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WOW! What a beautiful piece of wood! I was about to grab it when I noticed the Rookie Rings. :doh2:
PERSONAL RANT: Why do you call makers take a Naturally Beautiful piece & put those infernal burn rings aka Rookie Rings, on them? ?????????? Do you think you can improve on it by doing that? :madd:
Hey vvarmitr! I'd be happy to make one for you with out the rings if you'd like.
Sllllllooooooowwwwwww down there VV..........you didn't need to slap the dude in the face :nofgr:. I bet if ya asked nice, he would make ya another one. I just so happen to know that he has a bunch of that spalted hackberry.
Looks real good Yotehntr! I like it. I like the rings too! :yoyo:
BY rookie rings do ya mean the accent rings around the barrel? Just curious? :confused:
I love that little call Dude.
As far as the comment from vvarnitr. If you dont like it, just keep you're mouth shut. You don't have to be an AZZ :nofgr:
Do you build calls or are you just running the chops. I haven't seen any of you're work :confused:
NICE TURN YOTEHNTR !!!! :yoyo:
Cool lookin call!! The little bit of spalted hackberry I've seen didn't have that real light brown cast. It was more grayish. But I like it a lot. Almost looks like you used a little bit of stain on it. I like the finish too. :congrats: :congrats:
I don't think VV is being critical at all,just stating his preference as a customer, and I'm just inquiring about the "Rookie Ring" terminology because I haven't heard it before. :wo:
So VV, ya know I keep notes, so enlighten me on the "Rookie Ring" term. :biggrin:
Keep up the good work Brad. :bowingsmilie:
I want to clear up my comments.
vvarmitr, I DO appologize for the personal attack. That was wrong and for that, I am sorry. But with that said, I DO beleive that there is a right way and a wrong way to voice you're opinion. You're opinion is you're opinion. Thats what is great about this community. If you like it, say you like it. If you don't, it is OK to say you don't. And it is OK for you to say why YOU don't. But to make rude comments about something that a person spent ALOT of their spare time and hard work into. That's not right. I am just really learning what it takes to put out a Quality call like the one posted. It is hard work. I accept any constructive critisism that anyone has for one of the calls that I build. But I don't care for someone being rude about it. It just doesn't belong here.
I am sorry to anyone that I offended with my comments. I don't want to make any enemies. I just felt something should be said.
Dusty Ford
First off I will apologize to no one for what I said in my "PERSONAL RANT". :noway: It's personal!
Second- my PR wasn't directed to Yotehntr personally, but to any callmaker who takes a figured &/or vary colored piece of wood & applies rookie rings.
Why, why, why, do you guys do that? :confused: :confused: :confused: Are ya trying to to show us how deft you are on the lathe? Maybe you think you're improving on what God did? I know - you screwed up right there & you're covering up. Great idea! :wink: But sell it to someone else. :innocentwhistle:
Now Accent rings have their place w/ straight grain woods like walnut, maple, ebony, :hahaha: ebony (j/k) Wait don't tell me some of you have put accent rings on ebony. :shck: :huh: :doh2: :rolleye:
Yotehntr: You did an excellent job on that call. I like the bead on the bottom. the smooth flare of the bell & the way you did the top w/ the lanyard grove. ;yes; Most importantly, the inside of the bell. That is soooo well done & the view is awesome! :thumb2: Plus, I like natural material for tone boards w/ antler being my favorite. :eyebrow:
You have been making some great looking calls & this is one of the best, but damn those rookie rings!
Todd: Rookie Rings is of my own invention. In the wood turning world the beginners are the ones who use the burnt rings in their work, but as a turner gets more experience you will see less & less of them. Not that a pro won't use use them, but the rings are limited & w/ a specific reason.
Thanks VV. :wink:
Quotebut the rings are limited & w/ a specific reason.
Looks limited & specific to me. :shrug: He
limited them to 2 rings &
specifically put them in that exact spot. :shrug:
QuoteI know - you screwed up right there & you're covering up. Great idea!
Why do you feel that they had to have screwed up on that spot to put them there? Most are not put there because of mistakes. If I make a mistake, I make a new call! At least half of the calls I have "custom" made for guys, They have ASKED for the rings. Calls have had burned rings in them for many years and they will have them for many more. It's just a matter of PERSONAL preference.
