, when its your 75th dry set up of the year, and it 4 degrees don't let your mined tell you to stay home.
the fraise (you cant kill them from behind a key board is true.) get out there,
3, when times get you down go out west calling and get recharges .
4, because you are going to have so many dry stand don't let your confidence in you calling ability dwindle,
go in the wood every time knowing your the best.
5. because you make so many sets a in the cold keep your gun in a soft case in the back of your truck
every time you get out your gun, check you scope before starting to call a spot, so itS not fogged up.
6, keep one call at all times in a pocket so when the one your using freezes from spit and cold at the worst of times, you can reach for the worm one in your pocket
7, Don't get rapped up in coyote calling pro's from west of the Mississippi,
8, Any call will kill coyotes on any given day
9,you really don't $500.00 elec,calls any one will work ,,,,if you work it.
GOOD HUNTING
Emory Josey?
Ok, Google search time: "Emory Josey is a freelance writer who has a weekly column on the outdoors page in The Macon Telegraph" .
Sports | www.macon.com
Edit:
All good points to consider, George. :highclap:
May I add one more...
10, Don't let your calling partner eat @ Taco Grande before the hunt. :doh2: :puke: :sick2:
Quote from: George Ackley on March 12, 2008, 08:10:25 PM
I don't know the guy that wrote the article,,
but let me give him a little help on what mistakes not to make in the east
1, Don't under estimate the days and nights it will take you to harvest your eastern coyote , keep at it
the more time you put in the more critters you will see.
2, when its your 75th dry set up of the year, and it 4 degrees don't let your mined tell you to stay home.
the fraise (you cant kill them from behind a key board is true.) get out there,
3, when times get you down go out west calling and get recharges .
4, because you are going to have so many dry stand don't let your confidence in you calling ability dwindle,
go in the wood every time knowing your the best.
5. because you make so many sets a in the cold keep your gun in a soft case in the back of your truck
every time you get out your gun, check you scope before starting to call a spot, so itS not fogged up.
6, keep one call at all times in a pocket so when the one your using freezes from spit and cold at the worst of times, you can reach for the worm one in your pocket
7, Don't get rapped up in coyote calling pro's from west of the Mississippi,
8, Any call will kill coyotes on any given day
9,you really don't $500.00 elec,calls any one will work ,,,,if you work it.
GOOD HUNTING
NOW that's what I'm talking about. I needed to be reminded of rule #4.......it's been a rough year this year....... :innocentwhistle:
I skimmed through it and did not learn much. it seems alot of what the put in there is the same old fluf with different way of writing it. he has been writing articles for them for atleast a year. a little tip if ya want a free supscription to this buy something from allpredatorcalls.com they send a free subscription to you.
I read about half of it and moved on. :sleep:
I felt like I already knew what he wrote. It didn't seem new to me at all. I was also expecting an article like the one from those New York fellas last month tho.
Just my take on it.
Quote from: FinsnFur on March 12, 2008, 07:34:45 PM
April 2008 Kyle
No link Joe.....just looking for some opinions before I give my thoughts
Thanks Jim... I haven't got mine yet???? Guess I need to find out where mine is.
QuoteAdd east to the title and we will look ,, that all I can make of it
joke!!!!!
I will agree with George on this.
I did read the article by Rich Higgins and found it to be very well written and some good info in there. I just wish they could have given him 15 or 20 more pages to write on the subject. Maybe there will be a follow up on the subject.
Rich Higgins did write a very good article. One that should open some eyes a bit if they read it .
Emory Josey has never impressed me as a writer. But this article reads to me like he did his research on the internet .
Jimmie
I did read the article today and can say it didnt meet the title. ???? I thought it was a fair read, but was not what I expected.
Riches article I did enjoy though! I thought it was very well wrote and had allot of good info I could relate to!
Brent
Skimed through :sleep: Got a lot more out of George's post :yoyo: Just got to keep at'em!!
