I already know coyotes use escape routes just like deer. But can we predict that movement ?
I saw a scat yesterday as I drove into an area that was so fresh it is evident that I just missed seeing the animal in the road by just minutes. All nice shiny and slick! I checked the area I was going to and came back by this one noting how much it had dried since I had last seen it. I found several deer hunters at the lower end of that drainage. Could they have caused this particular animal to move that far when they entered the area? I would guess for an afternoon hunt they moved into the woods a little while before this animal crossed that road. Travel lane runs straight through to where I found the deer hunters.
Since this is a public use area it is food for thought. We know others have boogered our setups in countless ways over the years we have held this gathering. Could we use it to our advantage? Jimmie
Since you know that area so well Jimmie, I suppose you could use disruptions by others to your advantage if you know for sure the area is holding predators at the time of the intrusion, and have some clue where they were when disturbed by also knowing their normal daily routine. Much like can be done in other kinds of hunting, big game for example. Personally I prefer to not have the intrusions when I am out calling, but that is probably much easier to do in the vast open spaces of the west than in your more densely populated and used area. Almost anything is worth a try though... you can never have too many tricks in your bag.
When the deer hunters come out like they did this weekend they get everything on the move. Trouble is that it's not safe to be anywhere! For beast or man! If a critter comes toward you lead is probably following. Not worth the risk
Ive had friends that have drove coyotes out sucessfuly for themselves. I belie it would be effective especialy if you had the zones we have talked about like a drainage ditch. But the question arises,,,,Do we want to call and hunt predators or just hunt predators. Nothing wrong with either. But it would be like shooting a freebie to me. Im just not intrested but i wouldnt disagree with someone else doing it. To each his own and as long as its legal i say go for it if you want....
Ambush is not th idea. I am thinking if we can halfway predict where the animals will go under pressure, then we are able to call them at that position.
After years of hunting this area I know where they prefer to bed during the day. But small game hunters and bowhunters have use of the area as well. They do move the animals around so much that they become unpredictable and disapear under this pressure. I am going to study my topos of that area some and see if I can figure out the various places that group might go. I now know of two diferent routes they use under two diferent wind directions. What one group does they all do up there. These animals survive very well by knowing where they can go and not run into a human.
And they get lots of practice doing it. Jimmie
Oh i see. This is a good idea. I dont see why it wouldnt even increase the succes in any given area.
I think if the theory works, and the coyotes are cornered into a specific area for cover... they're going to be nearly impossible to coax out in daylight conditions. The amount of pressure it would take for a coyote to drop all normalcy and territorial reigns would surely increase his anxiety about a call.
In my experience coyotes are like mature whitetail bucks, no matter where I'm hunting them, when they are overly pressured they go to the most obscure locations and become a BUGGER to work with. Shin high grass in a drainage swale, a 1/4 acre brushy sinkhole in the middle of a bean field, a section of blowdowns in a briar patch, all perfect bedding locations for wary game. Good luck rattling or howling them in- by the time they've become that fed up with human interferance they've pretty well shut down interest in anything even remotely dangerous.
QuoteI believe very few of the coyotes I kill are responding out of hunger alone. Coyotes are territorial, jealous, selfish, curious and horny... don't feel limited by their momentary abundance of food.
Same thing applies here i would believe.
Coyotes are territorial, jealous, selfish, curious and horny... don't feel limited by their momentary abundance of safetyJason, I agree with what your saying. Yes if the coyote was cornered, but i think Jimmy is saying the places they go when pressured not cornered. These places Jimmy is talking about would be like the places the coyotes go when the 200 plus members of the Phoenix predator callers club start beatin em down....I by no means think they would not be callable. This is a comfort zone to them or they wouldn't be going there period. If a guy gets in there comfort zone and plays he will succeed, not every time ,but sometime.....Got to get in there with them. If Jimmy maps these places out he will increase his success i believe.
