Just thought some of you might be interested in some of the things in the New Health Bill.
ACORN is mentioned in the Health Care Bill, they will be paid to sign up people for the health care plan, wow $$$ they will get paid to do paper work I want that job! Anyway these look scary! Tax, tax, tax!!!! I started to use red but there all crap!! Read and weep
Rob
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: The health Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
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Is this why my phone keeps ringing and the caller ID reads "Health Car" :confused:
Give em my number Jimbo!! They'll only call once!! :yoyo: :yoyo:
I would like to see the list of names that voted for this.Represenitives ,Senators ect...
If California can get a Gov. replaced then we should be able to Change Senators and Reps
This is serious business guys. Call every one of your senators and congressmen and COMPLAIN! Tell them to vote NO! :argh:
Jimbo, the ones calling must be the one's that voted this administration in, good evidence that they can't read or pay attention to whats is going on in this country,
(New Health Care Bill) If I remember correctly most of the votes for this Administration came from above the Mason Dixion line :shrug:, but like Semp said this is serious business and good proof that NOBAMA and his goons will say anything, lying to the public about what's in this Health CARE reform Bill, its about time for Americans to wake up and get these SOB's out of office. My tcw. cc :argh:
I have called & written to my "representatives".
Good Deal HalmeR, I contacted mine today also.cc
I even wrote the dumb a$$ in that big white house we pay for.......... :eyebrownod:
Hi,
I'm new to this forum and I apologize in advance if I insult anyone with this post, but I thought that pointing out some inaccuracies in Carolina Coyote's original post is the responsible thing to do here. I know I'm in the minority in this forum, but I assure you, I am in majority in the country, as anyone who watches something other than Fox news can tell you: we need healthcare reform.
And I really had to laugh when I found out that this is actually a chain email going around, and that there are websites out there that debunk the whole thing. But I wanted to read the thing myself and come to my own conclusions.
Where to begin? I have not read the whole bill, and I haven't even gotten all the way through Carolina's post yet, but I've found that most facts are misrepresented or completely made up. And I'm only up to page 250 of the 1018 page bill, found here: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf (http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf). So here we go.
First off, ACORN is NOT mentioned anywhere in the document. You can search for ACORN or for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and nothing comes up.
I'm just going to touch on some major points:
Page 22: There's no mention of an audit for those who self-insure, it mentions a survey to see what kinds of plans people are going for.
Page 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will not decide each individuals' health benefits (the mere premise is ridiculous- 1 commissioner for all 300 million of us?), but the Commissioner and a panel will come up with all the plans.
Page 50: I'm kind of lost ... there's no mention of non-citizens in here, just a non-discrimination clause, saying they can't use mental health or genetic conditions to deny care.
Page 58: Again, I see no direct mention of a National ID Healthcard, but is this really so bad? Don't Insurance companies already give out cards? Oh wait. They do.
Page 59: There will be an option to pay your healthcare-related expenses by direct deposit/electronic fund transfer, there's nothing about the government taking your money.
Page 72: Yes, all Healthcare providers need to follow rules so there will be a level playing field.
Page 84: Only private healthcare companies who WANT to be part of the govt's healthcare exchange need to participate.
Page 91: Let's face it, there are lots of people who don't speak English as well as the should, both legal and illegal.
Page 95: The Health Commissioner will arrange an outreach campaign, for "vulnerable populations" (poor people, children, the elderly). ACORN? Nowhere to be found.
Page 102: Yes, if you are not enrolled in the Govt's exchange program, you will be enrolled in Medicaid. Free healthcare... those bastards!
Page 124: Nothing about suing the gov't here... just that the gov't can change prices of its benefits to make them more competitive.
127: The gov't will set wages for doctors who participate in the exchange only.
145: Out-right lie. In page 148 (lines 3-11) it says that employees may opt-out of the plan.
126 (sic): This is actually in page 146, and it says that the rates for part-time employees are determined by the hours the employee works.
149: True, but that's because the employer would have opted not to offer health insurance benefits to employees (so it's a penalty).
150: See 149.
167: Also true. Why is everyone so opposed to having health care?
170: Not true. Illegal aliens actually are not covered by any plans.
195: This is not quite true either: it says the gov't employees will have access to any data required to consider eligibility. It's not like they're going to go in an steal all your information. Not like the IRS doesn't already have it all...
