For about the cost of a new barrel for my 870, I got this Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag with B-Square saddle mount, scope and sling. It has the Ulti full turkey choke (labeled "lead shot only"). I have a couple of questions. Does anyone here have any experience with the 835, and can I shoot Dead coyote loads through this choke? Thanks.
Pat
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Pat, one of my hunting buddies bought the same shotgun and the Carlson dead coyote choke tube and loves it. He shoots the 3 1/2 Dead coyote loads and said he felt comfortable out to 60 yards.
I don't think I would feel comfortable doing it.. Thats a really tight choke and dead coyote is pretty big shot and it is definitely not lead.
I think you should research it a bit. See if can find some info on choke tube diameters for what size and type of shot.
I shoot the 835 a lot.........I would not without consulting the manufacture......I have shot heavy shot out of the recomended chokes and dang It shoots good. But I have not shot the dead coyote load yet. I think if you call them and call Mossberg you should find the right answer. Nice set up I love my Mossberg but watch cleanning behind the ports in the barrell, Plastic from the wads can build up on em even if you clean it a lot and it is hard to see and harder to remove.
Thanks guys. I think I'll get one of those dead coyote tubes and give it a try.
Hey Pat
Be prepared for a little recoil with those 3 1/2 inch shells. :biggrin:
The 835 kicks like my granddaddy's mule. :eyebrownod:
Semp
Quote from: Semp on July 31, 2008, 04:50:47 AM Be prepared for a little recoil with those 3 1/2 inch shells. :biggrin:
I'll amen that!!!!! ;yes;
This arrived yesterday. I'm anxious to get out and pattern it and see if it works as good as I hope it does.
Pat
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Pat, whats the diameter of that choke ?
Missed this one, but I sure like the looks of your new 835. :yoyo:
I've always been a fan of Mossbergs
Dont forget to let us know how that choke works out for ya :wink:
When I first got my 835 i used it for turkey hunting and then shot some steel through it as i had no other choke just then and split the turkey choke.....didnt read the microscopic lettering on the choke that says lead only...Mossberg sent me another turkey choke which is what i use now and it throws a wicked pattern...for other then turkey hUnting i use a polychoke2 on it...i might look into a dead coyote choke though heard they are....KILLER :yoyo:
Let us know........take pics :eyebrownod:
Quote from: Silencer on August 10, 2008, 04:33:30 PM
Pat, whats the diameter of that choke ?
It looks like its about .690, which interstingly is the same as the Ulti full turkey choke that was in it. Carlson designed this choke especially for the Dead Coyote loads and everything I've read says it is a
deadly combination. I sure hope so. I'll let you know how the patterning goes.
Pat
thanks Pat, let us know, take some pics of your test results :wink:
It won't work. Send the gun to me, and I'll start looking for something that will. :fingerx: :biggrin: :biggrin: :shrug: Worth a try ...right?
I got out to the range today to try out the new gun/choke/ammo combination. Mossberg 835/Carlson's Dead Coyote choke tube/Hevi-shot Dead Coyote 3-inch T-shot. I shot 50 and 60 yards; not an exhaustive test because those Dead Coyote loads are over $3.60 each and I only had a box of ten. The small center target is 10"X10", the white paper is about 25"X35", and the cardboard is 36"X48". Here are the results:
At 50 yards there were 8 pellets on or just nicking the center target, 6 more within a half inch of it. 43 pellets on the white paper and a total of 48 on the cardboard. The center of the pattern is a bit to the right.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/Mossbergpatterning003.jpg)
At 60 yards there were still 8 pellets on the center target. 40 pellets on the white paper and 50 total on the cardboard. If you overlay a 30 inch circle on the center of the target, it contains 38 pellets. I made a slight adjustment, but the center of the pattern is still a little to the right. I used the same cardboard from the previous shot so there are more than 10 holes in it but only ten are from this shot.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/Mossbergpatterning004.jpg)
So what do you think? Is this a dense enough pattern to be effective on coyote at these ranges?
Pat
Quote from: 5 SHOTS on August 11, 2008, 06:57:45 PM
It won't work. Send the gun to me, and I'll start looking for something that will. :fingerx: :biggrin: :biggrin: :shrug: Worth a try ...right?
:laugh2:
It would be interesting to see different ranges but I would need to see the holes in the black better to tell ya anything about that pattern. I would say with the larger pellets it is possible to be a kill shot though I would try and stick to 40 yds or less on a yote.