Quote from: HaMeR on July 21, 2008, 04:23:00 PM
He limited them to 2 rings & specifically put them in that exact spot. :shrug:
Why?!? :shrug: Quote from: ohioyotehntr on July 21, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
At least half of the calls I have "custom" made for guys, They have ASKED for the rings.
Just how do they ask for the rings? :shrug:
Hey guys.....we are ruining Brads thread here. He is trying to sell his call, and we are arguing about burnt accent rings. Lets move the discussions to PM's. :thumb2:
Hey Guys! sorry about all the PM's, I guess I misunderstood Jim on the deleted post topic. I want to thank you all for jumping in for me here, and for the kind words. Ya'll are the GREATEST!!! I removed the topic and the for sale item, really don't want my calls associated with all the comotion.
From my understanding "rookie rings" are light tooling marks on a turning. Something to deep for sanding (without distortion) to take out. Something a beginner would do because....well look at the term.
vvarmitr I make calls because I enjoy it, it's a hobby for me. I make my calls the way I like them, and some other folks like them also. It's fine if you don't. Thought you were a heck of a nice guy when I met you at the LBL, don't have a clue what I've done to you. I know you said "it's not personal" but you chose the "reply" button instead of the "new topic" button. :shrug: Dont know how else to take a hijack like that. Strange what the keyboard does to some folks. If it were me I'd have sent you a pm to be polite. But this is a public forum and you can rant all over I guess.
Sorry ya had to delete it. :sad: I'll also be the first to say your calls are far from Rookie anything. :congrats:
Hammer! forgot to answer your question, the finish is CA I didn't use any stain.
Thanks Brad. That sure was a nice lookin call & I'm surprised it didn't sell quickly. Can't wait to see your next one!! :yoyo:
BTW-- You are right on the rookie rings too. :wink:
Well too bad ya decided to delete your post.
The way I understand the "rookie ring" thing is that it isn't slight sanding or tooling marks,
it is the accent rings that he is talking about. Not that it really matters at this point.
I agree with your post a few up, make em for fun, the way you want to, if somebody wants
to order one a certain way, that's not too hard to do. :shrug: I personally like em and do them
on most my calls too.
I've heard nothing but good things about your calls,
and plan to add one, one of these days. I thought the one out of the really old wood from the log cabin was cool!
and think when I do get one it would be one from that. Keep up the good work, your calls look great.
Scott
Brad does outstanding work his calls look and sound great.As far as the burnt rings remark it is presonal so you should keep it personal and not put it out in the open.
I am wrong!
I apologize to Yotehntr!
I will buy his call since it is my fault it didn't sell.
What else can I do to make things right? :shrug:
I'll play :biggrin:
I don't think the issue is whether you are right or wrong, as everyone is entitled to there own opinion, I think the issue is how you handled it.
Do you honestly think that calling them rookie rings isn't likely to get a rise out of a guy? Then you came back and said you'd "apologize to no one"
for your "personal rant" because it's personal. :confused: Yet you replied to yotehntr on a call he had for sale. Then basically saying any call
maker that uses them is "trying to show how deft you are on the lathe", or "trying to improve what God did", or saying that "you know they screwed
up and are trying to cover it up". You don't see that as being a little sarcastic and might get a rise out of some people ? I know I gotta rise out of it. :eyebrownod: Personally I like the rings, and so do several other people. That's cool if you do not. I know I enjoy it if somebody would contact me and say, could you make me a call like the one you posted, only I want it like "this", without "this", or this part a little bigger, smaller, longer, etc. To me it adds there personal touch to it, and makes it a little more "custom" to that person. I also don't think anybody asked you to buy his call, or think that it's your fault whether it sells or not. I know yotehntr offered to make you a call without the burn rings. :wink:
Scott
vvarmitr apology accepted! :wink: no purchase necessary!.... There's the fella I met up there at the LBL.
Let's not kill each other. :nono:
I gotta say Brad, I liked the accent rings myself also, how many folk is that now? I wouldn't let one bold opinion discourage me.
I know guys that been turning calls for 20 plus year and use accent rings. Keep up the good work Pard :wink:
Quote from: FinsnFur on July 22, 2008, 07:16:28 PM
I know guys that been turning calls for 20 plus year and use accent rings. Keep up the good work Pard :wink:
Richard Grantham comes to mind..... and he sure isn't a "rookie" when it comes to calls and call building!