203: If you read the rest of the sentence: "...for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55." Meaning that you can include what you paid in taxes when determining whether you're eligible for credits.
241: Nothing about payment to doctors... Just adds a couple of "service categories" to the existing bill.
I'm tired now. I'm only one quarter of the way into it, as you can see. Don't be taken in by these lies, go read the bill yourself if you have any questions. There are any number of legit websites that break it down for you.
One more point: Page 489: Why is covering marriage and family therapy considered "intervening"? If a healthcare company pays for OB/GYN care, does it mean that they're intervening in your sex life? Ridiculous!
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Health care reform. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
It's the dipwads way of creating a health care monopoly. He feels the need for competition to settle the rising costs yet he proposes that the federal gubment becomes the competition. :shck: Which means the gubment can then make the laws so only they can afford to play by the rules effectively eliminating any competition from the insurance companies. I might be a little older than most of the "followers" but I still remember the federal gubment outlawing monopolies. Unless of course they are the ones creating it apparently. :shrug:
As far as you hurting my feelings,, trust me on this one,, I have no good feelings toward your new messiah or any of his followers. I am not for a socialist or fascist type of government. And I'm certainly NOT for his "Spreading the waelth" campaign. I worked for what little I have now & I'm damn tired of giving 1/3 of it away to welfare & rejects that are too lazy to work. And now you want me to give more. Nope!! :rolleye:
BTW-- IF I hurt anybodies feelings with this post,,,, well,,, :confused: :wo: too bad. :eyebrownod:
Glen,
I appreciate your civility, it's more than I expected based on my previous interactions in forums like this one. I understand if you're sore from our current president's election, I can't think of a recent president who so many people had such a deep hatred for. Though he IS our president, he is no messiah, nobody has called him that except for the hateful red-wingers. And nobody who knows what socialism or fascism really are would make claims that this is where we're heading. Despite what the naysayers say (pardon the redundancy), our country was headed for a cliff and now it seems as though we may come out alright. And that's not thanks to our previous administration.
But back to the topic at hand-- I know the current health care bill is in no way perfect. But at least it's going to give all 40 million of the un-insured (I used to be one less than a year ago) an option. Countries which have government-ran healthcare top the lists when it comes to healthy citizens, and the US is usually somewhere at the bottom. Why? because an overweight person can't get insured for less than $1,500 a month; if you have a pre-existing condition, forget about it.
This is not about you, or taking your money away, it's about everyone else in the country, those who have less than you. So let's say that the gov't does set prices, and private health insurers do have to cut their rates. Are you insured? your premiums would probably drop. If you're not, you'd probably be able to actually afford insurance. The healthcare industry's business is not to provide care, because they lose money that way. They're in it to sign you up, take your money, and then deny care to you. I've no sympathy at all.
I've ranted on for long enough. Patriotism is not just about waiving flags and hating immigrants. It's about pulling together even sacrificing for the good of the whole. Those freeloaders you talk about? I'd rather the government spend my money on them than on subsidizing oil companies or tapping my phone. Though only barely.
--GC
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
Where to begin? I have not read the whole bill,
Thats the problem, the lawmakers who are voting to change our lives forever have NOT read the bill either!!
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
But at least it's going to give all 40 million of the un-insured (I used to be one less than a year ago) an option.
--GC
Bogus number! It gives about 5 million health insurance and penalizes the rest of us 295 million. But who's counting?
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
It's about pulling together even sacrificing for the good of the whole.
--GC
That is the definition of socialism, thank you for pointing that out. Sacrifice for the good of the whole. The individual does not count. Heil, Obama!
Obama is a modern day NAZI. Socialist through and through.
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
It's about pulling together even sacrificing for the good of the whole.
--GC
Heil HITLER!!! Hitler said the same kind of propaganda, but we all know he was in it for himself. Obama is same same.
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
Despite what the naysayers say (pardon the redundancy), our country was headed for a cliff and now it seems as though we may come out alright. And that's not thanks to our previous administration.
--GC
The previous administration you are talking about here is the Clinton administration.Right?
Yeah thats what I thought.
You know the one that set NAFTA in motion opened up our boarders and told the big lending compianies to lend money to folks who couldn't afford it.That is where this down fall started.
