Alscall and Frogman got out this evening 8/2/08. Al put the lead to a young dumb one. Pictures follow:
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Al set up watching a big meadow. A creek was to his back the wind was coming down the meadow from his left. Sun was also to his left. He was set up in the shade near the thick brush along the creek. We set the Scorpion on top of a round bale accross the other side of the meadow in front of Al about 150 yards. The Quiver Critter decoy and Als new Coyote decoy were a few yards in front of the round bales.
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I was set up behind Al facing the back door and watching a completely different field.
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This young dog came out of the weeds just seven yards to Als left. It headed straight toward the decoys and Scorpion. Al woofed at it and stopped it at about 25 yards then shot it in the right ear.
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Al is a happy hunter!
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Another hero shot. Al wanted me to post all these photos so he could see them.
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His bullet exited through the left eye. In through the right ear and out through the left eye. Al told me he chose this shot very carefully to preserve the pelt. Range was 25 yards.
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You can see the round bales over Als left shoulder where the Scorpion and decoys were located.
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Here is a shot of the setup with the decoys on the left and the Scorpion on the bale to the right.
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The Quiver Critter and the Coyote decoy.
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The proud shooter with his trophy.
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A shot of alscall and Frogman with the coyote and the coyote decoy that helped lure him in.
I'm sure alscall can tell the story better than I, so chime in here Al. Congrats on putting down one of these tough to hunt Eastern coyotes. Great shooting!!
Jim
:highclap: :highclap: Yessur......congratulations are in order. :congrats:
Now let's hear the story Al. :eyebrow:
Congrats guys.
Al r u sure the man in his undies didnt shoot that dog n leave it lay, so he could attend to his naked wife.
frogman and Al never asked me to go with them, I think i made them mad or something :shrug: :pout: :madd: :wo: :confused:
Well that new decoy?...........WORKS!!!.......We scouted this spot yesterday some and was going to go out early this morning. Got up @ 4 am and a big storm came so we called it off. Frogman and I went to the rifle range and practiced shooting at 100 and 200 yds. We then went home and got ready for an evening hunt.
I have been talking with possumal some about how to beat these WV dogs and he has helped me a tremendous amount. We have had dogs on most of our stands come in and hang up with a challenge howl. I would respond by challenging back.
Today Frogman decided NO howling cause we felt we were intimidating those dogs and that could be why we were getting the hang ups. Boy did that pay off.
Frogman used his FPS with fawn distress (Switching to rabbit some) and two does came right away and one of them tried to get the caller off the hay bale......the other deer saw something in my direction and spooked hard......A male coyote came from my left at.........get this .....Seven yds. :roflmao: :roflmao: I practiced at 200yds.
He was running straight for the decoys when I said BRRUFF with my voice. He paused and looked right into my scope at
25 yds. and turned to go for the decoys when BANG right in the head I put him down!!! Great hunt Frogman and thanks for posting this I was about to bust waiting for these pics. :wink:
We have hunted hard for the last two weekends and dang was it ever fun!!!
Quote from: golfertrout on August 02, 2008, 10:54:06 PM
frogman and Al never asked me to go with them, I think i made them mad or something :shrug: :pout: :madd: :wo: :confused:
I asked you and you said I was going to early and it would be too hot Dave. :biggrin:
Nice shooting! Great hunting guy's.
Now Dave,
You know you are always welcome to join us daytime hunters. I thought we were dedicated coyote hunters til I actually saw a man chase after a coyote with nothing but his rifle and his skivvies. He didn't even have his shoes on. Now that is a dedicated coyote hunter. You though golfertrout, I am a little concerned about. :innocentwhistle: :shrug: "It's too early." :confused: "It's too hot." :whew: "The bugs are bad." :madd: "I'm at the golf course." ;yes; "I'm in the mountains fishing." :sneer: Come on, we need that third guy to cover the back back door and kill those dogs we have been hearing but not seeing! ;yes;
You are always welcome!! :yoyo: :yoyo:
Jim
Nice work!
I can't stand to be out there in that blazing heat all camoed up. You earned that one Bud :highclap:
So we know the decoy works now :wink:
Good to see Jim out and about again too...or was he the decoy :laf:
Congratulations to both of you!!!!
Thanks for the pictures and story
on a nice hunt.