I thought Higgies discussion on howling was a good one in particlular. It made a lot of sense to me. Helps me understand why I have never been such a big fan of howling as a primary call. Jimmie
Yeah, it didn't do much for me either. (Here we go PX bashing! :innocentwhistle: )
George: now that was some good stuff there. But that #3 ... go out west? :confused:
Why don't you write an article for PX? ;yes; You're off to a good start right there. :wink:
This was edited for any PM bashing. I'm part of the solution & not the problem. :biggrin:
I was unhappy with the article and the working the light article ,,,
but as for the mag predator xtreme love it,,
Higgins article I though was a very good read.
what didn't you like about the light article george? I thought it was a well wrote aritcle showing the different ways to hunt. I pretty much keep the light on all the time and then when they get within range I hit em with the scope light which is a good bit brighter. I learned though that only do this when they are in range. they have allways threw the brakes on and sat down pretty.
Ben,
I am going to try and give my outlook on this article ,please bear with me.
The article talks to I think 4 callers and all are grate callers , but there was nothing in the article for the every day caller..
Working a light red or white is all relative to your area, the cover in your area,the critters in your area, the hunting light pressure in that area.
Mr Hauer talks about his technic of working a light, witch he tells us ,he see's the fox at a distance shut the light off and works him with a call till its within gun range . that's great if it's working for him and more power to him if it is. but my question after reading his comments, where is he hunting , what type of terrain,
Dose he have a gun light? or a hand held light?Is he the shooter ?or is there a shooter with him?
what is IN RANGE?
All Mr.Hauers said that I read, was he shuts the light off on incoming targets till there in range.
Again that's fine if its working for him,
But the things that I don't see are. Were is the fox when the light comes back on???
is he scanning the light again? did another fox, bobcat or coyote move in ?
If the fox moved in closer ,,,what happens if Mr Hauer scans left trying to find his now dark and unseen target ,,and the critter now is 30 yard to the right looking at Haurer's profile aglow in red light.
Try and turn your light off in hard woods on a incoming critter and then minuets later try and turn it back on
se if the shadows bouncing of every tree don't play hell with you trying to find your target again..
In a perfect situation when I know I am calling a field that's not, or isn't worked with a light much
I get set up call for 30 or so secants turn my light on and if and when I get a target, he gets light till I kill him or my shooter kills him or any of his littler critter friend that come on seen. in short,
My light blinds him from seeing me,,,,,,,,,shut off light his better night seeing ability will possibly pick up me or my shooter movements..
My last thought on Mr Hauers paragraph is this,,they tell us he is hunting Maryland but he believes a white light will send a (New England reds packing for new territory's,))
Just how big of a light is this guy using?? new England foxes from Maryland.
One hunter they talk to is a predator night hunting guide, that has large key ring and like a million Acers to call on. I just didn't see the relativity of the info on working a light under his or the other Texas boys circumstances has to do with the majority of us..
Sorry I didn't take much from this article but the commercialization of the people in it,,,,,
George
Quote from: George Ackley on March 13, 2008, 12:56:38 PM
Just how big of a light is this guy using?? new England foxes from Maryland.
:roflmao:
Great review George!! :congrats:
well tell ya the truth hauer uses a lightforce. I keep telling guys they are too bright anyhow. :nono:
I must be lost. I thought this thread was started by Jim to check out what we thought of the article "Advanced Eastern Coyote Tips" written by Emory Josey, appearing in the April 2008 issue of Predator Xtreme. I made a post giving my opinion on that article. Where do these other writers enter into his article? :confused:
Al, I think the guys that have the mag [I don't] have expanded the discussion to include some of the other articles in that edition.
^^^ yeah what he said ^^^
So everyones elses assessment of it was pretty much the same as mine.
I seen that topic teaser on the cover and the first thing I looked for was the author. Emory Josey :confused: never heard of him.