Obama administration has doubled the national debt in the first 6 months in office.
The only reason unemployment is going down is cause the benifiets are running outnot cause folks are going back to work .
OK then. At what point does YOUR president get off his deadbeat welfare never held a job ass & bring American jobs back to this country to support all this "FREE" health care for the masses?? The way I see it this is about ME. Not you or the un-insured but ME. I will be supporting this mega welfare case for those that don't want to work. As for the healthier citizens in other countries the thing I've noticed most is that our people that are already on the "FREE" gubment health care plan,, welfare,, are healthier than those of us that go to work every day & stress over when our jobs are being sent overseas. I will agree that bush in his 2nd term was purdy much useless when it came to bringing back our jobs too & I was very disappointed in his 2nd term but,,, at least he wasn't trying to shove a global welfare system down our throats. And the biggest bitch is that this plan isn't good enough for the elected officials!! They will have their own plan!! Talk about hypocrisy!! If it's good enough for the voters then it should be plenty good for the elected.
So don't tell me it's not about me because it is. It is about me & every person you've started this argument with on our hunting boards. Without the hard working people that frequent these types of boards there can not be a "FREE" health care system. Tell YOUR president to get off his ass & bring jobs back. He won't return my emails!!
Read Bopeye, Bill & Semp's posts carefully.
Wow! The level of discourse dropped like Bush's approval rating!
As usual, all hate, no substance. The sooner you all accept that this is YOUR president too and you're stuck with him whether you like it or not, the better off we will all be. You want a different health plan? go out and talk to your elected officials, don't just sit here and call them names. And I mean actually talk, not just going out and yelling like all those idiots have been doing at town hall meetings. What's the point of sitting there yelling?
I just came here to say that the original post was all lies. Nobody has refuted that. Hmmm.
Well Well Well, GC whoever you are, you going to report this post to Whitehouse, I think you must be an ACORN member, I think you people will go to any extent to spread your lies, If I remember correctly the economy started going downhill after the Democrats won the majority in the House and the Senate and anyone with any common sense knows you can't borrow yourself out of dept, so whats your real name Mohammad? cc
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 06:36:50 PM
Wow! The level of discourse dropped like Bush's approval rating!
As usual, all hate, no substance. The sooner you all accept that this is YOUR president too and you're stuck with him whether you like it or not, the better off we will all be. You want a different health plan? go out and talk to your elected officials, don't just sit here and call them names. And I mean actually talk, not just going out and yelling like all those idiots have been doing at town hall meetings. What's the point of sitting there yelling?
I just came here to say that the original post was all lies. Nobody has refuted that. Hmmm.
Just keep this in mind liberal numb nutt. It's us, the yelling, God loving, gun toting, hard working, people that are paying the taxes that will fund all that shit!!! Every damn thing the government runs goes bankrupt. How come social security is going bankrupt. I'll give you just a little while and then I'll tell ya. :laf: Have you ever heard of a President firing a CEO of a major company? Hell no. That's socialism.
You ever hear of a president going for global tax funded abortion? Hell no.
You ever see a President of the United States bow to a foreign king, especially a muslim one? Hell no.
Why is he apologizing for me and my fellow americans? All we are guilty of is liberating millions of people over the last 100 years. What the hell do we have to be sorry about? The whole damn continent of western Europe would be speaking German if we hadn't intervened and now we apologize? That's pure bullshit!!!
Why does "your" president say we are no longer a Christian Nation? He know something I don't about our predominant religion? Muslim pig.
Why does "your" president want a private police force that is as strong as the military? That's been tried. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and it just doesn't work out to well for the common, everyday man. :argh:
Also, don't count out all that yelling. We aren't going to Tea Parties, Friends of the NRA, Town Hall meetings, etc. for no reason. We are friggin organizing. The same thing happened in the 1770's and look what happened to the most powerful army and navy in the world. They got their asses handed to them. :eyebrownod:
There's a reason all the bullets and guns are hard to find right now. We are preparing.
There's a reason that Obama has triple the security of any other president in history. He needs it.
You didn't see this much hell being raised during the Bush Administration, so what is happening? I'll tell ya. The revolution baby.
I'll keep my god, guns and money and you can keep the "CHANGE"!!!
I aint be hatin nuthin nor nobody. Except the ones that are trying to take away what I've worked for. How can you or anybody else justify real time access to MY bank accounts? Do you have that much money that you don't give a damn if they come in & take your next house payment without asking? Well I sure as hell do because the not so white house has been paid for for years & now they want to take me house payment again!! Where do I go when I get kicked out due to the 50% taxes from my pay check.
Other than the obvious above statements the only other reason I can see for you pawns to vote for your hitler is that you've never had to work for anything. It's always been given to you. Mom I want!! Dad I need!! When I wanted something I mowed grass or raked leaves. I used to shovel driveways & walkways for money in the winter. Now I do it for free for the elderly because they've paid their dues to this Nation & it's time I stood up & helped them with whatever I can. I guess if you're young & have never had to work for anything then you obviously wouldn't have anything to lose. Well I do & that pisses me off. This is nothing more than global welfare. These sunsabitches want us to have nothing,, except "FREE" gealth care :doh2:,, while they have everything. Two social classes does not nor will it ever be a democracy or a free Nation.
And speaking of approval ratings I seen where your new messiah is down to 55%. I guess the disciples didn't like the Red Kool Aid after all. And to top this all off you come to a hunting board where the real Americans come to relax after work,, well those that are lucky enough right now to have a job,, & try to spew the filth & lies of the kenyan kamikaze. And I wouldn't mind an answer to one of my questions if you're still around.
Quote:readthis: At what point does YOUR president get off his deadbeat welfare never held a job ass & bring American jobs back to this country to support all this "FREE" health care for the masses??
You see he's not interested in creating or bringing back jobs. All he wants is a socialist society with himself in charge. Well guess what,, Americans are the greediest sumbitches on this Planet & I guarantee you Brutus will strike again. I just hope I'm alive to celebrate when he does. :yoyo: :yoyo:
Rep. Shadegg: Obama Misleads on Healthcare
Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:01 PM
By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size
President Barack Obama has been making misleading claims about his healthcare proposals, Rep. John Shadegg, an Arizona Republican, tells Newsmax.
Shadegg, a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, notes that Obama said in his speech on healthcare reform that the legislation he and congressional Democrats propose �will keep government out of healthcare decisions,� and Americans will have �the option to keep your insurance if you�re happy with it.�
In fact, Shadegg says the House bill �inserts the federal government and federal bureaucrats in virtually every healthcare decision in America. And, under the clear terms of the bill, you will not be able to keep your current plan, whether you like it or not.�
Shadegg sees the House bill as a �massive takeover of every aspect of healthcare.� The legislation �empowers bureaucrats to make virtually every decision,� he says. �It creates a new healthcare advisory commission, a new healthcare benefits board. It creates a new commissioner who would have powers just short of the powers of the president.
It dictates what must be contained in every policy in America, down to what they must cover, what appeals process it must have, all the way down to how insurance firms must advertise in a manner acceptable to the federal government. It is a massive federal government takeover where bureaucrats and the government will be involved in every healthcare decision.�
As for Obama�s claim that Americans can keep their present insurance if they wish, given the requirement imposed on private plans by the House bill, �That simply again is flat false,� Shadegg says. �The House bill sets forth all these standards that every plan in America must meet within five years,� he says. �It sets forth the minimum essential benefits; it sets forth the coverage standards; it sets forth what things must be covered. But it also says this new board not yet created shall prescribe even more of the requirements that the plan must meet.
�No plan currently in existence in America could possibly already meet all of those standards. Therefore, after five years, no plan that exists today will continue to exist. And as a result of that, the notion that if you have a plan you like you can keep it, is simply wrong.�
Shadegg says it�s clear that Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi aim to nationalize healthcare in America in order to make Americans more dependent on the government and therefore on Democrats, who espouse more government control and handouts.
�I think their proposal is designed to centralize power here, create government control, and create dependency by the populace on government-provided healthcare,� Shadegg says. �They contend they can do that and cover all Americans while bringing down costs.
"It�s pretty obvious that they can�t, and thank goodness the congressional budget office has been pretty candid and straightforward in saying no.
�This is not going to bring down costs, it�s going to increase the cost burden on the United States federal government and on all providers.�
Republicans agree that �no American should be forced into bankruptcy as a result of a health condition,� Shadegg says. �It�s important to understand that this nation pretty much has already made a decision that we don�t want anybody doing without healthcare. No one in your reading audience got to work this morning driving past somebody with a broken leg dragging it down the street because they couldn�t get it cared for.�
In fact, Shadegg says, it was Republicans and President George Bush who four years ago enacted a bill that encouraged states to form pools for high-risk patients, so they would not be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
While Republicans support healthcare reform, �We don�t believe in throwing out the good with the bad,� Shadegg says. �There are lots of good things in the American healthcare system. It clearly produces excellence.
�Indeed, cancer survival rates are better in the United States than in Canada, Europe, or England. They�re dramatically better for prostate cancer, they�re dramatically better for breast cancer, than in any of those countries. So why would we want to go to that kind of a system?�
Instead of government control, �Republicans favor a patient-choice-driven system that empowers individuals, enables them to control their own healthcare, and would let every American pick a plan of their choosing, whether they choose their employer�s plan or they choose some other plan,� Shadegg says.
He adds, �We want to give more pooling mechanisms so they have more places to choose from and give individual Americans control of their healthcare coverage, as they�re in control of their auto insurance or their homeowner�s insurance or their renter�s insurance or their life insurance.�
Behind the Democrats� approach is the fact that �the left does not trust people to take care of their own lives,� Shadegg says. �The left simply doesn�t believe that people know how to make good decisions for themselves, and so they want to create care for people that is run by the smart people � federal bureaucrats.
"The reality is, the best healthcare system in the world is a healthcare system where your doctor and you are empowered to make appropriate decisions for yourself with knowledge, but unfettered by some government bureaucrat saying this is the right treatment for you, and oh by the way, you can�t have this treatment, this treatment, or this treatment.�
Bolding & red hilites were by me( HaMeR aka Glen Shaffer). Read the last paragraph. It is very obvious to the real Americans on this board but I thought I would give it extra special attention. :wink:
Forgot to add this.
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I have three bad disc's in my back. A knee cap torn in two. and this past year have come down with the gout. Almost forgot about the major depression due to NAFTA and my job being shipped to Mexico, no matter who passeed the damned thing. All of this and the government says I can't have the disability I have paid for all of my working life. It's my money but can't have it back :rolleye:
And you believe these people have the right to form a commity with the ability to check into your bank account to say what health care plan you qualify for. No damn thanks, I have already had a federal judge change the contract we worked for that said we did not have to pay for insurance after retirement to one that takes money up front from the small pension I got for many years of service to t company that moved my job to mexico.
As a citizen of this nation I do not have to accept the regime in power at this time. I have the right to opose this fool at any time I wish and within a few years will vote to throw his fanny out of office. Jimmie
I think ya'll scared gcas away or he went to round up an army
just like all the Obama lovers
I figure he went to ask permission about what Questions he can answer and how to answer them
I think (gcas) Mr. ACORN, just got FINNED with all the FUR flying, Way to go guys. :highclap: :yoyo: cc
Quote from: gcas on August 10, 2009, 06:36:50 PM
Wow! The level of discourse dropped like Bush's approval rating!
As usual, all hate, no substance. The sooner you all accept that this is YOUR president too and you're stuck with him whether you like it or not, the better off we will all be. You want a different health plan? go out and talk to your elected officials, don't just sit here and call them names. And I mean actually talk, not just going out and yelling like all those idiots have been doing at town hall meetings. What's the point of sitting there yelling?
I just came here to say that the original post was all lies. Nobody has refuted that. Hmmm.
I write and call them every day and I DID NOT VOTE for that stupid smbitch and I will not rest till he is out of office!
You do not know everyone here you just came here to start $hit ......Go back to the corner you were cowering in or stay and get to know what your talking about before ya run your mouth.
If I had a JOB then maybe I could believe heath care could be affordable.....There are Many thousands of folks here in WV that can not get a job because Wal mart and K mart are all full........ :shrug:
I just came here to say if you were involved at all in this board......you would have more respect for the good folks on it!
You are not so PI$$ OFF!
This is typical of the way they operate. They only believe in 1/2 of the 1st Amendment. That would be the 1/2 where they get to speak then when it's time to listen they walk away so nobody can exercise their 1/2 of the 1st Amendment. Seems we do need some CHANGE in this Nation.
#1-- Term limits on EVERY elected official on EVERY level of government.
#2-- A new Amendment to the Constitution that says "Since you have spoken your mind & somebody listened,, then it's now time to shut up & listen to what your audience has to say."
#3-- Drug testing for every American citizen to recieve their monthly checks. After all,, most of the work force,, or what is left of it,, has to undergo drug screening to earn that money for those people.
#4-- From now on every able bodied American that is on welfare will be counted in the Nations unemployment rate. That should scare the hell out of anybody that wants to loan us money.
#5-- Instead of Gold being the backer to our currency lets try an honest approach for a change. Lets tell the World our money is backed by yours truly,, the working stiff. It's obvious that when jobs are abundant our money is stronger. Unlike right now when unemployment is as high as it is.
Here's a lesson on Social Security. Ya reckon the health plan will be any better?
Your Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
completely voluntary.
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
incomes into the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the
Independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
General Operating Fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
would never be taxed as income.
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the federal government to 'put
away', you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which political party took Social Security from the
Independent 'Trust Fund' and put it in to the
General Fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-
controlled House and Senate..
Q: Which political party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which political party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.
Q: Which political party decided to start giving
annuity payments to immigrants?
AND MY FAVORITE:
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
they began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them
even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens believe it!
Gcas ran out of gas he must be tired of defending HIS President
and the DUMBacraptic ways.I am sure he will be back with more lies and defending this health care bill once he gets his lies straight :laf:
Bop you are so right and right now we have Democratic controlled government that is trying to move this country into socialism and taking away our Freedom, invading our privacy, The (gcas) guy that made the post defending the Health Care plan is more than likely a ACORN member paid to scan the Internet for dissent , if so,that is illegal :rolleye: . Has anyone seen him post on any other forums? I was glad to see the Members on this forum saw what he was up to and called his hand.
I have a question and would like comments from several members. ( Do any of you feel its inappropriate to discuss Politics on this forum ?) cc
GCAS BY THE WAY STANDS FOR ( GRANTS CONTRACTS ACCOUNTING SERVICES) A GOVERNMENT AGENCY
I feel kinda bad that I allowed the little turd burglar to drag me down to his level but it also felt good to say what I did in those posts. I felt a little uncomfortable in that I know some folks here,, my Friends,, don't like to mix politics with hunting on their escape boards but on the other hand we need to keep abreast of everything as well.
Quote from: Carolina Coyote on August 11, 2009, 04:54:13 PM
I have a question and would like comments from several members. ( Do any of you feel its inappropriate to discuss Politics on this forum ?) cc
Dang, now that's a tough question. I guess my answer is yes and no.
Do I think what that little troll did is appropriate? No, but I believe he has the right to speak freely if it's his thoughts and not someone else pulling his strings.
Yes, because if we aren't talking about it and expressing the feelings of gunowners, then our younguns won't know what to believe.
They are bombarded at school, radio, t.v. and everything else about how great Obama is, especially the media save for FOX.
Here we can let them know that liberals are only liberal if you are far left. They are very narrow and closeminded to any others.
They villify Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Rush, Hannity and many others. Those people just happen to share my views.
Do I want to make enemies on this board with my friends? No I don't, but spirited discussion can be healthy at times.
My son and daughter are both being trained by me to think for themselves, but to remember where they came from. We work for our money, we don't take handouts.
We respect folks, but don't take trash from any of them.
They are no better than anyone, but nobody is better than them either. We are all created equal.
Being radical for the sake of being radical is horse dung, but fight with everything in you for something you believe in.
NEVER, EVER bow to anyone but GOD.
Very well put Bop
If we wouldn't be discussing politics here we would be talking BS about something else
He does have the right.......but he should have the cahoonies to stick around for the rest of it......
I like what ya said Bop.
If you folks are watching the news there sure are alot of folks upset about this health care plan
Fighting and protesting at town hall meetings :yoyo:
Senators being asked questions they can't answer.This is getting good
Obama says this is great atleast we are discussing things :rolleye:
Thanks Bop!! :yoyo:
Hey Bopeye
http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp
gcas did say one thing that is very VERY true.
Countries which have government-ran healthcare top the lists when it comes to healthy citizens
Because they're citizens are too damn scared to get sick
Quote from: THO Game Calls on August 12, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Countries which have government-ran healthcare top the lists when it comes to healthy citizens
Because they're citizens are too damn scared to get sick
You said a mouthful there THO. I got a video I'm going to post soon. Talking about using formulas to decide how much treatment the elderly should get. It is very good monetarily to cut them loose, according to this formula anyway. The problem is, what if it's your mom or wife?
Will you give a rat's butt about what is a good cost cutting idea then? :noway:
Quotewhat if it's your mom or wife?
Will you give a rat's butt about what is a good cost cutting idea then? :noway:
That is the selfishness among those people. They don't care about anybody but themselves. The only upside,, there really isn't any upside :rolleye:,, is that they get put to sleep when they get that age. :yoyo:
Anyone here remember the movie Logan's Run?
Obama Care - at it's finest :roflmao:
:roflmao:
I was thinking his plan is more like the movie "Misery". :roflmao: :roflmao:
Or "Deliverance"!!! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I am glad to see that some of you do not think it is Inappropriate to discuss politics on this site, My feelings are its more inappropriate to not speak out of what is going on in our country, its good to see the silent majority speaking out as the Democrats are trying to put a different spin on the Health Care plan now , they are getting a good dose of their own medicine, As some of you mention The CGAS guy does have a right to speak out if that his his own thoughts, but if you watch the news, his comments are the same rhetoric that this Administration is putting out and if this was coming from the Whitehouse or if he is a paid ACORN volunteer it is illegal invasion of privacy by the Government and there are investigations of that right now by some of the news media, I hope a lot of what is going on is a good wakeup call to the people sitting on the fence and will either get on one side or the other. A lot of our Freedom is in jeopardy with this Administration and if we don't speak up and put the right people in Government our children and Grandchildren will suffer the consequence. cc
Well Put CC ...........I agree 300% with ya Never give up! :yoyo: :yoyo:
One of the problems with the number of uninsured is the illegals are counted in with it. If you subtract the illegals the number will fall by at least twenty million. Although "they" say illegals will not be eligible unless they include a statement that in effect says "Only US Citizens and those here legally will be eligible for insurance - proof of citizenship is required" you can bet your last dollar illegals will be eligible. So in reality the working class will not only be paying for health care of the lazy but those that are here illegally also. There are already a number of border hospitals and clinics that had to close their doors because of the number of non-paying illegals. If this bill is passed our health care as we know it will be in great jeopardy.
Insuring the lazy is bad enough. Insuring the illegals will drain this country of every penny inside of 10 years. It will be financially impossible for the few people that are left working to raise their families whilst the gubment is jacking them for 50%+ in taxes to cover the "FREE" health care system.
I couldn't agree more with you on your comments CC. :yoyo: :yoyo:
"Insuring the lazy is bad enough. Insuring the illegals will drain this country of every penny inside of 10 years."
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Hammer,
The illegal's would not be included in the Obama plan , but then they already receive free health care in America so they don't need health Insurance. According to Fox news, Obama has given up on trying to pass his insane Obama care plan now. The voice of the American people has brought him down on this one. That is the way I understand it anyhoo.
I certainly hope you are correct Rich!! :yoyo:
Rich - I hope you are correct on this, on both accounts but fear your not. Obamacare is still alive and you can bet your last dollar if approved will also cover those here illegally unless specifically denied in the bill. By the way those here illegally will also be counted in the upcoming cenus count.
I was wrong about Obama giving up. The evil sucker is still hammering away and refusing to consider a bill that doesn't include what he likes to call a "public option". There will be no "option" in any bill that he signs. No, the illegal alien's will not be covered in the Obama care bill. The illegals already get everything free.
The only free medical care they get here is in the emergency room. Our laws are written so than no one can be denied emergency care regardless if they can afford it or not. That is one of the reasons it takes so long to get emergency room care, the illegals are using it for any medical condition, from common colds to broken bones. If Obama and the democrats in congress get their way the "public option" will include everyone that wants it, to include illegals. A provision must be written into it to preclude such from happening. If not written into the bill I would be willing to bet that illegals will be covered - at our expense. Another ploy that they use is that a pregnant women will enter illegally have her child in the US, at our expense, her child then becomes a US citizen and eligible for all social service programs. We have become the laughing stock of the Mexican government.