FWIW -
No one answered your question, so I will take a stab at it with an opinion.
When designing a call, most call makers start out with a one dollar piece of walnut or maple, not a 30 buck blank of fancy burl.
Because the wood used is rather plain, the call maker does a few things to "liven it up" some, sometimes with the burnt rings, hence the name Accent Rings.
As the call evolves, and the call maker becomes more comfortable with the design, those accent rings become a part of the call. When the call maker uses a piece of really pretty wood, no matter how pretty, because he is used to putting those accent lines on his calls, the call looks "unfinished" to his eye without them. So they get added. Also, if the call is a Signature Call, then the call maker might also want to include them because it is his Signature Call.
I have one of Brad's call right here on the desk. It is a wonderful piece of crotch walnut, and yes, it has the accent lines. I think the call would be beautiful without them, but they certanly do not detract from the call.
That being said, I certainly understand you point. I designed my bonker with the same feelings in mind. I wanted a call that would show off stunning pieces of wood with a simple clean design. But I would not hesitate to make one of my Classic styled calls out of a nice burl and add the accent rings to it, as, they are a part of the call design.
The above is just my opinion, and if nothing else, I hope it gives you one mans reason for the Rookie Rings on his calls.
Al
Al !!! "I have one of Brad's call right here on the desk"
:mad3: That's not a paper weight!!! I have been told they look like chess pieces
:mad3: are you playing chess with it???
Put that thing on a lanyard!!! It want's to go huntin ! :biggrin:
Thank you Al! :bowingsmilie: I've questioned this Accent ring thing to callmakers since the days we were happy to be at PM. :huh: You are the only one to give any kind of a answer.
I thought to explain why the accent rings are so unappealing to me on certain calls & okay on others, but I see from the previous posts here that I should have become an English Major rather than a studier of the wood arts. I just wouldn't be understood.
FOs: One of my prize possessions is a Richard Granham call. Yes it has rings on it that accentuate the straight grain walnut.
Now here are accent rings! :biggrin:
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/529/thumbs/26788By_The_Hunted_One.jpg)
Brad -
First of all, thank you again for the call. But it wont go on a lanyard. I use a call bag :biggrin: Easier, quieter, and I can carry a lot more calls. Nothing really wrong with lanyards, but I hunt out of tree stands too much to have stuff hanging around my neck.
I will use your call in the woods, but, it will have to wait until the fall as I would not want to kill a momma coyote nursing her pups, or the daddy coyote providing for them, or god forbid, because they are so easy to fool this time of year, the pups themselves. Even though it is legal here in NH, and Vermont, and even though man has done everything in his power to eradicate the coyote from the face of the earth for more years than you and I combined have been alive, and yet they have not only survived, but thrived and expanded into places they never were before, I have been told by those in the know that my killing of one or two during the summer will surely put a real dent in the coyote population. So it will have to wait a few months at least.
vvarmitr
You're welcome, and again, I certainly understand where you are coming from when talking about wonderful pieces of wood.
I will probably ruffle a few feather here with the following comments, but -
It used to be that call makers had signature calls. You could tell who made what just by looking at it. The call maker designed a call, tested it on his own, and then offered it to his fellow hunters. It was a call that he knew would work. Back then, you didn't see as much
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as you do today.
Things have changed, and now we have a lot more call makers. Instead of competing with themselves, to make a better call, they compete with each other and the emphasis is now on wood, a pretty call years ago would elicit a response along the lines of "well, it sure is pretty, how does it sound"? where as today, a pretty call will elicit a response more along the lines of "you sure did that piece of wood proud"!
And the competition between call makers has spurned a lot of fancy wood, and an obsession with making each call fancier and fancier to catch the hunters eye.
I know this to be true - look at my stippled bands - it affects ALL of us.
I'm getting to the point now, where if I were to buy a custom call from someone, the only question I would ask would be - "what calls do you take to the field when you go hunting"? and if the answer is anything but "my own" I don't think I would buy from that person. There are so many call makers today, that it is getting harder and harder to separate the wood turners who make calls from the call makers who turn wood.
Al
Opps! how'd that screery call get in there? :biggrin:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/Yotehntr_album/hunting-stuff.jpg)
Ruffed feathers? You'll probably be drug out into the street & shot! :shck:
However, you've made a very good point! :congrats: