I have a hunting buddy sitting here who is interested in a Fox Pro caller. (I tried to go the Minaska or WT route but he likes the Fox Pro)
Anyway - he spent the afternoon looking at both the xr6 and the fx 3 the FX 5 is out of his price range. We read the adds on the FoxPro site, and the instruction manuals for both callers but a couple of questions remain.
One - why does the xr6 only use 4 batteries when the FX 3 uses 8?
Two - Are they any other electronic differences in the xr 6 and the fx 3 other than the batteries and the selector switch on the remote to run different units?
That's it. He is going to order from All Predator Calls and I told him to call them and they would help but he's here now and we figured someone might know the answers to these questions.
Thanks
Al & Marc - who will have to hunt with a bag on his head if he buys a fox pro - just kidding - he's so ugly I make him wear a bag on his head all the time anyway.
Check out FP's new banner ad touting the new fall lineup. And some recent posts about new models being shown off at KS. Looking into my xtal ball - The FX3 at the current price doesn't quite match up to the M-1 base model (same batteries, speaker, similar remote) or some of the new Western Rivers models so it's got to go or be drastically reduced in price. The 5 has got to be replaced by the Scorpion stereo amp and the remote speaker switch and off/on function. Asked directly about the FX3/5, Mike D. said that "The FX series will remain in the lineup." Reading between the lines, that means new FX models or drastically reduced prices.
There's a huge difference between 5 volts and 10 volts both output and recharge. It can't be the same amp.
I have no inside track on Minaska news either, other than they just moved to a 3000 ft showroom office with a 61,000 ft manufacturing facility next door. Those guys don't tell anyone anything in advance.
And Bill's a fool if he doesn't release a programmable caller soon. He's got to make one or disappear.
So, I've been telling people to buy one of the deeply discounted models either from the manufacturer or ebay - or wait for the new lineup this fall.
Wow - a Minaska rep respnds before a FoxPro rep.
Go figure.
Thanks for the info. I will pass it along.
Al
60 views and the only guy who responded was a Minaska Field rep.
I'll be sure to pass this bit of info along to my buddy.
Thanks -
Al
Thanks Al. I check this area about once a week. I have a multi-page no-hype feature-by-feature caller comparison for the current models posted in the electronics section at CaliVC.com, a site run by a friend of mine which your friend might also find interesting. I try to keep it real, stick to the facts, and leave opinion out of it. I like to play the same exact sound file on a bunch of callers and let the audience make up their minds on their own.
My favorite recent comment after a caller seminar July 5th from someone who watched my demo.
"I don't know which one sounds the best, but I sure as hell know which one sounds the worst."
Hi Gary,
I read the write up, interesting, but not what I was looking for. The questions remain. It appears, that unless this question gets asked on PM it wont get answered here. Perhaps the FoxPro staff that frequents this board is too busy shooting coyotes by the dozens to take the time.
I'll direct Marc over to PM, have him register and ask in the forum there. I don't like him that much anyway :eyebrownod:
Al
why not just have him call them. wouldn't that be easier? i would have awnsered but i do not know why they are like that. it could be the reason why a foxpro rep did not awenser is because allmost everytime one of em post something here they get jumped. JMHO.
Well boys, the biggest reason that I didn't respond earlier is because I have been so busy trying to keep up with killer call orders that I sometimes meet myself coming out of the shop as I am on the way back in. :eyebrownod: The second reason is because I have never tested anything except the FX-5 and the Scorpion. The Scorpion has great sound quality with the little built in speaker, and the small size makes it handy for calling all day while on foot. The volume with the stock speaker is OK for calling the thick stuff where you don't want so much noise, and also OK on calm days, even in open country calling. If you need more volume (and I like loud callers) you will want to invest in their SP-55 speaker, or try a 15 AMP TOA. I don't care for relying on the remote control to turn the caller on, even though a lot of folks love it. I prefer to turn the caller on before I walk to my chosen hidey hole. I always make sure the caller is on before I walk away from it.