How many pellets are in each round? Vs how many in your circle?
I picked up one of these the other day.
http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/J391C26_Max4HD_S_maxi.jpg
A kicks .680 tube on it is showing some promise at 40 yards, but the gun shoots low for me. My Smith is installing a center bead on the rib for me, and I have a Kicks BuckKicker X-Full tube on order. I also ordered up 25 rounds of 3.5" Winchester fodder that is loaded with 54 of the big #4 Buck pellets. Are we having fun yet? :laf:
coyote101,
I tried one of those Carlson "dead coyote" tubes on my Browning pump that is not back bored. The dead coyote tube they sent me was a .660, and it didn't pattern worth a hoot for me. Your gun being back bored, will need a larger I.D. tube than my Browning. All shotguns are different when it comes to choke/load combination. Nice gun you have there, and I am certain there is a choke tube that will work the magic for you. Good hunting to you
QuoteHow many pellets are in each round? Vs how many in your circle?
Fifty .20 caliber pellets per round, with three in the black at both 50 and 60 yards. I suppose three .20 cal. holes will do the job, but I was expecting a little tighter pattern. Of course if the point of aim is the chest, a couple of pellets are likely to hit the head and neck also. I just don't know that I'd be comfortable with this at the advertised seventy yards.
Pat
I would definetly write the company on this one.........I would question this as well.......dang I know I have shot coon at 50 yds. with the old hevi shot #6's 3inch and just slammed em but this is unusual to me and 3 outa fifty in the black?......questionable to say the least however throw in a full size coyote and shoot it......... I figure he could be dead. I would just want him real dead instead.
Here is a pattern I shot with my Browning BPS "Game gun", just for comparison. Choke was a Kicks "Buck kicker" X-full, which is marked .690. My Browning is not back bored, so the bore is about .730.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/cronkcalls/KicksBUCK.jpg)
Quote from: Rich on August 18, 2008, 10:53:55 PM
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Rich,
That's the kind of pattern I had hoped for at a little greater distance. I started shooting at 50 yards because those shells are so expensive, and this is advertised as a seventy yard choke/load combo. That might just be a tad unrealistic.
Pat
coyote101,
Yes they do advertise that Dead coyote tube to be a 70 yard whiz bang, and I have seen a few posts on other boards by people who claim astounding results with it. My own experience has been very much different. My patterns with that .660 tube were very bad, and I feel like I threw my money down the toilet. I hope that Carlson's have woke up by now, and maybe matching their choke constriction to bore size of individual shotguns. I realize that every shotgun is an individual, and therefore has it's own load/choke preference, so I haven't said anything about my disappointment until now. Reading your posts here made me realize that I am not alone on this subject. My new Beretta Extema2 is advertised as having inside bore diameter of .733, but bore diameter will vary from gun to gun. Since my barrel is with my Smith for installation of a center bead on the rib anyway, I think I will have him measure my bore diameter also. Knowing the true bore diameter can shorten a guys search for correct choke to buy. I am having good luck with chokes from Kicks Industries and Comp-n-choke myself. These companies do not recommend shooting hevi shot through tight chokes, but I think it is because of liability issues. I don't expect a 70 yard sure kill range on coyotes with ANY shotgun unless I am shooting slugs, but I hope to wring out a 60 yard killer before I'm done. :wink:
Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
Yes they do advertise that Dead coyote tube to be a 70 yard whiz bang,
Do you mean the Dead Coyote Choke Tube or the Dead Coyote Hevi-shot? :wo:
I've heard it said that the "T" size Hevi-shot can give terminal performance at 70yds. Now if it was #4buck size (.240) Hevi-shot I'd be a lot more comfortable w/ that claim. I'm not aware that they make it in that size yet.
For a choke tube company to say that their choke is good out to 70yds doesn't make any sense (to me). How do they know what load you're shooting, the length of your barrel, & other variables. :shrug:
Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
I hope that Carlson's have woke up by now, and maybe matching their choke constriction to bore size of individual shotguns.
I would think they have already done this, but I may be wrong cause of assuming. Whenever you go out to buy a choke tube you have to buy the right one listed for your brand of gun. Gun manufacturers make their barrels to tolerences w/i their specs. It would be dumb not to take this into consideration as a choke tube manufacturer.
Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
I realize that every shotgun is an individual, and therefore has it's own load/choke preference,
Amen! Shotguns have load preferences just like rifles & pistols. It's a real pain to find out that your turkey gun loves to shoot 1oz loads of #8s ImpCly... unless you love to Dove hunt. :eyebrow: :laf:
If you can't understand what I wrote just skip it & pretend its not here. Then again you may have already done that. :wo:
Actually I thought you wrote it rather well. concise and informative.
vvarminter,
Here is a quote from Carlson's site.
For use with Hevi-Shot, Bismuth or lead, this high performance choke tube has been specifically designed for the coyote hunter to deliver devastating downrange patterns upwards of 70 yards when shooting larger shot sizes. Produces very dense patterns when ultilizing T and Buckshot loads. Great for waterfowl and predator hunting.
NOT FOR USE WITH STEEL SHOT
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I used Hevi-shot "dead coyote" fodder in 3" length when I tried it out of my Browning. The tube is Carlson's Dead coyote, and is marked .660. That thing threw T shot all over the board, even at 20 yards. Anyone who wants to come over to my house after it, can have it for free.
The following photo is blurry, but I think you can see the holes. This is a 50 yard pattern when using a Kicks Buck Kicker X-full tube, which is a .690. The fodder was Hevi shot 3" Dead coyote. This was out of my Browning, which takes standard Invector/Win-Choke tubes. The bore is a nominal .730, but I have never measured it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/cronkcalls/DeerCall004.jpg)
Quote from: vvarmitr on August 19, 2008, 10:06:39 AM
For a choke tube company to say that their choke is good out to 70yds doesn't make any sense (to me). How do they know what load you're shooting, the length of your barrel, & other variables. :shrug:
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/Mossberg005.jpg)
Designed to deliver coyote hunters DEVASTATING PATTERNS while shooting at ranges UP TO 70 YARDS with larger shot sizes. Right there on the left side of the package.
Well I'll be darned! :shck: They did say that. :rolleye:
Welp, as I said earlier "doesn't make any sense (to me)," :shrug:
I would guess then for one that Carlson has their own interpretation of what a killing pattern would be on a coyote at 70yds.
Second, they most have had a couple guns that would do that.
Or maybe even they took 'em out & blasted away at coyotes to see at what distance they stopped killing coyotes. :shrug:
Quote from: Dan Carey on August 19, 2008, 11:00:27 AM
Actually I thought you wrote it rather well. concise and informative.
Thanks Dan I needed that. :biggrin:
Then again I've known you to BS me, like crows at 350yds w/ a 22Hornet. :iroll:
:laf: :laf: :laf:
I noticed it said "UP TO". That doesn't mean it WILL. To me it means, "might, maybe, if conditions are absolutely perfect, and in your wildest dreams." :biggrin:
aaWW DAMMIT!!! I just bought one yesterday for my nova. Havent shot it yet but i'm already disgusted.
bushmaster,
Hopefully it will work as advertised for you. Let us know.
Pat
My testing of the new Beretta Extrema is still in early stages. I had a center bead installed on the ventilated rib to help me correct vertical hold a little better. I am using the rear bead as a rear sight (sort of). The hevi-shot "dead coyote has more velocity than my lead #4 Buck fodder, or so it seems. The #4 Buck requires a higher hold at 50 yards, while the dead coyote seems to stirke pretty much dead on. Here is a photo of 50 yard pattern I shot yesterday evening with the dead coyote fodder, and a Kicks Buck Kicker X-full tube.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/cronkcalls/Beretta50.jpg)
So what would y'all say is the MINIMUM number of pellets (BB, Dead Coyote, or 4 buck loads) in the coyote needed to take 'em down? Assuming you place those pellets in the ribcage or head area. There is probably a different pellet count for each of those loads.
I think that answer will tell me what the maximum distance is for my choke/load combination. I shoot a 3 1/2 12ga.
"Thanks Dan I needed that.
Then again I've known you to BS me, like crows at 350yds w/ a 22Hornet. "
You must have me confused with some one that owns a 22 Hornet. :nofgr:
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I didn't know it took a 25 caliber to kill crows at 300 yards. Had I, I'd not have shot hundreds with my 22 Hornet at up to 350 yards.
