Anymore I will stay an hour or so on the same stand, all the mags have always said 15- 20 min. or so...... I have called in more than one that did not show for an hour or so. Or at least they did not get vocal till then.
What do you guys do, and what is your success with it? AL
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Excellent site Al. :wink:
Interesting subject you have. We rarely call less than 45 minutes depending on a lot of different things. Terrain, weather, location, etc.
It hasn't been unusual for us to stay on stand well over an hour. Many disagree, but it has paid off.
If it's just a numbers game then run n gun and who cares about educating them.
However, if trying to get the coyotes in that area..........call 'em in. Sometimes no matter what though, they will not come in. :nono:
I try and set up where the terrain will only allow the coyote to almost get down wind of me and I get a lot of hang ups just out of sight of course and almost downwind. This year the hang ups have been worse than in years past. I think they are evolving on me to a point. :doh2:
So for now I call a lot quieter and longer if nothing happens........then I make em mad at me with my howlers! :sneer:
In doing so I have noticed that some of these dogs will wait a long time before responding. :innocentwhistle:
dog gone it I wish I could be out right now :doh2: I am getting the itch real bad! :eyebrow:
I'll be back out this week for sure. Now tell one of your jokes I've been reading alot of them so be carefull........ :roflmao:
10-12 minutes max. Even if I kill one early in the stand I still stay the full 10-12. Try to get a least 25 stands on a good day.
20 minutes max for me. After a series of howls, and a couple routines of bunny distress, if I don't see anything, I start looking to exit. I think though that the time spent on a stand depends on if you are in thick cover, or in open terrain. I usually set up to where I like to see at least a 1/4 if not 1/2 mile in front of me, so if I don't see anything in about 20 minutes, there usually isn't anything in that area. I have stayed longer on a stand in thicker cover, and it has payed off. For some reason, they come in slower while in thicker cover, or it may just seem that way since you can't see too far in front of me. I am very famiiliar with the territory that I call and have been hunting it for over 20 years. Some think that spending less than 20 minutes is far too little time on a stand, but I know if they are not at that spot, then I probably know where they are and will go to that area. Here's a favorite place of mine. Notice the wide open territory. If I don't see movement in this wide open area in about 10 minutes, then they probably are off hunting the next section or 2 away.
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Everyone has their own strategy and opinion on this topic, so try several things and use what you are comfortable with. I'd rather go to a new spot after 20 minutes and try a fresh area than sit in 1 location for an hour at a time. Sometimes it pays off, other times I don't see a thing no matter how long I sit on a stand.
:holdon: Mannnnnn! I'm no pro...but terrain plays a huge role in the answer to this.
And as always coyotes cant read, so they rarely play by the rules.
35 to 45 minutes up here. Keep in mind if they aint buried in the snow next to us, they surely heard us coming in. Which means they got a long wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to come.
I cant even tell you how many times I've had a local ask me if I was in such and such place calling coyotes on a certain date and time. When I say, "yeah why?"...I get a, "I seen a coyote run across the road heading for the bluff, and I told so and so Champion must be up there calling coyotes."
I used to think they was playing me, but the accuracy of my location and the direction the coyote was headed, was to ironic. Especially when I park the truck a mile down the road and walk the creek in.
In the East...you'll have to have patience. These yotes aint, I say these yotes aint dumb.
QuoteMannnnnn! I'm no pro...but terrain plays a huge role in the answer to this.
No truer words were spoken. I scout almost everywhere I hunt and have a pretty good Idea of where I think the coyotes are at. I make my setup as close to where I think they are with in reason. So the coyotes don't have very far to come so 15 to 20 min is usually my time limit. It will only take a few min for them to close the distance then 5 or 10 more min to close those last few yards to come into view.
Now there are a few setups where we sit longer. These setups are usually when we are trying to get the sound from one farm we have access to and to another farm down the road we don't have access to. In these cases we want them to have time to get through all the obstacles to get to us.
QuoteIf it's just a numbers game then run n gun and who cares about educating them.
Bopeye we agree on many things but this ain't one of them. I don't think a short set helps educate them. If you are not there when the coyote comes he has had no bad experience. I think the bad experience that educates them is more when he hears the caller and sees and smells the human. Then he is more prone to identify one with the other. This is usually the result of a bad setup not length of setup.
Now I have tried both ways long and short stands and for me mid length stands seem to be more productive for me.. I think the best advice is try both in your area and see which one gives the best results for you.
QuoteI think the bad experience that educates them is more when he hears the caller and sees and smells the human. Then he is more prone to identify one with the other.
:confused: What if the coyote rolls in as you are leaving & either sees or winds you? Do you think that coyote will only be somewhat educated? Just wondering. :wo: I guess that would be where a different sound on the next setup in that general area would come in handy. :shrug:
WOW! I new opinions would vary but this seems to be a subject that could never end for all of us :shrug: I usually hunt at night and in heavy cover I guess I should have explained that :innocentwhistle: I have been doing this a long time and I am just trying to see if you guys know something I dont.
I want to learn all I can about coyotes when I can not hunt. You guys are helping and I want to hear more on this.....
What is your opinions on why coyotes hang up and howl and carry on just out of sight? :confused:
AL
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QuoteWhat if the coyote rolls in as you are leaving & either sees or winds you?
Good point but this can happen weather you are there 5 min or 5 hours. If you are not calling at the time maybe your just the guy that beat him to his rabbit. If the coyote sees or smells you while hearing the sound I believe he can possibly identify one with the other. If there is no sound during the time he sees or smells you than he only identifies with what he sees at the time.
I ain't no expert and surly don't know what a coyote thinks. I do however think even if he sees you and smells you and hears the rabbit at the same time it still takes more than one experience to make the connection. The more time I give him to see me and make the connection the more apt he is to make that connection. This is why we don't hang around after the setup talking we just get on outa there.
If a guy stays longer than I and is successful I surly aint gonna tell him he is wrong for doing so. I can only give him the reason that I do what I do.
QuoteI usually hunt at night
I probably couldn't be any help because I don't night hunt here it is not legal here. I have night hunted in the past but dont have enough consistent kills to give definite answers on the subject.
QuoteWhat is your opinions on why coyotes hang up and howl and carry on just out of sight?
I have only had this happen to me a few times. when it has happened it is almost always in my mind that I setup wrong.
As others have posted, it depends a lot on the terrain. Around here, we don't have the choice of stopping one stand and walking or riding a 4 wheeler from 1/4 to 1/2 mile to another location. Most farms I hunt are only good for 1 or 2 stands depending on the volume used and wind conditions. I have to go over several fences or through several gates back to the truck and drive several miles to another farm. A lot of good coyote hunters believe in 15 or 20 minutes as max, and they want to make as many stands in a given period of time as they can, making it a numbers game. I agree with Randy Anderson on this subject that you leave a lot of coyotes in the field with that approach. Given the fact that I always give them a few minutes quiet time before I start calling, and have killed a bunch that come in on the sneak after I have stopped calling, I seldom ever stay less than 30 minutes on a stand. If I am dealing with a particularly paranoid coyote or pair, I might go to a lot of trouble to make one really good setup. I would make one really good stand than a dozen just for the sake of numbers. That approach has worked good for me in central Ky..
Thanks!! That makes sense to me. :biggrin:
How do you post a photo here?, I want to show you guys something... :wo:
AL
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Here ya go, copied it from the Forum issue and question section
First:
1) Save your pictures into a file on your computer somewheres like "My Pictures".
2) Goto www.photobucket.com and create an account.(its free)
3) Once created, goto "My Album" and click "browse". (this will allow you to find your pics)
4) Select your pic. and click submit (you can select multiple pictures if you want)
5) Once uploaded onto their site find the properties to that pic and hit "control c" (at the same time) which will copy it for you on your computers clipboard and then come over here and create a new thread.
6) Once you have a new thread started hit "control v" (at the same time) and that will paste it here for you.
Make sure that you have [ img ] before the property and [ /img ] after.
Resizing using Photobucket:
If you are using Photobucket, All you need to do Is...... Click on the edit button. Scoll down to where it says resize. Select 75%, 50% , or 25% of original photo size and select resize.
Please resize to less than 600 pixels wide other wise it will spread the screen.
Thanks, I am working on it.
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I do not know what you mean by new thread I guess, I am not new to this PC thing but for some reason I can not get my photos to work here, Do I have to use photo bucket?
I will try again later. :shrug:
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I guess the photo bucket route is the only way I'm familiar with. The part about new thread is just
meaning when you start a new topic, or when you hit the reply button to post something.
Do you have a photo bucket account set up?