The FX-5 has excellent sound quality, and for the sounds I use in the field, the built in "horn" speaker always gets the nod. If I were a feller who wanted to save a little money by buying an FX-3, I would call FoxPro and ask them if the same speakers and amp are used in the FX-3 as they presently are using in the FX-5. If they are the same speakers and amp, I would not hesitate to go with an FX-3.
At the time of this message, I have to be honest and tell you that Minaska and FoxPro are about equal in both sound quality and reliable remote control distance. I have used both. Now for those of you who already have a caller, and you are wanting something that is above and beyond any electronic caller in existence, just be patient. It is coming real soon. If I told you what it is, I would soon have a price on my head. :eyebrownod:
I've noticed since my time here at FnF that Foxpro takes a bad rap for some reason here and I'm not sure why. I have no experience with other Ecallers other than Foxpro products. I know alot of the Foxpro guys very well which makes me more confused as to the chip on the shoulders of some here. :confused:
Although I don't have experience with the other manufactures I don't downgrade their products, services, or lack of time spent on a message board. When someone is looking for advise I always give an honest opinion on Foxpro BUT also make mention that I've never used the competitors productds either.
I have to agree with Bigben, is someone has technical questions before buying a unit, especially about an electronic device that costs hunderds of dollars why not call the manufacturer???? How many people here really have the know how to answer those questions and be 100% correct in their answer? :shrug:
bootmud
I am sure we just opened a can of worms curt.
Quote from: bigben on July 24, 2008, 08:02:03 AM
I am sure we just opened a can of worms curt.
You may have, but I agree with you.
I hunt with a foxpro, & have not tried a Minaska, I hear they are very nice calls & I tell people that, I don't have any reason to bash a Minaska especially when I haven't hunted over one.
THO, I wish I could answer your question but I don't know the difference between the 2 calls.
Nope - no can of worms. We did not call FoxPro yesterday because I dont have a phone in my shop and we were trying to get the info so he could make up his mind and buy his caller.
Marc is not a computer guy - he has hunted with me a few times and likes it and wants to buy a caller. He was here and looking on line and he had questions that I did not have answers too. So I thought someone here might know. That's it. No agenda, just two simple questions.
If I am not allowed to ask them on this board, then screw it. I wont ask anything on this board.
Al
i hope you do find out what ya need al. i know that uttering the word foxpro on here generally raises a few eye brows and makes some peoples hair stand up on the back of their neck. if ya give foxpro a call I am sure they can get it figured out. I did not mean any ill fealins towards you al. just statin what I have seen here in the past. I am surprised that you guys did not talk him into a minaska. mainly for the simple fact that you know how they work and can help him out if he needs it. god luck and hope ya get it figured out. takereasy ben smyser
I have used them all or had one of them all out in front of me at one time or another,
I have no problems with foxpro or Mike Dillon,i Will go as far to say he, mike Dillon is probably the nice's guy I have met in the commercial side of the predator hunting industry . but as far as team foxpro the guys that will go out of there way to start a pissing match with yea, they are to much to handle .. don't get into a discussion about e callers with one of them ,you end up being bombarded by the hole clan.
there are so many guys out there just saying they love the foxpro just because they know Mike .
if someone ask a question about the different callers leave your answerer if you haven't used them all to
I have a foxpro and love it,,,,, like Big Ben said he hasn't tried others but he like his foxpro
that is the perfect reply,, to many unqualified guys telling and arguing how great the call is. but on some boards it just to much foxpro being shoved down your though and if you disagree then team foxpro shows up in force and on some sight the hole administration in foxpro's pocket ,,
Quote from: George Ackley on July 24, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
but as far as team foxpro the guys that will go out of there way to start a pissing match with yea, they are to much to handle .. don't get into a discussion about e callers with one of them ,you end up being bombarded by the hole clan.
George,
I agree that it has been this way for a while, people get real touchy about someone questioning their foxpro. But I must say, here lately I feel that some of the Minaska guys have been just as bad if not worse (I'm referring to PM).
They both make good calls with different features, people don't have to bash another product just to say theirs is better, what I love about a call someone else may hate.
Someone should make a video of the 2 calls being used, just a quick reference, with someone sitting at the kitchen table explaining the functions of the call that are used the most, then folks can at least have some sort of a visual perception of the 2 calls and what the difference is.