Okay, explain this BSer! :roflmao:
Gotcha! :biggrin:
Yeah, thats when I owned one. :highclap:
One crow at 350 is certainly not a defining moment. :confused:
And if I remember right I shot at that crow about a dozen times. :laf:
what's the diameter of the dead coyote choke for the mossy ? couldnt seem to find it on the net.
Rich, one of these days I'm gonna have me an Extrema II, when I hit the lottery.
Silencer,
The Extrema 2 is a nice shotgun alright, and the gas operated action helps soak up some felt recoil. For one shot, long range kills on coyotes however, I have yet to find a choke/load combo for it that surpasses my old Browning pump. I will keep searching though, and if I don't go bankrupt first, I just may find the magic combination one day. The problem as I see it is that in order to still have a killing pattern at 60 yards or more, my pattern will be so tight at 40 yards that the scatter gun advantage has done flew the coop. The photo below is of a pattern I shot with my old Browning back on 7-7-07. Range was 50 yards, fodder was dead coyote T's, choke was Kicks, Buck Kicker .690.
Quote from: Silencer on August 21, 2008, 03:24:54 PM
what's the diameter of the dead coyote choke for the mossy ? couldnt seem to find it on the net.
Silencer,
I couldn't find it anywhere on the net either. It is also not on the package or on the choke tube itself, but I get .690 with an old dial caliper. Rich's 50 yard patterns with that Buck Kicker .690 sure look better than mine did with the Dead Coyote.
Pat
Rgr that, stock remington Full is .691, havent patterned it yet.
Pat, have you tried 4 buck out of the mossy stock chokes ? I hope ya find the right combo, nothing worse than spending a bunch of money and it doesnt live up to your expectations, been there and done that with my latest shotgun purchase thats why I want a Extrema :biggrin:
Silencer,
Here is a video clip for ya. http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1206/
Here's that same guy, Tim Bradley, singing the praises of Benelli.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBgBhwafGM
But Tom Knapp is the MAN when it comes to exhibition shotgun shooting, IMHO. :biggrin:
Quote from: Semp on August 22, 2008, 08:35:59 AM
But Tom Knapp is the MAN when it comes to exhibition shotgun shooting, IMHO. :biggrin:
Semp,
I ran into Tom Knapp at the NRA convention the day after you were there and he was gracious enough to pose for a picture.
Tom Knapp and me at the 2008 NRA convention in Louisville.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/Quetico261.jpg)
Pat
Quote from: Silencer on August 21, 2008, 07:50:02 PM
Pat, have you tried 4 buck out of the mossy stock chokes ?
Silencer,
We can't hunt with buckshot in Kentucky, so I haven't tried any. I may get some though, just to see how it shoots.
Pat
But wait this guy is shooting a Winchester!?! :shck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWU_dfAmN8
Didnt know that Pat, I do know them mossy's shot great. 2 of the guys I turkey hunt with swear by them and I've seen the results personally, but thats with 5 and 6 shot not the big stuff.
I was going to suggest to try another load of the dead coyote but according to the website there's only 1 1/2 ounces of T shot for the 3 inchers.
I'm about outta suggestions other than trying another choke or dropping down to BBB, or BB but thats not what you intended in purchasing the choke.
VV, I am partial to the SX3's :yoyo: ... but for some reason I'm just not a huge benelli fan.
In some cases people have gotten better patterens w/ the pellets using a mod' choke. In these cases the pellets weren't buffered from what I understand.
Its up to you Pat, but I'd try a regular Full choke & even a Mod. :shrug:
I agree ya should compare em :eyebrownod:
Quote from: coyote101 on August 22, 2008, 03:56:07 PM
Quote from: Semp on August 22, 2008, 08:35:59 AM
But Tom Knapp is the MAN when it comes to exhibition shotgun shooting, IMHO. :biggrin:
Semp,
I ran into Tom Knapp at the NRA convention the day after you were there and he was gracious enough to pose for a picture.
Tom Knapp and me at the 2008 NRA convention in Louisville.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg115/rlageman/Quetico261.jpg)
Pat
Nice pic Pat! Tom Knapp is amazing with a shotgun! I wish I could have met him.
Here he is shooting a world record 10 clays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpv0yZC3iMM&feature=related
Dont that Pat Falanigan hol;d the world record? 11 I thoght?
Great shot gun :eyebrownod:
Tom can shoot a rifle just as well as a shotgun, that would be very well indeed.