Hi Al. You don't need photobucket unless you want to post several pics in the same topic like when you're telling the story about the hunt. If it's just one pic use the Additional Options tab below the reply box on the left. Click on that. It will show a "Browse" tab. Click there to open your pictures on your computer. Select the pic you want by right clicking on it & choosing select. Then hit the
Post" tab!! :biggrin:
Show off ! :noway:
:laf: :laf: That's cool, I wasn't aware of that route.
I may just hafta remember that one too.
Like ya said, if ya just wanna post one pic.
Thanks Glen. :bowingsmilie: :biggrin:
If you don't use Photobucket or a program like it, I believe you may have to make sure the picture is resized to be acceptable for use on Websites and messenger boards.. Most likely, it is limited to a certain number of pixels. Photobucket gives you an easy way to do that, providing a link to copy and paste the Img. to the forum post.
I hunt diferetn grounds and terrains a lot. So what I do depends on where I am and what the population of the animals may be. In the LBL , it's 20 minutes max. Terrain is so steep and rugged that very few will be within range while I am there and whatever animals may be over the ridge can't hear it anyway.
Where the population is lower and terrain more rolling I do 30 or more minutes on stand. I know they are traveling farther distances to feeder fields . Terrain is more gentle allowing the sound to carry a bit further. I do a bit of homework to find the bedding areas if I can and this makes it more likely one will pass in the time I am there. Jimmie
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I guess I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree with some of you. It doesn't mean I think I'm right and you're wrong (even though I do) :eyebrownod: It just means we see it differently. All have some validity to them and have given them some thought. I still know that coyotes don't respond too quick around here as a norm, so I will give them time to do so. :wink:
One more quick thing. This has got to be the first time I ever saw someone hijack their own thread. :roflmao:
I thought I had jumped to a different thread by accident..............funnier than crap........ :roflmao: :roflmao:
Sorry about that I stopped hijacking my own thread and went over to Jims and met him for the first time and found out I do speak frog :roflmao: I also saw a photo of Bopeye trying to squeeze into a little T shirt that said bite me.......explains a lot. :roflmao: :roflmao: I think I am going to take a frog a hunting soon!!! :yoyo:
I still want to hear what you guys think about those hang ups??? :confused:
And thanks for all your help with the pics Hammer, your truck is just like my wifes come on back and she will pull ya out if ya get stuck in the mud :roflmao:
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Frogmans a good guy to hunt with for sure. Even after I irritated him for 3 days!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
For me it's usually until both feet fall asleep. Sometimes not until both legs do.
Then I gotta stand there against a tree or something looking like a drunk paraplegic until I regain my composure.
Mannnn that sucks :eyebrownod:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: I love it.........I should get something like that on video!! :eyebrownod:
Jim: I believe most of us have been there, done that. If you don't be careful, when you first put your weight on that dead foot side, you'll bust your ass real quick. :roflmao:
I wonder how much the human population has to do with the response times out in th counties around here. If a coyote i the LBL hears a call it's there in minutes. There are no houses there , just roads and trees.
I have watched a many a coyote sneak and take their time in the county. Peaking out from behind logs and even stopping to look and check the woods around them as they come in. Only at certain times of year will they howl at sunset on their own without being prompted by me. Everywhere you look now there are lights in the distance letting you know there's a house there. Road traffic is almost constant now even out here where I live and last until well into the night. Human noise is everywhere. Kids screaming, car horns, tractors are just a few of the sounds that you can hear in the distance. That dog it hears may be on it's track or not, they are never sure. Now throw in the terrain and travel distances to safetey to go along with all that. Could our neighbors be our problem with response times ? Jimmie
Al,
I'm looking forward to hunting with you. We will just have to experiment with some different stand lengths and figure out which length kills the most dogs! Then we can get all these guys straightened out. :innocentwhistle:
Jim
I have told many a non hunter that they are in the game whether they want to be or not, cause the coyotes are patterning them to. :eyebrownod: Think about it a vent coming from the house!!.....that animal can tell what you ate how many people are in there and even if those people will harm them or not like I say on my web site if you teach a dog to stay off the couch he knows right away wether or not you mean it! :eyebrownod:
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In my opinion, people building houses in every imagineable place has a tremendous negative effect on coyotes' response. There are areas around central Ky. where the coyotes are still there, but there free range has been invaded by home builders. Seems like there is a $300,000 home setting about anyplace you can imagine. They have dogs, kids, and visitors. It is no accident that they hear coyotes almost every night and occasionally see them cross a field, but they are lots harder to call in now than they were before the building boom started. The biggest effect it has on my hunting is that it has removed some of the routes I used to have access to when approaching a particular hunting area. Whereas I used to be able to pick the direction I wanted to come in from, I am now limited to perhaps one direction, and as we know, the wind doesn't always cooperation with a one approach area. The point is that the coyotes are going to do their thing regardless, but they become much more nocturnal in these areas where they interact with humans more.