I did manage to get all the way through the article but it was because I was trying to find something that would at least indicate to me that this guy knew the difference between Western and Eastern coyote hunting. But the kicker here was that this was ADVANCED Eastern Coyote Tips :whew: yeah ok.
The article could have been titled "Brett Favre retires from Green Bay Packers", because the content of the article covered just as much of that, as it did hunting Eastern Coyotes. :wink:
Stu: I realized that is what happened. Just trying to make the point we got off subject a good deal.
Jim: My sentiments exactly.
Emory Josey is so set in his ways .... I wish a coyote would pattern that easy!!
a friend of mine ate dinner with him once and Mr. Josey told him to never hunt eastern Coyotes at night. When my friend asked why?.....He simply said Cause I am to old to do that crap, I like my sleep and you are messing up my daytime hunting by educating them. If a coyote were as closed minded as Emory Josey they would be no fun to hunt at all.
I think he needs to stick to killing all those coyotes he talks about and give up teaching, if he is always going to push "his way" and stop learning for himself.
I read his stuff but I try and remember who I am dealing with. RED BETWEEN THE LINES if you know what I mean. :eyebrownod:
AL
http://www.geocities.com/alscalls/coyote.html (http://www.geocities.com/alscalls/coyote.html)
Good post George !!! And Chet , your #10 :roflmao: :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao:
Jeb
I finally got around to reading it, didnt hold my attention at all.
I read the article and found the introductory statement under the title more to what the article was about. His title should have been "get your equipment squared away before you attempt to call and kill a coyote". But as I continued to read I felt that he was even more condescending as his keyboard screamed through his passages :puke:(barf)! I made it the whole way through and felt that those 5 minutes could have been used to clean my bathroom :sad:. Don't get me wrong, his words were eloquent and their usage quite flowery. But at this point after reading the title I want the meat and potatoes of Eastern coyote hunting :argh:, not that I need to clean my gun, excuse me, the ones that "he recommends", to kill more dogs.
A little late to the table on this one but I read nothing in the article I could disagree with.
Terrain and area really had nothing to do with his article. The comments by some of ya baffled me, so I went back and skimmed the article. :shrug: Terrain? Area? Did you actually read the article? The advice is pretty sound for western callers as well as eastern callers. It was mainly an article on reducing simple mistakes and not letting the easy things interfere with taking coyotes. :confused:
The Advanced Tips on the front cover was pretty misleading but IT IS the basics that are the back bone of being Advanced.
Reading an article in a magazine has never tipped me over in my chair.
Let me put it this way...
I've never had an Emmett Brown 1 point 21 Jiggawatts moment after reading a piece.
oops! I must have been writing while Jbordy was, with a nap in the middle... Similar thoughts.
Quote from: George Ackley on March 13, 2008, 12:56:38 PM
Ben,
I am going to try and give my outlook on this article ,please bear with me.
...........................
George
George,
"but there was nothing in the article for the every day caller.."
Guess you read a different article than I did. I don't know the articles author and won't say its well written, but anytime an experienced predator hunter offers ideas, suggestions or advice, the "every day caller" ought to pay just as much attention as a rank newbie IMO. Even if from your own experience you disagree, it may still get you thinking and discover something similar you can use.
As a long time close friend of Pete, I can assure you his methods for calling red fox do work very well for him. Pete has hunted NE red fox for around 30 years, while growing up in PA, and in MD where he has lived and worked since the mid 80's. He works as an investigative biologist at Johns Hopkins, with a strong background in animal ecosystems and zoology. So analytically finding answers to questions carries over into his understanding of predator behavior by default.
As for some of your questions...
"where is he hunting , what type of terrain"
Most of his red fox calling is on very small farms that he has hunted for decades. Most have low hills, wood lots, crop and/or horse pastures , out buildings - some have small creeks.
"Dose he have a gun light? or a hand held light?"
Pete uses both - several brands and models, and most are equipped with removable red lenses. His current favorite is a very large gun mounted Light Force.
"Is he the shooter ?or is there a shooter with him?"