Nelson
Great story, guys! :congrats:
Those pics really help with explaining the setup and travel direction of the yote. :highclap:
Semp
Thanks guys, buy the way that is a dirty dog lanyard around my neck. I try not to leave home without it. :wink:
AWESOME! Nice job guys :yoyo: Great story and pics!
COOL!!!!!!!!! When's the video coming out guys!! :eyebrownod: Thats a nice lookin coyote & it sounds like everything clicked for you just right. I hope your next hunts are even better too!! :biggrin:
Nice camera work Jim!! The story wouldn't be the same without it. :yoyo:
Quite an excellent adventure there, Alscall and Frogman ! :thumb2:
Great stories and pictures guys. :yoyo: :yoyo: Congratualations alscalls! :highclap: :highclap: Now I'm going to have to tell the wife I need a coyote decoy! :eyebrow: :eyebrow:
Pat
I tell ya the cobination of scent used and those decoys.........it was like he was in a daze and could not resist. I am hooked on this decoy now. :eyebrownod:
Great storyline and pix! :highclap:
Quote from: alscalls on August 02, 2008, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: golfertrout on August 02, 2008, 10:54:06 PM
frogman and Al never asked me to go with them, I think i made them mad or something :shrug: :pout: :madd: :wo: :confused:
I asked you and you said I was going to early and it would be too hot Dave. :biggrin:
I think you guys need golfertrout to go with ya to help just to help carry all that crap to the callin location!! :shrug:
Just thinking out loud here. BUT, do ya think that coyote may of possibly came out of the cover and into the clearing with just the FP sittin on the hay bale blasting out some prey distress sounds?? Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't a need for carrying and setting up a snarling, open mouth, legless rubber coyote decoy AND a wiggly, shakey quiverin critter. :confused:
Even more thinking going on.....now you have got stinky human scent rolling off the coy decoy, the quiverin thingy, plus all the scent from walking around setting all the crap up......Like I said, just thinking. Glad it worked for ya.
We were very carefull about where we walked and putting scent out for both decoys, as well as cover scent for the trip we were making anyway to put out the call.
We have done a lot of stands without the decoy in the very same way with a lot of hangups. I do believe the decoys and scent used made the difference. It was very clear watching this coyote he wanted the decoy... :eyebrownod:
I know there have been arguments about this and truth is in seeing it yourself............I have now seen and believe, decoys can work and work well. As for the no legs? this decoy is easy to carry, it folds up just like my turkey decoys and packing it around is not a problem. When you stake it to the ground and look at it from a distanse you can not tell that it has no legs.
I am a mouth caller most of the time and I am convinced some animals will come to just the call yet I am equally convinced in pressured areas some will not come unless they see another animal.
coy,
You may be right. The coyote might have come just to the sounds from the Scorpion playing on the hay bale. I have had them do that before I got the Quiver Critter. I feel the wiggling movement adds a lot to this setup. Al said that the coyote was so intent on the decoys and the sound that it only looked back at him for a second when he woofed at it with his mouth to stop it for the shot. Before he could break the shot it turned it's attention back to the decoys and the sound.
As to the weight of all this stuff. The decoys are designed to be quite light. The Yote decoy is hollow rubber similar to my turkey decoy. It folds up and will fit in the game puch of the turkey vest. The Quiver Critter is also made of light plastic and comes apart into three easy to cary parts that also fit easily in my turkey vest. We would however love to have golfertrout join us. He is a big guy and if we could talk him into coming along we could breng even more neat stuff, like the climber tree stand we often wish we had.
As to leaving a scent trail to the decoys. Only one of us walked out into the field to set up the decoys. Both of us spray fox scent on our boots, shower at least once a week and wash our hunting clothes at least twice a year. :innocentwhistle: I know that a coyotes nose can defeat all our best efforts but we do our best to keep the scent to a minimum. Also we had to get the Scorpion out to the hay bale anyway so there was no more scent than what would have been there. We always spray additional fox or rabbit scent around the decoys to try to confuse the coyotes as much as possible. We are also very aware of wind direction. If you look again at the first two photos you will see that we had the wind coming down the long meadow from left to right. The path we took to set up the decoys minimized the scent trial that a coyote would encounter as he approached the set-up. The idea being to kill him before he crossed that scent trail which is exactly how it worked out. We also were aware of the direction we came into this field which was to Als right. In other words we approached the meadow in such a way as to not walk through the area we expected to see coyotes. We approached with the wind in our face.