Well I'd certainly rather call coyotes where coyotes are... than where they aren't. And if they've all been pressured out of the cropfields, hardwoods or otherwise then I wanna be where they are. HOWEVER, the level of pressure required to push coyote from their home turf in mass-exodus is going to bypass a lot of that other stuff about territorialism, hunger and curiousity. At that point there is very little comfort... similar to whitetails who seemingly shut down all interest in breeding, eating and other social behaviors.
I believe his comfort zone comes out when the sun goes down and all the orange hats are out of the woods... with no foriegn smells, sounds or sights in the woods he is free to relax the gaurd a little bit. Coyotes can survive on a strict recess of 3-5 hours a night... again, much like those big bucks who are driven nocturnal by Tinks' 69 and Snickers wrappers.
For the record, I'm not lumping all coyotes into this type of behavior... nor all whitetails... but if all indicators were of INTENSE pressure I would expect that result. I have seen similar situations where coyotes are hounded 7 days a week for 10-15 weeks straight.
PS: Also you must realize the intense pressure they are seeing from other hunters will be short lived as season goes out. The timeframe they are "uncallable" (Exagerrated term) would be based on the intensity and duration of the pressure they recieve.
Territories is the only thing that goes through my mind reading this.
I'm Farrrrrrrr from fitting into any of the shoes that have posted so far, but wouldn't you think that the amount of actual pressure they were feeling from a short period of small game or bowhunters would pivot greatly on where their boundries were.?
I mean you know if your very close to a boundry line and they streak across it in a panic, they aint goin far. But knowing the boundries would be a big plus in finding that secret hideout they head to when the bowhunters tromp through.
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QuoteI have seen similar situations where coyotes are hounded 7 days a week for 10-15 weeks straight.
Ok first we need to settle on the amount of pressure. Bowhunters and smal game hunters taking freebie shot when they can or hounds running them ragged. You do me ran by hounds when you say hounded ,yes?
Quotethe intensity and duration of the pressure they recieve.
I think that is the whole key.
QuoteI'm Farrrrrrrr from fitting into any of the shoes that have posted so far
Well Jim your not right!! Like the great Gary Clevenger said ," Im just makin this up ,,,what would you do."
I don't think the hunters would have to take a shot in order to pressure the coyote... in most cases I don't believe a coyote knows he has been shot at anyways. They cannot rationalize a gunshot or arrow being released... they know it doesn't belong but have no way of knowing it was intended for them. The mear presence of an extra 10,000 human bodies in the woods is enough to turn a coyotes lifestyle on it's nose. Pennsylvania estimates 1 million hunters took to the woods opening day- can you friggin imagine?!?!
The urine, sweat, trash and noise that bombards their systems on opening day is undoubtably startling. The "amount of pressure" will be derived from the number of hunters, type of hunters and size of area. I don't think the hypotheticals on that pressure statistic really matter... if it's enough pressure for them to pick up and haul ass for a designated hideout it is probably enough to lower their interest in dangerous things like calling stands.
I believe if I am thinking on the same lines as Jimmie here that........
If the coyotes are pressured into a area, they can still be called. Kind of like we did in AZ last winter. These coyotes were hammered! All we had to do was move into the cover thick cover with the coyotes change things up some and we called and killed coyotes. You could call till the cows came home in the open and no dice, move into there core area, give them a little something diffrent and bam! You got coyotes! ( Just like you all did out there this fall Steve)
If you haft to hunt coyotes under these condishions he is just looking for a way to put a plan togeather to call them. Some dont have the option to night hunt or hunt allot of land.
And If I am reading this right he is asking if you can predict a coyotes escape routs? If so, yes you can, they drive them here all the time, and they kill coyotes. Not my cup of tea but it works.
Brent
Keekee, you and I both know these animals are callable and killable, even with all the pressure they recieve. We have done it. But we have also heard other callers we didn't know, working the area!
I am wondering if we can learn to predict th movements of these animals based on our knowledge of them in that particular area. We still haven't figured out a way to bust that pincer move they put on us yet.
