Hey fellas, new problem that needs the attention of you seasoned shooters. My millett scope that is mounted on my .338 Win Mag. recently developed a problem. I had the magnification on full power and fired. The sight picture became blurred and never came back to clarity. I backed off the magnification and the sight picture came back. Then, the problem repeated. Eventually i was reduced to using minimal magnification and infinite focus to keep a clear sight picture. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED???
Sounds like your scope is toast.......I have had it happen similar to this in the past. I would call the company and explain everything to them....they should replace it for you......That scope may not be good enough to hold to that cal./load
Do you have a muzzle break on this rifle?
I ask cause it can sometimes cause a violent backlash to a scope and some just will not take it.
I have shot a lot of spring and piston high powered air rifles the back and fourth motion of the spring when fired can rip the cross hairs right out of a scope not designed to take it. :wink:
That scope will get worse and eventually look like a kaleidoscope ....seeing dual or multiple images....or the cross hairs will break.
I have sent a bunch of them back and never had a problem getting a replacement.
YOU BROKE IT !!
Quote from: weedwalker on August 02, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
YOU BROKE IT !!
Without a doubt!! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Thanks Ed I coulda saved a lot of typing........... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Sounds like it is time for it to return to the manufacturer. Shooting a .338 can cause some scopes to die. I can't really say much about the Millett with high power since I only have one on a .22 LR.
Jerry
You didn't break that scope, bushy. That dayumed .338 win mag did it! :biggrin: I hope ya got a nice Limbsaver recoil pad on that baby. :eyebrownod: That caliber is a real azz kicker with 220 grain bullets. :shck: Are ya goin' grizzly bear huntin'? :laf:
I DO have a muzzle brake on it as well as a limb saver. Never knew that the brake could cause such a misfortune, but it makes sense. The problem didn't occur until AFTER I had the brake installed. Only 50 rounds LATER!! DAMMIT!!! :argh: I went to the millett sight and the actual bottom line of the warranty info said That a Receipt is required to honor the warranty. I bought the rifle used from my local gun store with the scope already on it. I'll call them anyway but do you think Im up shnitz creek here?
THANK YOU ED, I was lost before you shared such wisdom :roflmao:
SEMP, I load 225gr spitzers with 72gr of H4831sc. i have never been grizzly hunting. It's anything i need it for rifle :wink:
Quote from: bushmaster on August 04, 2009, 12:40:16 AMTHANK YOU ED, I was lost before you shared such wisdom
No problem Nate. Glad to help. I've been around other scopes that did this and after checking them out it always came down to one thing......
They were
BROKE
Bushy, Call Millett (714-842-5575) The Scopes have a lifetime Guarantee, or sent it to them with a letter ( NoReceipt) of what it is doing and they will send you a new one, I dropped one and bent the tube, they replaced it.
Address:
Millett
16131-K Gothard Street
Huntington Beach, CA 92647.
Their site: WWW.MILLETTSIGHTS.COM
They are good scopes and the company will honer the guarantee. cc
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on August 04, 2009, 09:42:12 AM
Bushy, Call Millett (714-842-5575) The Scopes have a lifetime Guarantee, or sent it to them with a letter ( NoReceipt) of what it is doing and they will send you a new one, I dropped one and bent the tube, they replaced it.
Address:
Millett
16131-K Gothard Street
Huntington Beach, CA 92647.
Their site: WWW.MILLETTSIGHTS.COM
They are good scopes and the company will honer the guarantee. cc
Do It.....I have done this many times with several companies......they all seem to want to help ya out....just be honest with them and see what you need for that gun....that round....a muzzle break....even a simms pad.
Some of them even sent me a better scope at no charge to see if it could take it. :eyebrownod:
Bushy, Its not you, its your scope. :biggrin: A .338 will put a beating on your average walmart scope. :wink: I don't know anything about the scope ya use though.
I was using those High Energy 250's in mine when they first came out years ago, my scope survived the abuse but man, after three rounds I had to get all the precautionary devices myself. I'd say the kick between the regular 250's and the HE rounds was equivalent to saying it went from kicking like my lil sister to down right getting hit by a semi. :shck: I had to quit shooting them as I had to beat my bolt open to eject the rounds.