He's the caller, the shooter and the filmographer and only rarely hunts predators with another predator hunter. Often his teen daughter is on stand with him though, sometimes she runs the lights, but she doesn't call or shoot.
"what is IN RANGE?"
Pete is an extremely ethical hunter, so it depends on each situation. But by knowing every inch of the ground he hunts and the exact normal operation of the fox that use it, the near exact range to one is already known when spotted or shooting from just about any place to just about any place on these farms. He's told me of night hunts where fox were first spotted over 300 yards away, but he waits until they come in for close shots. His red fox firearm of choice is a Browning Micro Medallion 22 Hornet that he's owned and used for decades. Even so he wants them in close, and will not take the shot unless he is certain of the outcome.
"Were is the fox when the light comes back on???"
Between knowing about where the fox is headed for (from vast experience on that farm), maybe some moonlight, I don't think he has much trouble knowing pretty close to where the fox is when he relights it.
"All Mr.Hauers said that I read"
Not necessarily all that Pete said by any means... just all that the author of this article included in it. I think if you really want to understand more about Pete and his methods on red fox, you might try reading Pete's article in the December 2006 PX. I think it mostly came from his writings originally done for FoxPro as a field staffer though. Or, run Pete down on one of the forums he runs. He's a very nice gent who loves to talk predator hunting and share his experiences if asked.
If you reach him, ask him what his favorite red fox call is. (the answer won't be the Fox Pro) :wink:
Randy's methods work very well anywhere in the west (at least), not just in TX. You might give them a try no matter where you are before ruling them out.
"Sorry I didn't take much from this article but the commercialization of the people in it,,,,,"
And that responsibility lies completely on the shoulders of the article's author. I've known Pete, Mike, Randy, Jeff and Todd for years. Yes all of them (except Pete) has turned their passion for predator hunting into commercial venues. That doesn't discount their years of experience and just maybe having something useful to say to other hunters.
I don't know squat about hunting red fox in the east and other places other than what folks like Pete and friends in England/Scotland have shared with me. Not many red fox in the states I've hunted. But their methods work fine as another trick in your bag for the species we do have in large numbers out west.
All FWIW...YMMV
L.
Ladobe
I am shore pets a good guy and I know he a good hunter,
but I just scene the hole read to be not helpful ,
the questions of mine you answered are the ones I though should of been in the article .
And what was the guy talking about scaring new England reds? If Pete calling New England read from Maryland or southern PA he must have one hell of a call.
I only gave my opinion of the article, I don't have issues with call manufacturers if he told me that fox pro was a great call for fox I would agree with him, like I always say THEY ALL WORK
bottom line was i am a predator Xtreme fan, love the magazine, it just had 2 real bad articles in that issue...
my question was
"Were is the fox when the light comes back on???"
Between knowing about where the fox is headed for (from vast experience on that farm),
How would this be relative to the new guy ? he is telling us about turning his light on and off on a farm the he has vast experience on,,,, the new guy dont have this vast experience where they are hunting so its misleading them to turn there light off and on , and working a light in Texas on a locked ranch will really mislead the new guy
Quote from: Ladobe on March 26, 2008, 04:24:55 PM
If you reach him, ask him what his favorite red fox call is. (the answer won't be the Fox Pro) :wink:
l.
is it a ladobe call? I never knew you made calls or knifes till I looked at his photo page. http://imageevent.com/peteh/foxhunting;jsessionid=a16s7yjvg3.tiger_s
if you go to www.varminthunters.com it should bring up a forum board. I read there every know and then. pete posts regularly and seems to awenser pm's and question readily.
George,
I don't know you, you don't know me. I was only trying to answer your questions so please do not take my answers to be critical of your questions. That said...
I can personally vouch for a couple of three calls Pete has that are one hell of a bunch of calls. I can also say for certain they won't call predators to MD from Maine. :innocentwhistle:
But I think you're taking his choice of words "New England" too literally and letting it rub you when that's not the basic point he was trying to make. Might be a mis quote by the author, might be a generalization by Pete, but I doubt was said by Pete specifically for this article. Pete has hunted all over the north east, east, midwest, up into Canada and out west, and is a seasoned veteran when it comes to red fox on that large corner of North America.
The questions you asked not being answered in the article might have been beyond the scope of the article in the authors eyes, or he just failed to include any of those points if he was even aware of the answers to any of them at all. Regardless that also falls back on the articles author, not the people sources he chose to write about or quote. Veteran predator callers are not going to apologize for having done the time in the field to be seasoned veterans though – and that includes enough field time to know specific areas as well as the predators that live in them. That should be the goal of every want-to-be predator hunter no matter where he lives/hunts. Maybe you should consider dropping a line to Ralph Lermeyer and the authors of the articles via PX and let them know your opinion of the two articles.
As far as I know, PX is not published just for newbies to predator calling. Nor does the author of this article state that his article was only for newbies. So concerns how things are or are not relative to a new guy in this article are therefore out of context with regards to it.
"working a light in Texas on a locked ranch will really mislead the new guy"
I don't see why. The methods used will work every bit as well on public land as on private land. You don't need millions of acres and you don't need to be a seasoned veteran either. Spotlighting predators (in the west anyway) is almost as easy as shooting fish in a barrel - part of how Randy, Jeff ,Todd and others have made a good business out of taking newbies out to do it. It doesn't hurt that in TX most species of predators are not regulated with bag limits or seasons like in most states either.
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BigBen,
I don't make them anymore. But those I did make for Pete years ago have custom made reeds modified and tuned specifically for either his red fox or coon calling. I also have several friends in England and Scotland who have similar calls made just for their red fox there. They all love their calls, but the hardest part was tuning the brogue into those reeds so their local vixen would understand them. :laf:
L.
From time to time I see references to Predator Xtreme magazine. Is it worth subscribing to? What's the consensus of opinion? Thought I'd ask before I spent my money.
Semp
It's an alright rag. There aren't a lot to choose from pertaining to Predator Hunting. Not yet anyway.
Predator and Prey seems to have went by the way side.
My opinion is though they have a tough time coming up with content. Just an opinion. :shrug:
This "Professional Tips for Hunting the Eastern Coyote" was a good example. That article had so little to do with specifically Hunting Eastern Coyotes, it was silly.
((This "Professional Tips for Hunting the Eastern Coyote" was a good example. That article had so little to do with specifically Hunting Eastern Coyotes, it was silly.)))
thank you,, thats what i was saying,, Silly :argh:
My nephew tuned me into "Predator Hunter" :readthis:a couple of years ago. It only comes out 2 times a year but the reading to me seems pretty good. It is difficult to find at the news stands. I order mine through another forum. :eyebrow:
I don't mind Predator Xtreme but sometimes they leave a lot to be desired. But their mag. does not target coyotes specifically. A while back they had a couple good articles about mountain lions. I feel their gun articles are pretty good but I get bored quickly when they start talking slight differences in muzzle velocity and MOA and all of that. :sleep: :sleep: They have had good articles on coyote hunting and they have had their share of bombs. Sometimes I read for basic enjoyment but other times to actually glean information that will help me be successful. Predator Xtreme fills both bills but more for the enjoyment rather than the information.
It sure is better than reading "Ladys Home Journal"!!! :laf: :roflmao: :roflmao:
As far as the mag goes I would say it is worth it to subscribe. They do come up with decent content from time to time.
We all talk about the bad article and rarely the good ones. But just how many writers out there are as hung up on hunting coyotes in the east as we are? Not many . How many have the experience that is on this board? Not many. Now which one of you is going to take a creative writing class ? :eyebrownod: Jimmie
here is pete's explanation on his light use in this article. just for those that do not venture over there. http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=3&Number=52821752&Searchpage=1&Main=52785216&Words=+PH&topic=&Search=true#Post52821752