In my opinion, a coyote under this type of pressure simply puts his nose to th wind and leaves.He knows where he's going and you do not, it is as simple as that. These are predators ,not prey species that freeze up and hide out when it gets tough.If it hears a mouse squeak , it is lunch time. He finds a warm hillside where he can watch his back trail , it's nap time.
And we humans as lazy as a general rule. We only go so far and turn back at some point in time. They have learned this about us over time in this area.They have learned they can escape by simply moving to another spot without the worry that we will follow. Territories for these groups are around ten square miles give or take a few, we aren't going to cover th whole thing looking for them in a day.
We are supposed to be smarter than they are but sometimes I wonder :nono: Jimmie
There is no doubt that "Coyotes" can be killed in those circumstances... I do it frequently around here in similar public hardwoods littered with orange hats. The area you kill 5 coyotes on in Arizona probably would've produced 25 before the pressure... which means here in the East that 2 dog spot just turned into a 0.4 when deer season opened!
To me the question is about percentages, the ratio of your effort exerted versus the return in yield. Quite simply;
I would rather rattle off 20 stands hoping to find 19 blanks and one unpressured (As defined above) coyote than do 5 stands exclusively for coyotes that have been hammered out of their home turf and bombed into shelter. If you are narrowing down your huntable area to these specific "bomb shelters" you're cutting way down on the number of stands you're making. I've done it both ways and had more luck with numerous stands.
If this tactic makes you feel confident then by all means keep at it, if it's THIS or stay home definately give it a shot. It will kill "coyotes". I made a stand matching this description about 6 hours ago so I'm not insinuating this idea is ludicrous... but I will say it's not the silver bullet we'd like it to be.
I dont think its no silver bullet by no means....But allot of hunters deal with this in there everyday calling. Remember JRB not everyone live's and breaths coyote calling like we do, or put near the time into it that we do.
And to some extent yes it is a tactic's game. I am to the point in my calling were I enjoy out smarting a wise old coyote over taking a yoy any day. Dont get me wrong I enjoy every call in. But I work some areas knowing what I am up against and still go back for more!
Point is allot of callers deal with this stuff every day. East or West!
Brent
QuoteI don't think the hunters would have to take a shot in order to pressure the coyote... in most cases I don't believe a coyote knows he has been shot at anyways. They cannot rationalize a gunshot or arrow being released... they know it doesn't belong but have no way of knowing it was intended for them.
Yes i know this and so does most everyone else, i was just saying that hunters are there. Most of do take shots when given a chance and yes the coyotes may know this but don't associate.
Quotebut I will say it's not the silver bullet we'd like it to be.
I agree,but what is? There ain't no silver bullet in coyote hunting. Thats the whole point in this thread. If we had silver bullets we wouldn't need these comfort zones that the coyotes are running to.
I agree that a coyote may go nocturnal and all,but thats what is special about these spots Jimmy is talking about. We can and DO get in there with them and call coyotes with consistency. Coyotes are to territorial, jealous, selfish, curious and horny to shut down.
QuoteI would rather rattle off 20 stands hoping to find 19 blanks and one unpressured (As defined above) coyote than do 5 stands exclusively for coyotes that have been hammered out of their home turf and bombed into shelter.
Why just 5 stands. Me and Higgins made 10 i think and seen 9 coyotes in a day and started late.(I'm not taking credit either ,Higgins called everyone of them but one.) These stands took place where some hunters from the campout hit the day before and the whole club hits every month and who knows how many in between. I think a it is a limitation to ones self to over look these conditions.
QuoteAnd to some extent yes it is a tactic's game. I am to the point in my calling were I enjoy out smarting a wise old coyote over taking a yoy any day. Don't get me wrong I enjoy every call in. But I work some areas knowing what I am up against and still go back for more!
Point is allot of callers deal with this stuff every day. East or West!