I first took those HE rounds to the range to sight in the rifle and man after three, I said "I'm gona wait until I get my rifle set up for this before I shoot anymore of those rounds". My lil skinny buddy called me wimp in not so polite terms and laughed at me. (He hadn't shot them yet) :sneer: So I loaded the HE's in my rifle and placed on regular 250 at the top, and told him to give them a try. :innocentwhistle: He shot that first regular one like it was nothing and looked back with a big shit eating grin on his face, and shrugged like it was nothing. (This is where evil Todd grinning on the inside) I said "Go ahead and try a couple more." :biggrin: He touched of the trigger on the second one, and I can't really describe it, but it sure looked like someone hit him with a baseball bat, and he damn near dropped by rifle. :roflmao: His departing words after that second round was "Dude, I'm done and I ain't shooting anymore of those." :roflmao:
:laf: :laf: :laf:
:laf: :laf: I have had similar experiences. I let people at the range try it out and most times they get bit on nose. It's priceless to see the shock on their faces.
I called and they said to send it in. :whew: The guy on the phone said it sounds like something just came loose inside. we'll see if they repair or replace it.
Quote from: alscalls on August 04, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on August 04, 2009, 09:42:12 AM
Bushy, Call Millett (714-842-5575) The Scopes have a lifetime Guarantee, or sent it to them with a letter ( NoReceipt) of what it is doing and they will send you a new one, I dropped one and bent the tube, they replaced it.
Address:
Millett
16131-K Gothard Street
Huntington Beach, CA 92647.
Their site: WWW.MILLETTSIGHTS.COM
They are good scopes and the company will honer the guarantee. cc
Do It.....I have done this many times with several companies......they all seem to want to help ya out....just be honest with them and see what you need for that gun....that round....a muzzle break....even a simms pad.
Some of them even sent me a better scope at no charge to see if it could take it. :eyebrownod:
You were right!! They said that they werew sending me a new buck gold 4-16x56mm, but it is back ordered until the end of september. I told the lady that waiting so long did not sit well with me and she offered another choice of scope. I requested the new buck gold side focus 6-25x56mm scope and she said that there would be a difference of $300. I asked if i could be compensated for my wait by having the difference waived and she put me on hold. After about 5 minutes, she came back and said that they would be happy to!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: Needless to say, I am one happy camper. If you guys are interested in viewing the upgrade, it is the BK30738. I'm no good at posting pictures.
geeeeez, hit em kinda hard didnt ya :laf:
I knew they would help ya out! .........Most folks these days just wont ask........
I am glad your getting it all worked out......but do ya think the scope can take it?
What did they say about the muzzle break?
They didnt remark on the brake as much as the caliber. They didnt say what broke in the scope either. If the new scope doesn't stand up to the .338, i guess i'll just have to upgrade again :eyebrow:
:eyebrownod:
Bushy, Let me know how the new scope checks out as I was looking at that model to put on a 270, Glad to hear that they stood by their warranty. cc
absolutely CC. As soon as i get it.
Just out of curiosity are you planning on hunting chipmunks at 1000yds? :innocentwhistle:
If such opportunity should present itself :innocentwhistle:
Speaking of curiosity, Is there anything that i could line the rings with in an effort to reduce vibration of the scope?
I just hope that elk doesn't show up at 35yds. in the alders! :innocentwhistle:
I don't know of anything that you could use to line the scope rings, to reduce vibration to the scope, that wouldn't also impact the return of the scope to zero. The military may have developed this technology but its not available to the public, to my knowledge. The best solution is the quality of the scope, scopes have been successfully used on rifles that have much more recoil than a 338.
It is not just the recoil that does it......it is the back and fourth whip of the recoil......
Best way I can desribe it is ......take your fishing rod and make a few casts ........then add a 1/4 oz. sinker to the rod tip and cast again .......if you really dont like the rod .....as it may break due to the sudden change when it tries to recoil.... :eyebrownod:
Quote from: bushmaster on September 10, 2009, 01:22:49 PM
If such opportunity should present itself :innocentwhistle:
Speaking of curiosity, Is there anything that i could line the rings with in an effort to reduce vibration of the scope?