Every stand is a learning experience and I appreciate your questions about this successful one. By responding to your questions it has required me to think through to setup again and put into words what we were thinking as to how to setup in this particular situation. :wo: We took the wind into account, the direction the sun was shining, our scent, visibility for the shooter. etc. Hopefully others who read this can learn from our experience. Other hunters might choose to set up differently. This setup worked for us.
I really like the movement added to the setup by the Quiver Critter and will continue to use it on my stands.
Thanks again for the questions and good hunting!
Jim
Great job! Pics and story are excellant.
Good job great story enjoyed reading it. Hope you guys have a great year. :highclap:
Way to go Al and Jim. :congrats: It sounds like you're getting those coyotes figured out a little. Good story and pictures too. :yoyo:
Good job Al and Jim :thumb2:
nice lookin dog and a great story good set up to keep on layin the smack down on em guys :yoyo:
Great story and pictures, thanks for sharing them.
John
Good job guys :congrats: Makes me want to get out and do some calling.
Way to go guys, good story, and that sure is some purdy country you are hunting in, waiting for some cooler weather here in Carolina. Keep up the good work.
thanks for sharing with us. cc
great job and heck of a shot!
Great job guys. :congrats:
awesome work fellas :congrats: :biggrin:
coycaller your response about the decoy and quiver critter. As anyone knows a decoy will absolutely help in calling in coyotes, I bet you have had alot come in on you and look for what is making all that noise and not see anything and sneak out without you even knowing he was around. Don't you think a coyote is smart enough to know if he don't see something happening he probable is not going to come in that extra distance. As far as the scent, do you think Al, Jim and myself know to use cover scent and not spread the human scent. Just thinking out loud here but DONT INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE. P.S I hope you don't go buy one of those decoys , that way there will be more coyotes for us decoy users
I gotta disagree that golfertrout, I understand you were offended by his tone...rightfully so...but, coyotes can be suckered into very close quarters without the use of a decoy.
Also, not always are coyotes gonna run right in to a decoy. Especially a coyote decoy.
Nice job on the call in fellas.
JD
Hey Al,
What, if anything, did you do to the decoy to get it ready to use? To get rid of the rubber smell? Cover scents, scent killer, just air it out, or nothing?
Pat
Quote from: golfertrout on August 04, 2008, 08:08:16 PM
coycaller your response about the decoy and quiver critter. As anyone knows a decoy will absolutely help in calling in coyotes, I bet you have had alot come in on you and look for what is making all that noise and not see anything and sneak out without you even knowing he was around. Don't you think a coyote is smart enough to know if he don't see something happening he probable is not going to come in that extra distance. As far as the scent, do you think Al, Jim and myself know to use cover scent and not spread the human scent. Just thinking out loud here but DONT INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE. P.S I hope you don't go buy one of those decoys , that way there will be more coyotes for us decoy users
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Hiya golfertrout (Dave),
Not to worry my friend. I don't see myself buying one of the rubber coyote decoys anytime in the near future. Heck, after the raving review it got here they're probably sold out by now and I couldn't buy one if I wanted to. :wink: If you fellas feel like the decoy helps you kill coyotes, by all means use it. That's why EdgeExpidite makes em, markets em and sells em.
Dave, I certainly didn't mean to insult anybodies intelligence. If you took it that way, I do apoligize. That is not what I meant to do at all. I have been playing the coyote calling game a long, long time. I've tried it all. I've heard it all. I've seen it all. I by no means claim to be an expert at calling coyotes. But I do have a fairly good grasp about what it takes and what needs to be done to call em.
I think it was Al that said ....it WORKS.... (about the decoy) in big bold letters. Did it :shrug: OR, would that young coyote have came out into the opening and been shot in the eye almost the exact same way if neither one of the decoys had been out there, with only the caller being used? My guess is yes. To me, one very young, not very wise coyote does not warrant a big ...it WORKS....Maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. Would an older, wiser coyote showed itself like the youngster did? Was mom/dad coyote with the youngster or nearby in the trees/bushes and didn't come out because they saw or smelled something they didn't like? Cover scents. Do they really work (for coyotes)?? Very debatable. Lots of questions, possibilities, if this, if that. Way to many variables to declare ...it WORKS...There is alot that could be debated and questioned in your quote above Dave. Let's not go there.
