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Based on your own experiences or studies, explain what distinguishes one of these from the other.
And why you would use what in certian situations.

Lone Howl - Challenge Howl - Group Howl - Yip Howl - F.U. Charlie Howl

The Lone Howl is my number one go to call, when using vocalizations. Its a good rounded all purpose call to use as well. And to be honest, its hard to mess up. Coyotes respond well to the lone howl as well. There are a ton of diffrent variations on this one as well, and when calling I differ my lone howls as well......

I my put some barks in front or may not. Or some barks after. And depending on who you talk to some do and some don't use barks.

I use the lone howl to open a stand or anytime during a stand to change things up as well. I may also include some puppy howls in front then a Lone howl answer to follow.

One thing I try to do is make sure when I blow a Lone howl that it has a rise in the beginning and tapers off at the end. As long as it tapers off it don't show aggression to other coyotes. And how long the howl is don't make much difference to me, I don't have a set Lght of the howl. I also try and keep it on the high pitched side to sound like a younger coyote.

I use this howl at any time of the year for diffrent reasons, its good in the breeding season, or denning season, summer or fall. Its just a good rounded call to use on stand!


The Challenge Howl, or Threat bark howl.......

This is a howl that I don't use very often. I very seldom blow this howl until a coyote Threat Barks at me first. Then I just give them back as close to the same as they give me. And just try to make on the high pitched side and not sound over aggressive or intimidating to the other coyote.

Every once in awhile I will use a threat bark howl at the end of a stand just as a last ditch effort. Or if I know the coyote is there and I want to try and get a rise out of it. And if I get busted for some reason other than the wind. If I get a coyote in that hasn't winded me and is barking at me, then I bark back and may give a threat bark howl to prey on there Territorial instincs. More of a gut feeling on when and were to use this howl.


Group Howl - Yip Howl


I use this howl more for locating than anything. Sometimes we will group howl on a stand just to change things up some and give me something diffrent to change up some.

I love this sound for locating though, I don't haft to worry so much about a physical responce from them just a vocal responce. I use it at night allot as well. And it seems to fire the local packs up real well.


One other howl thats not listed that I use allot is the Puppy howls. I use these allot. I also use the lost puppy howls allot as well. Coyotes seem to respond well for me at anytime of the year to these howls. What I will do is start out with a couple puppy howls then a adult answer, then go right strait to the puppy distress Cries and wines. Kind of lay out a story line so to speak for the coyotes, I do this with most all my howling......... Story being a puppy howls, or is lost and a adult answers, then the next thing they hear is the puppy in distress, Its a I got to go check this out thing I guess, but its produces for me allot.

Adult coyote distress......

I use this some, not as much as the puppy distress though. Anytime I shoot a coyotes weather I hit or miss I go right strait to the coyotes distress sound. And I will mix this sound in with my calling on stand as well, kind of like the story line deal again.

Puppy distress and puppy wines and Cries..........

This is my main sound! Very few stands to I set that I do not blow this sound. And its called allot of coyotes for me. I almost always end the stand with puppy distress and I love to mix the wines and Cries in with my calling. Allot of stands this is the only sound I will blow, and depending on the stand, I mix these in with just about all my howling at one point or the other.

There are a few other sounds I use every once in a while, female coyote estrus chirps, growling, and barks, are mixed in the bad of tricks as well. I use these sounds from time to time, allot of it depending on the time of year and area I am calling, and what takes place on stand.

I throw some barks in with about all my howling from time to time as well. Again just depends on whats going on, time of year and the area I am calling.


Here is a few link to some of my sounds to give you a idea of what sounds I am talking about and use......

http://www.keescalls.com/Volume1_sound_samples/adultdistressnew3.wav

http://www.keescalls.com/Volume1_sound_samples/groupnew3.wav

http://www.keescalls.com/Volume1_sound_samples/lonehowlsnew3.wav

http://www.keescalls.com/Volume1_sound_samples/pupdistressnew3.wav

http://www.keescalls.com/Volume1_sound_samples/puppyhowlnew3.wav


Brent

Heres a sound clip on how i do things . Hope you enjoy. Really!

http://esnips.com/doc/33a47732-48c2-44f6-b1df-4320bd7c9b51/howls

Thanks for the sound clip Steve. It was very good and informative. A good way to learn from an experienced caller. Just one question though? What sound do you use to just call a coyote tail??? :laf:

here ya go bob!  :roflmao:  http://esnips.com/doc/4a9e841a-a382-4d02-89c6-1e7e062c0ad1/funny-tail-clip

Thanks Steve!!  :roflmao:

Dag gummit your good on that howler Brent!! Nice sides and info.