yes, there is made a set of turned drill rods that you use to make sure your rings are aliened. Midway USA carries them. You can also use a piece of drill rod the same diameter as your scope and lap the rings. although I have not really heard of lapping helping or hurting accuracy or help a scope handle recoil but I cant see as it hurting any ting to give it a try. It will let your rings grip the tube more uniformly. I know when I get a good uniform grip on my tube it makes me feel pretty good :eyebrow:
Oh yeah one other thing. What kind of mount and ring system have ya got going on? A cheap mount can do some funky things to a scope when it flexes under recoil. Watch a big bore rifle being fired in slow motion. Its actually quite amazing what all bends and flexes. A good mount helps to elimanate that
Scope ring lapping will amaze you. I got my tools a dozen years ago. After I started to lap my first set of rings, I made about ten strokes and then opened the rings and found the only about a third of the ring was making contact and the contact point was not square to the bore of the scope. I then finished lapping and have never had any problems since. I continue to use this method on all my scope rings, even high quality machined rings.
Quote from: Silvertip on September 12, 2009, 12:44:22 AM
Scope ring lapping will amaze you. I got my tools a dozen years ago. After I started to lap my first set of rings, I made about ten strokes and then opened the rings and found the only about a third of the ring was making contact and the contact point was not square to the bore of the scope. I then finished lapping and have never had any problems since. I continue to use this method on all my scope rings, even high quality machined rings.
I like That..... :eyebrownod:
Quote from: slagmaker on September 11, 2009, 11:41:05 PM
Oh yeah one other thing. What kind of mount and ring system have ya got going on? A cheap mount can do some funky things to a scope when it flexes under recoil. Watch a big bore rifle being fired in slow motion. Its actually quite amazing what all bends and flexes. A good mount helps to elimanate that
I have leupold rings and mounts. For what i paid, i sure hope they are of high quality. Badger ordinance just seemed like too much $$$.
Even with what you paid for the mounts you might be surprised by how they are misaligned. If the bases are off just a little or the holes were drilled at just a slight angle you can have a mess. I had one guy years back that I had the holes filled and retapped so that I could get the mounts to line up and get the rings on right.
The lapping tools work well and also the alignment tools.
Jerry
Did you happen to look a tthe mounting marks on the scope. You can usually tell if the rings were off. You'll get uneven marking on the scope. Well fitting rings will leave a compleate circle all the way around.
There were symetrical circles on the tube as far as i could tell. but thats not to say that i was really looking for small differences. Would my gunsmith be likely to have lapping tools?
Quote from: bushmaster on September 18, 2009, 09:52:18 PM
Would my gunsmith be likely to have lapping tools?
I would say most definitely.
are you going to mount the scope yourself or have your gunsmith do it?
If you do it the tools are not all that expensive, set you back maybe 20 bucks for alignment and lapping tools for a 1 inch tube. And there handy to have for the next project.
30mm tube here. I do mount the scope myself unless i happen to be at the gun store before hand. The gunsmith is real cool and helps me out all the time. Although, today i brought my brothers .243 in and bought him a scope. Everyone behind the counter looked at me like i had three heads when i asked for a level to align the scope with.
So really? $20? Who makes the tools and how hard is it?
OK I stand corrected :shrug:. Prices are higher than I rember :holdon: but not by much :doh2:
Go to midwayusa.com and check out product # 187-492 :readthis: this is an entire kit for everything, lapping and alignment both 1"& 30mm sizes. $68.99+ shipping
you might get the price down if ya look around. Diffrent brands, single size and such.
it isnt hard to do at all. very easy, shoot I think even Todd could alinge and lap a set of scope rings :sarcas3:
You can do like me, I made my set. Of course that was when I had access to a tool room. the lapping tool is easy, just a piece of appropiate sized drill rod.
Since we're talking scope mounting, how do you guys get the horizontal crosshair level and aligned with the bore?
I've tried many of the tools available and have found them wanting. I method I now use I do at the range. I have a rifle rest that lets me strap down the rifle after I level it with a bubble level. I hang a plumb bob with orange string at 50 yds., sight thru the scope so that vertical crosshair is near the string, recheck that the rifle is level, and adjust the scope so that the vertical crosshair is parallel to the string.
Quote from: Silvertip on September 20, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
I have a rifle rest that lets me strap down the rifle after I level it with a bubble level.
How do you make sure that your rifle is level in the rest?
Jerry
Thats a bit pricier than i'd like. I know, it's not that much. But i'm really being affected by the times at this point. Not to mention, fatherhood has come upon me :iroll: Perhaps i'll check with the gunsmith on his price but isn't lapping and alignment for the sake of accuracy? If so, i'm shooting a zero group @100yds. If this will aid in preserving scope life, then it will be worth persuing.