When Al, Jim and you Dave (if you can get up early enough to go with em and help carry all the crap :laf:) get out there and make about 20 more calling stands using the rubber coyote, I'd be glad to hear more. Until then Dave, please don't insult MY intelligence...... Al and Jim, no beef with you two fellas at all. I appretiated and respected the way you guys replied to my initial post. Actually no beef with you either Dave.. After all, it's the friggin internet!! Hell, maybe I'll go callin with you guys someday and I'LL carry all the crap. :roflmao:
Larry
PS. I'm fairly new to the FnF board with not many posts. I'm not sure how it works here. Do I get dogpiled on now by all the buddies of Al, Jim and Dave? Do I get my peepee whacked from the board owner? Maybe banned? I hope not. I kinda like it here. :bowingsmilie:
Larry , I don't think anyone will whack your peepee or ban you. That only happens over at that other forum.
Hold on!.........................It works for me... :corn: And I do not care if some one likes it or not. I also have no problem killing a young dumb one. I learned a lot and had a blast. :readthis:
I would hope that anyone that hunts can understand I am happy to share this set up with others so we can all try and be better at what we do. If I get to the point where I know it all I will let ya know. Dave is a friend of mine and a damn fine coyote hunter in my book and his earlier posts were personal and for me....an inside joke if you will.
I do not work for any manufacture of decoys or e-callers nor am I a pro staffer for anyone. However I was asked in another post ....how is that decoy working for ya so I posted here being the smart ass that I am......It works. Sue me
If this turns into a bitch session where I am asked to explain myself I hope Jimbo deletes it!
Or better yet I will explain now I am a hunter.......I eat meat....I wear leather.......I hate antis.....and I will never apologize for how I do it cause someone don't like it......I sleep fine knowing I never broke the law.....I was ethical.......and I learned something. If anyone tries to take that from me.........There in for a ride
Please do not try and ruin my experience with my Internet friends or my personal friends I will take offense to either. If you would take the time to know me before jumping at the chance to put down how I do things........You might see something you claim you already saw........Or you might just learn something..... A smart Coyote never stops learning.
So learn this, some things I will do you will not agree with..........Get over it.......I am OK with it and I will sleep OK
Any further babble will be read and ignored. :corn:
Coycaller we can get along in here....I just feel a little bashed over the head for being glad my decoy did its job. And for my friend taking up for me. Thats not why I am in here
coycaller-- Nice response. You'll fit in here alright I'm sure.
golfertrout-- I got where you were coming from but I don't believe coycaller actually meant it that way.
Just my opinion if it even counts in this matter. :wink:
Al-- We replied at the same time & you just type faster angry than I do period!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
See above post OK?? :biggrin:
coycaller no offense taken, i was just saying that a decoy will work in a lot of situations and it will give you an advantage. As we all know we all need that little advantage with a coyote. I have another buddie that is a die hard coyote hunter and he also uses a decoy, not the same kind but he likes it and swears by it, he also uses coyote scent all the time and every time we step out of the truck it goes on the boots and clothes, yes we may stink but i think it works. As far as me getting out of bed, I will say i probable should get out early but i usually get up at 8 and go play golf until 2 and then i might go coyote hunting. I like hunting at night when it is cool and not blazing hot. I can step out on a limb and say i have probable put more hours in then alot of guys on here, I might not have killed more then most but I have put in alot of hours, I have spent many nights from sun down to sun up. And canine I know a coyote will come in on just a call, i have done it, i have been surrounded by probable 10 at one time without the use of a decoy, but I think it would help out in alot of situations and i would use one if I had one. I do have a jack in the box but it is messed up n i have to send it back, but i do believe if a yote hears a distress and looks out into a field and does not see something he might just sit down and watch, and then get up and walk away without you even knowing he was around
Quote from: coyote101 on August 05, 2008, 06:01:38 AM
Hey Al,
What, if anything, did you do to the decoy to get it ready to use? To get rid of the rubber smell? Cover scents, scent killer, just air it out, or nothing?
Pat
I followed the directions on the box and let it air out outside for acouple of days and used coyote scent around the decoy when I set it up..........it worked :wink:
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Heck bushmaster, ya posted at 3:15 AM. I'll bet you are sleepy. :shrug:
coycaller i seen where you live out west, out there you probable would not have to use a decoy as much as you do here in West Virginia because you can shoot 300, 400, 500 yards at a coyote. Where we live its hard to get a shot like that and I think a decoy will give you that little extra advantage. I would love to be able to go out west and hunt coyotes on some 10,000 acre ranches, but I am stuck here hunting 50 and 100 acre farms.