Quote from: bigben on July 24, 2008, 08:02:03 AM
I am sure we just opened a can of worms curt.
I hope not, I haven't stated anything that should offend anyone here or any Ecall Mfgr's.
I certainly didn't say anything to warrant this either......
If I am not allowed to ask them on this board, then screw it. I wont ask anything on this board. bootmud
Like I said -
Screw it -
I got the answer - and turst me - you done EVEN want me to go there. Let it die. Or you WII have a HUGE can of worms that will make Snakes on a Plane look like Disney Land.
Al
maybe you have wood chips in your eyes i don't see where anyone has said anything to get you going like this AL
Like I said -
Screw it -
I got the answer - and turst me - you done EVEN want me to go there. Let it die. Or you WII have a HUGE can of worms that will make Snakes on a Plane look like Disney Land.
Al
We wouldnt wont that now would we :whew: :laf: :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :roflmao: :laf: :yoyo: :holdon:
George - why not just let it go? Anything that gets discussed from here on out will just go over your head anyway, so save yourself some greif and drop it. I have the answer, now it will be up to my buddy which Minaska caller he buys.
Al
you got it AL :bowingsmilie:
Snakes on a Plane :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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TAKE ONE
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Well, at least this................
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Quote from: bootmud on July 24, 2008, 07:35:46 AM
I've noticed since my time here at FnF that Foxpro takes a bad rap for some reason here and I'm not sure why.
bootmud
They dont really have a bad rap, they actually make a pretty nice product. I had an FX3 for a while and to be frank, I loved it.
You guys know I dont play the wanna-be bullshit you see elsewhere, so here's my honest to god view on this. And this will probably be THE can of worms, but ya know what?... :shrug:
I think the reason this black FP cloud hovers over Fins and Fur is because the majority of the members have become sickened by the cumbersome treatment FP gets over on PM....AND your actually allowed to speak your mind here about products.
Anyone who's been around any of these boards for a while knows full well that you do not dare say anything negative about FP while on PM :nofgr: You will get beat into the ground like a cheap tent stake.
Why??...think about it. PM Staff gets anything they want from FP, any time they want it. How do I know this...and who am I to say that?..... :eyebrownod: ask around, I've got some miles on me :wink:
Go over there and slam a Minaksa caller and the silence is deafening.
How blatent. :iroll: So where else is anyone going to go to be able to speak there mind if they dont care for FP products?
Want some more? :biggrin:
FP refused to be a sponsor of one of our members upcoming videos because he was associated with Fins and Fur. :innocentwhistle:
In other words, we were suppose to change our ways and only allow positive comments like our adversary. :nono: :nono: :nono:
Some of you may even remember, but when I heard about this, my FP went up for sale the next day. For almost half of what they sell for :sneer:
All in all.....this board will never be a dictatorship :nono: or be paid off like those around us. So if being honest with people and allowing them to speak honestly prevents some vendors from wanting to be associated with us.....consider it the weeding process. :wink:
Does FP make a good product? Damn skippy they do, but there will never be one in my carry along again.
:corn:
very well said!!!!!!! :yoyo:
well on one hand jim I do :highclap: for allowing people to speak their minds. it just seems that there are alot of foxpro haters here. I just decided to stay out of the scouffles but there are a number of people on here that I am surprised have not posted a response. I have known mike and steve for allmost three years. talking to them and knowing them personally I just don't see it. I aint gonna call ya a liar though. I know you have been around but when did foxpro get the grip on pm? ever since I was a member of that board I have allways seen pro Foxpro comments and I have seen some bad ones over there but foxpro has allways seemed to awenser em. either mike or steve. I do not venture over there that much anymore and when I do I pretty much stick to the night hunting and the eastern hunting boards. I have no idea what it is like in the e call section. I do know that there was a big scouffle between some FP staff and some minaska staff but I think that was more personal then it was the e caller.
They will allow some posts that aren't bragging on Foxpro, but it better remain minimal insults or else it just disappears like "FM". (frigging magic)...... :rolleye:
I've been a member of PM since May 01. They surely do cater to Foxpro and I don't have a problem with the Dillons.
I just like a level playing field. Surely that isn't too much to ask when both are advertisers........is it? :huh: :wo: :innocentwhistle:
DRINK,......... :corn:
Al's getting drunk :roflmao:
Its a good flick Jimbo but I think I have seen it before......Must be one of those classics......... :corn:
Yeah there's a song comin out too. Keep a look out. :laf: :eyebrownod:
Who changed the channel? :laf:
"And Bill's a fool if he doesn't release a programmable caller soon. He's got to make one or disappear."
Well as a matter of fact he is gonig to release a new programable caller and a new digital readout remote this fall. I have a WT2030 and love it, it will be upgraded to the new motherboard and remote as soon as the parts are available. It just keeps getting better all the time. Its hell packing a WT2030 in one and a Minaska U1 in the other.
spoiled rotten I am...... :laf:
What is the reasoning behind carrying two e callers to a stand?
Randy
The U1 has a s great decoy and the WT has great sounds. Actually, I don't carry 2 to a stand, although I do switch off between them depending on what I need at the time.
Dan,
You're not spoiled rotten until you have 9 WT's, a couple of Minaska's and some FoxPro's. as well as the entire Johnny Stewart library in digital format :eyebrownod:
So we'll see if WT really comes through with a programmable caller. I've heard about it for almost 3 years now even from the horses mouth and it's never materialized. I wonder how they'll keep those sounds "protected". My guess is either proprietary format or an entirely separate bank where the sounds are stored that cannot be accessed. Then there will be another bank where the user can put their own sounds onto the caller. I hope that new WT remote reaches out over a mile like the old one they used to make. Either way, it's good to finally see some things change.
I hope he does too, he has the best caller and the best sounds out there bar none.
I've been calling coyotes since 1954 and have probably owned every quality caller made to date. I purchased a fp 532, that one cured me of buying fp's, so I haven't purchased anything newer than the 532. I don't blindly recommend anything, and I'n not brand loyal.
I will suffer thru with my WT even if he doesn't bring the programmable unit to the market. What I have works and is the epitome of what a E-caller should be. I think it has the least amount of the sales hype whistles and bells. that statement reminds me of my TV remote, I still don't know what all it can do, I do know what it takes to get it to do what I want it to, so the rest is just crap that I don't need.
How he protects his sounds would be a problem that could be worked out, they are certainly worth protecting, they are the best there is and worth far more than what they cost. I never miss a chance to demo my callers when someone has one to compare them to.
Dan,
It's too bad you don't live closer, I'd put the Snow Crow Pro up against a WT any day for clarity and Volume. It's the loudest I've ever heard, and I've heard almost all of them. I'm not brand loyal either as you can tell from my collection... but for pure volume and clarity, nothing on the market will compete with that Snow Crow Pro as far as I'm concerned. This fall should be interesting to see what everybody brings to the new table of e-callers. I hope that new WT will play 1000 sounds like the current version advertises, because I have 200 WT sounds ready to load into that thing.
Well, if I had something better, as in volume and clarity, I sure wouldn't waste my money on an inferior WT product. How did you come by 200 WT sounds? :confused:
Dan,
I've collected older WT's when they come up for sale and amassed the collection. It's too bad some of the old WT sounds have been diced up since into multiple sounds. Some of those older WT sounds were long sequences. I just picked up another programmable WT about a month ago that had a ton of great sounds on it. I just finished recording some new deer sounds that I didn't have from one of the "non-programmable" WT's too, so I'm done collecting the Whitetail WT collection. Just a couple more groups of sounds to get and I'll be done. If you want your WT sounds off your new WT, just PM me and I'll send you directions if you haven't already done it.
I have a better idea, you can burn me a cd and mail it to me.
What'd be the fun in me sending a CD with all the sounds??? Half the fun is hunting for the callers and sounds. The owner of WT would be less than happy about me sending out a large portion of his library. That and it's taken quite awhile to build up that collection of callers and sounds. There's only one more WT that I need for the collection to be complete, well 2, but I'm not trying to get the newest model yet. I'm still shocked at the old MP3 player version though... That thing is a true work of art... :eyebrownod:
One of these days I'll do a "history of WT" thread and go through the various versions built throughout the years.