Yah thats right Brent. And the reason being is that someone taught us(me ,you,JRB,Jimmy) somewhere down the road that this is a very doable tactic and is consistant. I don't know how a fellows percentage could be higher overlooking these areas. Yes i don't think a guy should cut his areas down to these specific areas but i don't think a guy should ever pass them while on there way somewhere else.
I think Eastern hunters would be wise to drop some of those theories developed in the desert. While there are similarities there are massive differences as well... mainly in population and pack structure. Also the size and quantities of those "Safe-houses" are much different than they are in the East. The type of pressure is very different as well, Arizona competition callers hit a spot and pre-condition the survivors to the threat... Kentucky deer hunters freak out every coyote with inconsistant impact on their populations and structure.
The number of stands I mentioned was only an example, a ratio that explains my success in a days calling is better spent on coyotes that haven't been drilled into submission. I have no problem calling a coyote where I killed one the day before... that's not the level of pressure we're talking about. The level of pressure required to kick a coyote off his home turf and into hiding will alter his entire lifestyle, he actually begins altering that daily schedule long before he packs his bags. I suspect the areas that you mention "Consistantly" calling pressured coyotes are areas that hold those who haven't quite decided to throw their territory and livlihoods out the window in the name of survival. Many of the places I hunt, and I assume what Jimmy is talking about, are forest that you couldn't walk far enough in to call 9 coyotes in day.
When dealing with those types of reduced numbers- and faced with the same amount of available time to make stands- I've just found it more productive to crank out stands for those coyotes who haven't begun to shut down all normality in life. I'm not speaking hypothetically as you guys seem to imply... this isn't foriegn language to me as I do hunt "a little".
Sure- hit those spots if you walk past them... but I wouldn't plan my day around an area that I know holds coyotes that haven't slept or ate comfortably in weeks. Yes by theory it sounds like a great way to manipulate coyotes- I've beaten my head against that wall a few times and just thought I'd share the results. Heck, you guys killed more than I did out west so your advice is probably more sound for Eastern coyotes too... :whew:
"I already know coyotes use escape routes just like deer. But can we predict that movement ? "
Sure you can, but the route is not important. It's the destination!!
QuoteI think Eastern hunters would be wise to drop some of those theories developed in the desert. While there are similarities there are massive differences as well... mainly in population and pack structure
Yeah they have the numbers but that is something that is always brought up. I think its irrelevant. I'm not from the east really so i couldn't say but the theories really are consistant here. Same animal,same comfort zones, same pressure, did i say same animal...Yes differences are present but not circumstantial IMHO.
QuoteI suspect the areas that you mention "Consistently" calling pressured coyotes are areas that hold those who haven't quite decided to throw their territory and livelihoods out the window in the name of survival. Many of the places I hunt, and I assume what Jimmy is talking about, are forest that you couldn't walk far enough in to call 9 coyotes in day.
Your right I don't have any hardwoods here and No deer hunters ,road hunters, callers,hounds, no snickers rappers, piss, dung from drunk deer hunters,Polaris rangers, bowhunters,squirrel hunters, coon hunters, farmers with guns and there wifes ,nothing. I don't have pressured coyotes for sure. See now we are back to the north,south,east ,west ,midwest stuff. I know the numbers have alot to do with how many stands you call coyotes in on,but bottom line is we still all call coyotes. There are alot of places we call that coyotes don't here us even, but i know in AZ just about every stand a coyote will here ya. Thats the only difference in my eyes. Which honestly makes it tougher.
QuoteYes i don't think a guy should cut his areas down to these specific areas but i don't think a guy should ever pass them while on there way somewhere else.
QuoteSure- hit those spots if you walk past them... but I wouldn't plan my day around an area that I know holds coyotes that haven't slept or ate comfortably in weeks.
Some of us have to and chose to. Just a way of life for some that don't have the access.
QuoteI'm not speaking hypothetically as you guys seem to imply... this isn't foreign language to me as I do hunt "a little".
Yes we know. And i think you are a very knowledgable hunter and also are able to put in this into words alot better than most which is more understandable than some which is a plus cause I'm slow , but i think your letting the big set of horns you always mention cast a big shadow over your coyote hunting side. I do believe that a coyote can be run out of a place scared to death. But when he gets to where hes going he is still a coyote. I guess i just have not witnessed a coyote shut down all the normality of life due to pressure. Like i said before, Quote,"I'm just making this up. END QUOTE Gary Clevenger.
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QuoteI'm not speaking hypothetically as you guys seem to imply... this isn't foreign language to me as I do hunt "a little".
You know the more i think about it i wonder. Why would you even say this. Why would you think we thought that. You prolly been huntin longer than me. Besides im self proclaimed!! I just thought i would throw that out there.
QuoteSure you can, but the route is not important. It's the destination!!
Yes well put. I agree totaly...
What I said about your "Consistantly" calling coyotes... and them not being under the same type of pressure we're discussing- it still stands. I have tried to say the same thing three different ways but apparently it isn't coming across clearly. I kill coyotes in the same manor Steve, consistantly amidst hunters and other pressure, but my point is that THOSE dead coyotes were not the ones that gave up all normailty of life to live in a bomb shelter.
I can take you to places that hold coyotes who shiver in fear all day long... piss and shit in their beds for fear of leaving it's safety... those coyotes are NEARLY uncallable. I assume not totally- but again the odds tell me that I'm wasting my time for a 1/50 chance when there are 1/10 chances elsewhere.
If you ask your mentor I believe he will give you similar information about the eastern/western numbers and structures. He and I discussed some of those studies in Arizona so I know he's familiar, the differences are something you cannot ignore. Those numbers and stuctures DO CHANGE how coyotes deal with things like the pressure we're discussing. The family units and dispersal patterns are different- meaning the concept of manipulating them is different. There are a lot of opinions we can disagree on but those raw facts aren't really nagotiable.
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Oh come on, my quote about hunting a little bit comes from statements like that Steve, where some folks think they have it so rough... and their experience much deeper... that my experience seems insignifigant. I tried to tell you what years of hunting here (closer to JimmyinKY than anyone else in this thread) has taught me, and you came back with broad-based logic developed in the desert. Your newfound theory of comfort zones is similar to this "new idea" of calling pressured coyotes... not so new to some.
I cannot convey the information the way I would like too in this thread so I'm going to stop... I feel confident in everything I said, we'll just have to print this out and discuss it over a campfire sometime.
If you ask your mentor I believe he will give you similar information about the eastern/western numbers and structures. He and I discussed some of those studies in Arizona so I know he's familiar, the differences are something you cannot ignore. Those numbers and structures DO CHANGE how coyotes deal with things like the pressure we're discussing. The family units and dispersal patterns are different- meaning the concept of manipulating them is different. There are a lot of opinions we can disagree on but those raw facts aren't really negotiable.
JRB....This is true, the numbers game plays a big difference in allot of things as you said. And it changes things as well.
I don't think this is a East or West debate, We were talking comfort zones due to pressure, and pressure is there no matter weather you are East or West, diffrent but still there. There are areas out west were the coyotes are just as hard to call as anywere else you will hunt. But there are more of them! Its the change in tactic's that I was talking about, if I am calling pressured coyotes no matter were I am at, I change, and you do as well, we haft to to kill coyotes if we are forced to call these areas.
And I think you can sure use tactic's learned out west on eastern coyotes, I done it here before I even set foot out west, yes things are diffrent but adapting to the change is what makes us all good callers, no matter were your at. And at the the same time you can use tactic's learned from the East on Western coyotes.
I see your point well to. Things are diffrent. Jimmie hunts allot of area that is just like I hunt here, I have hunted both KY right were Jimmie calls, and Indy and there are allot of diffrent areas in all three states that have factors in all this.
Everyone has a difference of oppinion don't get all personal on me here guys. Thats why we are all here posting. You can post just about anything you want here with out being deleted, but were all here for the same reason and thats to share debate and talk predators. Just don't take any of this personal. We welcome all input and feed back from everyone.
Brent
Just remember, "Our perception is our reality".
I love the ideas that are here.......that's why I come. Every now and then I read, see, or hear about something that makes me want to try it where I hunt. If it wasn't for these boards we wouldn't have the chance to constantly be evaluating the way we hunt.
Having said that.........learning to hunt from a board is gonna be tough. Read and absorb what you can, but in the end you just have to get out there and give it a whirl. I see personal styles coming into play almost as much as anything on these boards.
Some like handcalls only, while others use E-callers. Some use both.
Some prefer rifles while others shotguns.
Reloading as opposed to buying off the shelf.
The list goes on and on.
Our coyote hunting experience is very much a part of our personality.....our likes and dislikes.
I enjoy reading folks take on this fascinating game we call "predator hunting".
Shoot.......I'm trying to incorporate the use of dogs here in the south-east for coyote hunting.
Is it gonna be a very successful tactic?.............Don't know yet, but we'll see. :biggrin:
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QuoteOh come on, my quote about hunting a little bit comes from statements like that Steve, where some folks think they have it so rough... and their experience much deeper... that my experience seems insignifigant. I tried to tell you what years of hunting here (closer to JimmyinKY than anyone else in this thread) has taught me, and you came back with broad-based logic developed in the desert. Your newfound theory of comfort zones is similar to this "new idea" of calling pressured coyotes... not so new to some.
Quotenot so new to some
No shit! JRB, I dont think i have it tough at all. Yes i do have to, and yes i choose to. And you think this is my new found theory? You come on. I discussed this long ago before i even met any body from out west. Good poke though! Yes i agree that coyotes handle presure diffrent in every region. But like i said in my last reply. I guess i just havent expierianced coyotes shut down all the normality of there life.
QuoteOh come on, my quote about hunting a little bit comes from statements like that Steve, where some folks think they have it so rough... and their experience much deeper... that my experience seems insignifigant.
And then i said.
QuoteYou know the more i think about it i wonder. Why would you even say this. Why would you think we thought that. You prolly been huntin longer than me. Besides im self proclaimed!! I just thought i would throw that out there.
Here im all nice and you get defensive. I guess thats what i get when i discuss topics with someone of your class someone that knows it all. You seem to think these are my new found theories........ like i said im self proclaimed i guess and i copy paste this shit from other people with a lil more knowledge than me. I aint afraid to admit that Im not past learning. I admit i dont know as much on coyotes as alot but i was just discussing. You on the other hand gets bent because someone dont agree with you and thinks that we are not acknowledging you expieriance. Boy are you wrong.
Quote[I cannot convey the information the way I would like too in this thread so I'm going to stop... I feel confident in everything I said, we'll just have to print this out and discuss it over a campfire sometime.
You conveyed it just fine. I just dont agree with some of it. I didnt say all i just said some. And also if we dont agree now why would we at a campfire?
QuoteIf you ask your mentor I believe he will give you similar information about the eastern/western numbers and structures. He and I discussed some of those studies in Arizona so I know he's familiar, the differences are something you cannot ignore. Those numbers and stuctures DO CHANGE how coyotes deal with things like the pressure we're discussing. The family units and dispersal patterns are different- meaning the concept of manipulating them is different. There are a lot of opinions we can disagree on but those raw facts aren't really nagotiable.
Im not diagreeing on this. But i will say this,the coyotes here are much like the ones we hunted in AZ at the campout. I dont really give a rats ass about numbers and structure rigjht now. Im just saying that i guess theres no diffrence between here and arizona when it comes to calling. I aint from Indiana so i wont argue no more. And im sure since you live close to KY they are difrent there to.
Steve, if you feel I am mad, angry or agitated in any way you are mistaken and I apologize for fooling you with my words. I'm gathering that from the phrase "Get bent" which I assume means I would be upset. ?
I don't want anyone to agree with me, I've seen it happen once or twice before and it wasn't nearly this fun and educational. I'm sorry if your theories of comfort zones came long before you came online... I must've been misled. A lot of your talk in the chatroom with Tim seems to be direct regurgetation of Rich's theories... I didn't know you worked from those theories before he was around. My bad- wouldn't matter either way... still good solid platforms to call coyotes from no matter when you were introduced to them.
I don't get into quoting somone over and over again, but I'm fairly certain you've used research and western phylosophy as gosphel a time or two, then thrown it all out the window elsewhere. Your last statement about not caring about numbers or pack structure kinda voids all your other research based input in my opinion... you cannot skip the basic fundamentals of regional coyote behavior then pick and chose studies or patterns.
The reason I think we'd be better off discussing this around a campfire is that I can express my thoughts better in person. Without typing and coming off so straight laced and hardcore. And, you'd have to admit, you have a tendancy of wearing your heart on your sleeve online. I don't think we're "THAT" far apart in phylosophy, again I made a stand today that fits this criteria... I'm not ADAMANATLY stating anything. Just giving a little input on something myself and MY MENTORS have dealt with over the years.
I'm hoping we can use this thread, and a lot of the other pinned ones in here, in our new reference area.
You guys are posting some good informative stuff for the next guy that may come along and pull this thread looking to help himself out.
Let's not spoil the thread by kicking rocks at each other for what they may or may not believe.
Ya know wether anyone wants to admit it or not, it's the many variations of opinions that got YOU where you are..... when you were learning.
Let's help someone else out. :wink:
Just because you or I do it differently doesn't mean it's wrong. Coyotes don't have text books. :sneer:
I too run as many stands as possible during the time I have to hunt. But I want those stands to be as productive as possible. And studying the problems a bit helps to do that. It's a matter of how many stands you want to make between kills.
This sport is growing faster than any other. I can't go in a store today and not hear folks talking coyote instead of deer and small game. The racks of calls have already been trashed anywhere you care to look around here. This normally doesn't happen until lanuary. There is now a small army of hunters out there , when just a few years ago we had the woods mainly to ourselves when it comes to calling coyotes. I don't have the option of hunting during the week anymore. I have to get out there when I can with the rest of them. Thankfully they won't be using the sounds and calls I will , giving me a fair chance at calling a few animals. And along with all of these will be the die hard deer and small game hunters working the woods too.
I think a coyote is going to put his nose to the wind and go on about it's bussiness under this type of pressure. He needs to feed and rest and he will do so . I am not so sure we can predict the destinations but I do believe we can predict the routes they will take out of an area if we think about the factors involved. This will give me somewhat of a chance when I see a vehicle parked in an area I intended to call. Not all the animals will move at the same time nor along the same exact route. But if I am thinking in such terms then I can make those stands in more productive areas. Jimmie
I have learnt some stuff over the past few hours and i think im not a hundred percent right, But i dont think any of us are and thats whats so good about coyote huntin. Keep on with them replies and lets get some figure'un done. :yoyo:
You know , it hasn't been all that many years since I went to all mouth calls for th same reason. Competition and hunter pressure. They were and are still jumping in this thing with e-callers because of a lack of knowledge and confidence. I got a little complacent with my thinking on the subject and got into a rut sort of. I haven't thought about the competition and how they work or how the animals react to them.
If you hunt at night and don't hunt the five nights of the full moon phase, your missing something. You have to work it diferently to be succesful but it can be the hottest part of the month for you.
You always have to ask questions and think things through. Try diferent things and learn more . If they are succesful , you have a new tool to use. If Not, then nothing lost but still more knowledge gained. Jimmie
Jimmy, are you saying you can personally kill more coyotes under a big moon than other phases? As a general rule, you would advise calling your hot spots under a big moon... assuming we knew the tricks you do? I find that interesting, could you post more info in Jim's moon phase thread?