Jim, I cant get any of Brent's link to work on my dang computer. I am sure it is on my end. Any suggestions?
I can hear steve's just fine.

Randy

I forgot to add when I click on the links it locks up my computer.

Brent,
Your coyote howls and sounds are very good.  :highclap: Sounded like the real thing to me. Just one question though? When the coyotes come to your calls with the music, are they waltzing or doing the foxtrot?  :hahaha:
Bob

Randy...are you able to play ANY wav files on your computer? Their just wav files and should open up automatically with either sound recorder or Quicktime.

That's Dire Straights...Romeo and Juliet, Bob. Had to do something to keep people from downloading them.
He's got em for sale.   :biggrin:

    Brent,it amazes me how realistic you sound on that howler.Really really nice brent.I think that those sound clips will help alote of people on here.Thanks Brent.

Good job Brent and Steve :yoyo:

I have only been using coyote vocalizations on stands for the past 3 or 4 years. I used to only use them for locating. After meeting ILcoyote and stan at LBL 5 years ago I was very interested in coyote vocalizations,they hunt coyotes with vocalizations only. I tried allot of different things and found barks and yelps work best for the area I hunt.

usually I wait until the 15min mark and do a few barks and yelps sometimes mixed with prey sounds.If there is one hung up where I cant see him he will come on in. I have tried the howls in every configuration I can think of with out a response.

Jeesh Brent , I never knew you played Michael Bolton in the background while you howled them coyotes in.  :wo:   Will any elevator music work ?   :eyebrownod:
                       Jeb

I can get Brent's just fine.  Only get about 32 seconds of Steve's out of aroung 4 + minutes.  Is the end of the sound file a void?

Steve,

Thats good stuff there! Coyote tails? your Killen me...Lol...I got pic somewere of that!................No all joking aside. Good sounds! I like that Threat bark howl! That has to be a Brad H howler?


Thanks for all the good comments guys, I just blow the thing really! Allot, though!  Rich Higgins has tough me allot over the years and credit is due were credit is due. Me and Rich have spent allot of time hunting and on the phone, rich has been a big mentor to me over the years.

Thanks for all the feed back!

The music just keeps them interested! And takes there mind off the gun shots!

Brent

 "Rich Higgins has tough me allot over the years and credit is due were credit is due."

Credit is indeed due. Fact is, Brent is the best on a howler that I have ever heard. Better than me.
Now if we can just do something about that damn theme music.  At least Michael Bolton is better on stand than the theme from Shaft.

Thanks for the sounds.  I need to practice before I start scaring away critters with a howler and this gives me great references.

Brent, I don't have the right background music to practice with, can you tell us the artist?   :laf:

Jerry

 :roflmao:
I told you it was Romeo and Juliet, by Dire Straights

     Rich,good god man,Michael Bolton?Are you trying to call gay coyotes or what?I was thinking more on the lines of Knocken on Heavens Door by Guns n Roses. :laf:

As general reference, I use the following music when I practice..................


For Fawn distress or death cries.....Country music!

For Jack Rabbit or aggressive sounds........Heavy metal!

For cottontail or coaxing sounds.........Rock!

For Bird sounds........Bluegrass!

For Howling sounds............Elevator Music or classical!


Brent

Brent, Thanks for the words about my funnyness"   Anyway that was a power howler i had laying on my desk. My Brad H holwer was in the truck out in the cold so just used this one. If you would like ill piut some open reed sounds up. Featuring thew BRAD H buffalo horn(my favoritest holwer)

Go 4 it

http://esnips.com/doc/4bd1188d-e572-45d2-8c44-a28b9782fef7/howls-on-cow

       Does anyone have a sample of a femail invitation howl.

fuzz,

I don't have one, but I think it sounds like Mae West's voice saying, "Hey, Big Boy.  Why don't you come over and see me sometime?"    :innocentwhistle:

Jerry

My belief is that is that the female invitation is just a lone howl.
The cycle she is going through, gives it it's name.

   Well Hawk,can you explain how to say all that useing a howler? :laf:
   
    So Jim,what you are saying is that the femail invitation is just a normal lonesome howl on the high pitch end.That is easy enough.Thanks

There are several diffrent versions of the lone howl. Diffrent people call them diffrent things, some try and break it down into individual names to each howl. I myself have never been able to tell the difference between a lone howl and a invitation howl. There are allot of variations in opinion on this topic. So, this is just my 02 cents worth...lol

This time of year I just drag my lone howls out a little longer, kind of sounds real lonely, make sure it tapers up peaks out then tapers back off at the end. And I don't add no barks with them.


Brent

Thanks for all the tips guys,,i have been trying to find out all i can about the vocalizations and this has helped a ton
Thank you
Bob

OhioBob: you ol' swamp mopper, where you been! 'bout time you showed up here! :biggrin:

VV
I finally got back to a normal 5 day schedule at work,, and now i  have 8 more days of a 10 day vacation left and i may have a friggin funeral to go to but im hoping not,,how you been V V ? i got Rudy working on some stuff for me too,he will finish them when he gets back from Indiana,,im a SUCKER for birdseye/curly Maple,,i THINK im going to try to night hunt for coyotes this week,,maybe tomorrow night or next Sunday night,,,muzzleloader season is in 27-30 so there will be no night hunting on those nights :nofgr:
Bob

Hey Bob where you doing the night hunt at I would like to tag along if possible

Bill
i might go out around here to a farm or 2 i can hunt,,you can tag along with me anytime,,i was trying to figure out the private message on here to send ya one,,is there any day thats better for you to go? muzzleloader season screwed about 4 days up but we will be able to work around it,,,if you want we can go out here 1 night and i can come down to Baltic the next night if you want,,,i still have a visual of the old farmers Grandson getting the shit scared out of him when that
coyote was growling and bearing its teeth at him,,i know i WOULDNT want to get bit by one!
Bill go ahead and PM me and let me know what ya want to do?
Bob

Hey Bob when we do this night hunt I will be taking the trusty ol 12ga and leave the rifle behind so i hope your calling is better then mine lol :laf:

Hey what gives, all KeeKee's links go to a portal even his keekee.com. Something happen to him?

He got out of the Biz.....and is doing well with his new animal control Business. he has a new site now ......I forget the link......I just talked to him on face book the other day......His father past recently so he aint been online much lately.

The domain is still alive (till the end of June) but Yahoo is sucking revenue off of it because we killed the site on it, and the actual domain name was registered through them.

Basically they accept money from people for advertising for them, and then they slap the relevant ads on these domains that are either abandon or parked. :iroll:

Kinda like picking up someones underwear that you found on the restroom floor of a grungy gas station outside of Waco TX and selling them as a $40 dollar Bandanna.
Tycoon techniques.


Brent's doing animal control now and doing quite well with it. http://www.ohioanimalcontrol.com

ok So  We just ignore any keekee links then.

Well, that would probably be the best thing at this point Slag since like I said the site is no longer there.
I'm getting the impression that your looking down on things because I did not go in and remove the link from his signature line.
It's really not my place do that, but since Brent hasnt been on for a very long time I have taken the liberty do just that and I edited his profile

Hopefully that gives you some closure. :wink:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=52819     :innocentwhistle:

Devil made me do it.......... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Any contact info or anyone who would like to contact me can email to brent@ohioanimalcontrol.com or stop by the site at ohioanimimalcontrol.com and go to the contact page. would love to hear from anyone who wants to shoot the bull or talk coyotes! Also you can call me at (740) 894-5619 I may not answer but check in the office a couple times a day. Just on the road allot now! Jim done the website so just look over it!....lmao!

Brent

I edited your email address in the post. It was adding the word "to" to it.
:wink:

Thanks!  :biggrin:

I am not trying to Hijack this Thread but a couple of months back there were coyotes at my brothers house that sounded just like owls.  We were out hunting and all I heard was an owl calling over and over about 50 yards into the woods the entire time we were there.  I packed up and started to leave from stand number one and asked my brother if he always hears the owls around his place.  He said that is what the coyotes have been sounding like and the coyote he shot the night before was making that same call before he shot it!  I was hesitant to believe him to say the least until we got to the trucks and heard another one across the road start making the same sound.  I took out my howler and did a Challenge Howl/bark sequence and sure enough the owl sound turned to a challenge response!
Anyone know what the owl sounds mean?
Thanks in Advance!

QuoteAnyone know what the owl sounds mean?

You have lots of owls around you.

Quote from: COYOTE INC on April 21, 2010, 07:24:15 AM
Anyone know what the owl sounds mean?
Thanks in Advance!

:confused: :confused:  Bullshit is real deep in your neck of the woods?  :shrug:

In turkey hunting the owl sounds mean something like "who cooks for you" "who cooks for you all".  In coyote hunting I don't know what they mean tho.  :shrug:

 :wo: are you sure there wasn't an owl and a coyote in the same area ive hunted yotes for 20 some years ant never heard one sound like an owl or maybe i have just thought it was an owl (lol) :confused: :confused: :confused:

Well, we're all well aware of the coyotes ability to be adaptable.  ;yes;
I just bet they learnt that old Injun trick of sounding like an owl when a paleface came around.  :readthis:

Hooty hoo, hooty hoo