This is just me........
Some of my best spots are on the edges of new subdivisions & the response time is often very quick. The coyotes aren't spread out & IF they are there that day you can almost pinpoint there location. The first coyote that I killed this year was a big female that I was seeing on my way home from work. I walked about 75 yards behind the guys house & called up 3 house dogs :doh2:, I moved about 100 yards & within 2 minutes I killed the coyote.
There are new houses going up left & right around here & I have lost some good ground but I still hunt around those areas. There may not be as many coyotes as there once was but there are still a few there. I try to get on the edges of the thickets & keep my calling soft, mouse squeaks & bird sounds work pretty well. But like Al said it can be hard to approach those areas without being smelled or seen.
Here's my hi-jack to the thread, how many of you keep calling after you've called up a house dog? I have never called a coyote after dogs have came to my call.
Back to the original topic. Its a rare stand that I sit for over 15 minutes.
When the subdivision is being built or the individual houses, there is a lot of grading going on. The coyotes know it is a good place to get an easy meal. In the case of a complete subdivision, they just adjust and get pushed out more to the country. They are still there, but they just get more nocturnal. The more negative effects I am describing are where there are big homes built on a 5 to 10 acre plot, spread out a good deal but invasive to a large previously great hunting area. It creates a situation where they interact much more with people and their pet labs and such. I tend to do better there when the weather has really been cold, the ground is thoroughly frozen for a week or more, and they are having a hard time getting an easy meal.
I am with you Al. It seems like the only place they want to build is right in the middle of a travel lane. I have a new one next to me. He put it right at the back of the property and a long drive to it, smack in the middle of the travel lane through my place. And the Amish moving in and breaking up the large farms hasn't helped either. Makes access harder to get to some farms as well. Folks are afraid of ticking off the neighbors.
I too switch stands after calling the dogs.
As you can see it just depends on your circumstances where you live. You do what you have too in order to score. Jimmie
My buddy Dave and I use house dogs to our advantage If you listen to them carefully you can tell where the coyotes are going to come from. :eyebrownod:
A fellow trapper and hunter once told me to listen to the dogs yours or someone elses they know more than you do. :eyebrownod: He had an old coon hound that used to growl when a coon holed up and then she would walk right back to him....Once a newbie asked Why she had come back and my friend knew by the growl that the coon had holed up.
He simply said that is posted ground over there and she wont hunt posted ground. And he never told him any different :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I do not quit when I have called in a house dog I try and pay attention to them and see if they will tell me where the coyotes are.
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At the LBL I worked a group of coyotes last year for right at an hour. I would have given up on the stand, but they kept getting vocal with me. When they finally did show up, I fired a couple warning shots with my 10 gauge and left it at that...... :eyebrownod:
Saying a coyote will always do this or that is risky. They are a canine and all animals that come from female canines will make a liar out of you.... :eyebrownod:
Worked a coyote this year at the LBL for a good while, then someone else did the dirty work for me......... :rolleye: :doh2:
Two years ago I was doing a set just above a river that was covered in thick vegetation. I kept catching glimpses of an animal so I just waited. At least a half hour later he showed himself.......tisk tisk... :wink:
Chet and I was hunting last spring and set on sound about 40 minutes or so. It started getting hot so we broke stand. When Chet stood up all heck broke loose. The coyotes that weren't more than 75 yards or so from him didn't like him much...... :nono:
We're they coming in or had they just been laying there.........don't know? I do wish I would have given that stand another few minutes.
All I"m saying is that there are no hard and fast rules.
I've been taking a "short cut" to work for almost a year now. They have put in so many stop lights on my usual route that I was convinced that this other way was quicker. The last two weeks a person I work with and I have pulled up at the stoplight at the same time on 3 different occasions. I took the "short cut" and they took the "usual" path. The've beaten me two out of three times..........wonder which way is better? :confused:
I'm still taking the dang short cut...........it makes ME feel better........... :laf:
i think every hunt is different n every yote will do his thing when he wants to do it.
the dog will dictate the the hunt and when it will happen, we as the hunter just have to be out there n hunt. Every dog has his day n every dog has his way, we just have to be out there and try to entercept them. I usualy stay for an hour on a stand and i have had alot come within that hour, sometimes here in WV they have a long ways to travel so i give them time to come in.