Golfer, I am afraid you have a terrible, terrible misconception about calling coyotes *out west* as you put it.
Us *westerners* do not call and shoot coyotes at distances of 300 to 500 yards!!! I'm not sure where you got that notion, but it's totally wrong. No, we do not have the thick foliage and trees, etc, etc to hinder long range visibility like you guys do in the east, and granted, there are places here that are pretty damn flat, with little or no vegetation and you can see a long, long way. Unfortunately, coyotes are not in those types of places.
We also have sage brush, chico brush, river bottoms, dry washes (big, small, and medium ones), prairie full of waist high cactus, yucca, etc, etc, many thousands acres of CRP grass (that stuff is usually over waist high and THICK). What I'm getting at is..... *out west* is NOT one big ass flat plowed field void of any kind of cover or foliage!! There are times when I have spotted a called coyote coming full bore from along ways off in certain areas. And that is a neat thing to watch!!! But trust me when I tell you that MOST of the time when calling here you will not see the coyote(s) until it is very, very close. I often times wonder how in the hell they got to where I first see them without me being able to see them coming from 100's of yards away (did that make sense?). It amazes me sometimes!!
I will leave you with this to think about.......My rifle of choice when calling is normally a .223. Sometimes a 22-250. Every now and then I will use a 12 gauge loaded with 4 buck. EVERY, EVERY, EVERY year I KNOW I could kill more coyotes if I only carried and used the shotgun on every stand. And my main point with that statement is......MOST of the coyotes I call come within shotgun range.....NOT 300 to 500 yards away!!! I can usually kill a running coyote at 25 to 30 yards with a shotgun. I usually can't hit a running coyote with a rifle. :laf:
Now I know your going to ask why I don't use the shotgun exclusively. My answer would be because I prefer a rifle. To be honest I almost feel like I'm cheating when using the shotgun. And I really don't care if I kill every coyote I call. Sometimes a coyote will just come charging in, never slow down and is gone in the blink of an eye. I just smile because I know I fooled him. May not of killed him, but I fooled him.
I work nights. usually dont get home before 2.
Decoy or not I'm happy for ya AL! :yahoo:
Great story & pix guys. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: coycaller on August 06, 2008, 10:42:26 PM
Golfer, I am afraid you have a terrible, terrible misconception about calling coyotes *out west* as you put it.
Us *westerners* do not call and shoot coyotes at distances of 300 to 500 yards!!! I'm not sure where you got that notion, but it's totally wrong. No, we do not have the thick foliage and trees, etc, etc to hinder long range visibility like you guys do in the east, and granted, there are places here that are pretty damn flat, with little or no vegetation and you can see a long, long way. Unfortunately, coyotes are not in those types of places.
In the past ten years I may have taken 2 shots out past 300yds. Most are inside of 50yds. I to do not understand why some think that guys out west have to take 300-500 yd shots?
Quote from: vvarmitr on August 07, 2008, 11:04:21 AM
Decoy or not I'm happy for ya AL! :yahoo:
Great story & pix guys. :wink: :biggrin:
Thanks VV I shot em at
25,000 yds err uhh 25 yds........... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Hunting out west I am convinced is still not the same.........Start anoyher thred or something :rolleye:
No dog piles or pee pee whacking, :nono: but the discussion of whether a decoy is practical or not is quickly taking away from this threads author and his initial purpose of the thread.
They opened another thread Decoys, effective or not??? (http://www.finsandfur.net/forums/index.php?topic=6317.0) to prevent further hijacking of their celebration, let's use it :eyebrownod:
Again nice job Jim and Al. Somebody's puttin fur down... :yoyo: :yoyo:
Al and Jim I am glad you had a good hunt and Al got to put some fur down, you know Al doesn't get much fur :laf: well thats what his wife told me :shrug: :madd:
no reply Al :roflmao: :roflmao: :madd:
Why would that bother me Dave?...........I would rather hunt........ :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao: :eyebrownod:
no dought or have a good steak dinner hu
Guess that in my youth I just dont understand where your coming from. I'm always on the hunt :eyebrow:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: @ ^^^^^ Bushy.
:wo: I remember those days. :eyebrow:
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Back on track..........This is how it went down............Thanks for all the well wishes :biggrin:
:thumb2: That was a perfect set up. Way to go Al.
Nice set up on that stand Al!!!
Give that place a couple weeks & hit it again Al & Jim. :eyebrow:
Moved to Beatdown.