Lapping makes the rings uniform so that there is equal pressure around the scope. It keeps the scope from being damaged. The other thing that you also want to check is your scope alignment. This makes the rings square to each other to also prevent scope damage. You can check out the tools here:
http://www.sinclairintl.com/prod_detail_list/s
Jerry
Quote from: Hawks Feather on September 20, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: Silvertip on September 20, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
I have a rifle rest that lets me strap down the rifle after I level it with a bubble level.
How do you make sure that your rifle is level in the rest?
Jerry
I use a machinists level, the rifle only needs to be level a right angles to the bore and line of sight, IE, parallel to the horizontal cross hair. The machinists level can be used on the sight base, action rails, or any horizontal flat surface on the action; this may not be a perfect alignment with the bore but is usually close enough.
Quote from: Silvertip on September 22, 2009, 04:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hawks Feather on September 20, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: Silvertip on September 20, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
I have a rifle rest that lets me strap down the rifle after I level it with a bubble level.
How do you make sure that your rifle is level in the rest?
Jerry
I use a machinists level, the rifle only needs to be level a right angles to the bore and line of sight, IE, parallel to the horizontal cross hair. The machinists level can be used on the sight base, action rails, or any horizontal flat surface on the action; this may not be a perfect alignment with the bore but is usually close enough.
That would work very well. The reason for my question was to clear up anyone's thought that you could level the holder, lay a gun in (without the checks that you just listed), and get scope crosshairs that were straight.
Thanks,
Jerry
Bushy, Have you received the new scope from Millett , If so what do you think of it. CC
SCOPE RECEIVED!!! RINGS LAPPED & ALIGNED!!! SCOPE LEVELED!!! BALLISTIC DATA CHART MADE!!! RIFLE ZEROED!!!
That scope is FLIPPIN' AWESOME :yahoo:
Man i cant even begin to tell you how happy I am with it. Same old zero group @100yds but the fine hairs accompanied by the MIL's are outstanding. The locking turrets are new to me and i certainly like them. It's very easy to compensate with the turrets. But when your in a hunting scenario and time is fleeting, don't worry. The MIL dot's have it under control. It's just a matter of remembering that 1mil=3.6in@100yds and so on and so forth. The dots are very small, which i like. @100yds the bullets holes were FAR bigger than the dots.
The side focus is an excellent concept that did not require me to adjust my shooting position. With the traditional rotating objective, you would have to reach forward and contort yourself in order to focus the sight picture. I however, simply lifted my wrist and focused my picture. Then lowered and tucked my hand back into the butt. (I'm shooting prone) and most important, it has survived being paired with the .338 Win. Mag. (Thus Far)
Five Stars Hands Down :biggrin:
I will post pictures of the rig tomorrow since my grandparents are in town and the whole family is sleeping. I dont want to upset anyone by rummaging around for the camera.
Quote from: bushmaster on October 06, 2009, 12:28:43 AM
SCOPE RECEIVED!!! RINGS LAPPED & ALIGNED!!! SCOPE LEVELED!!! BALLISTIC DATA CHART MADE!!! RIFLE ZEROED!!!
I will post pictures of the rig tomorrow since my grandparents are in town and the whole family is sleeping. I dont want to upset anyone by rummaging around for the camera.
If you rummage around for your camera with the rifle in hand I bet no one will say a thing
And here it is...
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I see you got the pic thing figured out Bushy :yoyo:
Yep, thanks bill. :biggrin:
Good looking Rig!!
Nice looking shooting iron. :yoyo: :highclap:
You say you had the rings aligned and lapped. Just curious. Did you do it yourself or let your smithy handle the scope mounting?
Ol smithy took care of it. I didn't want to take any chances.
Good deal Bushy, Glad to hear that you like the Millett, I have one on my 243 wssm and wish I had the side adjust may have to order one like yours. cc
Well, the F!*#ING scope slid forward a 1/2 in. in the rings. Oh! and did i mention that the rear base just popped right off!!!! This is the 3rd set of leupold rings and bases on this gun and I"M DONEEE!!!!! I have ordered a picatinny long action rail and badger ordnance MAX-50 rings. If this don't work, i'm selling an A-bolt .338 Win Mag