I told you that boy can hunt :eyebrownod: :eyebrownod:
What about when they hang up just out of sight and howl and yip and fight? What are they doing?
Sometimes they leave and come back again and never show themselves......... :confused:
Lets here it guys I know if you have been out ther you have had this happen. :eyebrownod:
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Quote from: Bopeye on March 17, 2008, 11:32:53 PM
All I"m saying is that there are no hard and fast rules.
Dont ya got to get permission and a licence? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Soory I cant help it, I hear ya Bobeye I just want to hear what everyone ele is doing so I can compare it with what I do.
I will never stop trying to learn, and this is alot of good information.
I can tell you and I would do some damage on them critters if we put our thunkers togeather. :eyebrownod:
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Quote from: Frogman on March 16, 2008, 09:20:42 PM
Al,
I'm looking forward to hunting with you. We will just have to experiment with some different stand lengths and figure out which length kills the most dogs! Then we can get all these guys straightened out. :innocentwhistle:
Jim
JIm, we may just do that tomorrow.
Stand length varies according to three factors. Known coyotes in area,,, weather conditions,,,,, and how comfortable my butt is.
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QuoteStand length varies according to three factors. Known coyotes in area,,, weather conditions,,,,, and how comfortable my butt is.
yeah. My legs usually start to fall asleep after 15 minutes.
I try and tell myself on every stand, the coyotes are there. Then I watch the birds and other animals and listen as well, for anything getting upset or maybe even too quiet. A lot of times, I can make a good assumption as to whether or not something is coming in.
Crows in the daytime I believe give me up before even getting started I know those yotes watch the birds so I will to.
I have stayed on stand for hours on many occasion and sometimes it pays off many times it does not. But I do not see any difference so Far as a short set sometimes paying off and many times not. I vote patients any day over wondering what happened after I left. But I am torn over covering a lot of ground in a day.
I don't think we will ever agree on the subject all together yet we can learn from it by sharing our successes and failures alike.
That is why we should watch these birds on Fins and Fur some are old like me, some are new, some are exited and making noise but if we watch em close we will all learn there good patterns and learn from the mistakes. :eyebrownod:
If we are patient.
What do you think? :wo:
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Quote from: alscalls on March 20, 2008, 10:06:09 PM
That is why we should watch these birds on Fins and Fur some are old like me, some are new, some are exited and making noise but if we watch em close we will all learn there good patterns and learn from the mistakes. :eyebrownod:
If we are patient.
What do you think? :wo:
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patience grasshopper! :laf:
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I try to stay on stand 22 minutes. Don't ask me why I go with that number, it just seems to work. I also have long sound sequences setup in the FoxPro for that length of time. When I hear the Owl Hoot, that means it's time to pack it in and head to the next stand. Of course when it's -30ºF, I'm lucky to get 15 minutes before I have to get moving again.
Daytime or night?
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Patience is something I never could get the hang of. :confused:
As long as I don't doze off I keep my stands to a 15 minute minimum and 20 minutes max. A vast majority of what I call in are usually there within the first 5 minutes.
Here in WV there are many times when they will come in howling after an hour or so. I do not know if it is just because I stay longer than most people or what but it happens all the time.
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Probably just a difference in terrain and animals in the area. Here in the high desert I make more of shorter stands just to play the odds. I am sure that there has been instances where a coyote would come in after an hour I just don't wait around for it and go seek my fortune elsewhere. Unless you are hunting professionaly there really is no wrong way to do it.
we hunt mostly after dark but I have howled them in at 4:00pm in the summer and it took about an hour.
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any where from 45 mins to an hour usually as long as the wind keeps working in my favor anyway
Quote from: LORDDAL on April 12, 2008, 07:16:27 PM
any where from 45 mins to an hour usually as long as the wind keeps working in my favor anyway
That's what I'm talking about. :wink:
Stayed that long one nite working some noisy ones that wouldnt stick their heads out of the tree line at fifty yds. Almost lost a couple toes on that deal! Went out and bought some electric socks the next week.
We did a really long stand last night and they finnally cut loose but they were far off and would not move.
Frogman had a grey fox come and say hello to him, it was fun. :eyebrownod: