Big problems Remmy Mdl seven

[nailbender]

  As I said it's a Rem mdl seven 223.  I've had this to the gunshop/smith several times. When I bought it there was still factory grease on the back of the bolt so very little use. 
  The problem, Hangfire,  you pull the trigger and hear Click, 5-20 seconds later the round fires!  Very dangerous and cost me some fur already last year.
   Bagged a fox today with it but had to hold on target for a long time, offhand. Even pulled the trigger again! Had to be 20 seconds before the round fired.  Anybody got any ideas??

[alscalls]

I have seen guns where the grease got old and no one bothered to clean it out cause it looked good to them.......it gets hard and can cause this. First thing I would do is a complete tear down and clean even the good grease off too much grease is a bad thing. this should allow you to see if there is any damaged parts. Check the firing pin, spring and all the trigger/hammer parts for wear. Look / call around and see if you can get a schematic on this gun so you know what should be there....you never know when a shade tree gunsmith has changed some parts or modified them unless you check it yourself. find out the recomended lube and use it during re-assembly...you may find it simpler than you think...I hope this helps ya.

[alscalls]

Also I hope ya aint shooting real old reloads or something.........

[coyotehunter_1]

Look / call around and see if you can get a schematic on this gun...

Here ya' go... just happened to have one in my pocket 

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=0860z7


Edit: Bender, by any chance does your rifle have one of the bolt lock systems? Remington used then for some time, if so, there will be a small hole on the left side of the bolt shroud where a special key goes. 

[FinsnFur]

How'd you get that thing in your pocket without wrinkling it?

[slagmaker]

He wears them there baggy pants Jim. Got over sized pockets.

[Hawks Feather]

How'd you get that thing in your pocket without wrinkling it?

Like another thing that comes out of men's pants - a couple of stokes and it straightens right out.  

Jerry

[alscalls]

Thanks Chet........ :roflmao:@ Hawks feather
Looks like an easy one.........I hope
Let us know what you find....Pics would help

[KySongDog]

My guess is there's old grease, gunk in the firing pin channel.  Its slowing down the firing pin.  Like others have said, take everything apart and clean thoroughly.  Don't use any grease.  I use CLP Breakfree.  Take a good look at the sear for any burrs, etc.

But if the problem was that simple, one would think that the gunsmith you are using would've solved it already.   

[Yotehntr]

I think you need to dissasemble the bolt and check the firing pin for burr's. If you don't find any burr or foreign material.  I'd suspect sear trouble with the trigger group. Here's a link to adjust the trigger http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html If that doesn't fix it I'd be hunting a good gun smith.

[KySongDog]

Very good link, yotehntr.  Thanks for posting that. 

[nailbender]

  Bolt grease was my first suspicion too. I took the bolt to the shop and had it stripped and cleaned.  Problem persisted. Took gun in and 'smith said the sear was out of adjustment upon inspection. Fired it a few times and semed to be fixed.  Now the problem shows up again.  'Smith has passed away.  Guess we'll tear it down again. Otherwise send it to remington. Don't need a sporty flintlock.

[vvarmitr]

If you are getting a "click" when you are shooting & then the hang fire then it ain't the gun, it's the ammo!  

The problem, Hangfire,  you pull the trigger and hear Click, 5-20 seconds later the round fires!

Now if you're shooting & have to wait 5-20secs to have it fire then it's the gun.

I'd be raising some hell w/ who ever made that ammo! 
Get rid of it.

[Yotehntr]

Very good link, 

Thanks Semp, I only change the "trigger pull" one myself. The sear and over travel are usually good. I usually set my hunting guns at about 3 lbs. I  swear it sounds like your gun smith has the sear to tight or it could be damaged, that pretty scarey. You can buy a new trigger for about $80 http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=523226 I bought one years ago....crap just realized I have a Remington trigger in my tool box. Send me a PM with your mailing address and I'll give it to you. That guns to dangerous to use, I'd be happy to give this to you.

[Hawks Feather]

"I bought one years ago....crap just realized I have a Remington trigger in my tool box. Send me a PM with your mailing address and I'll give it to you. That guns to dangerous to use, I'd be happy to give this to you."


Now there is the best way to find out if it is a trigger problem or not.

Jerry

[nailbender]

  The sub-zero temps seem to be the problem.  Stripped the bolt and cleaned it.  Have to wait a day for temps to dive and see.

[nailbender]

 A little bit of factory grease/gunk in the trigger cleaned out. And a 1/4 turn out on the over travel screw seems to have fixed the problem. Set the rifle outside overnight in the subzero temps and it works now. More testing is in order, for safety's sake, but I am confident in the outcome.   Now, back to  shoveling snow. Bah Humbug!
   Thanks for all the help,  Dave

[Yotehntr]

Glad you got 'er fixed up!

[alscalls]

 

[KySongDog]

I forgot about the over travel screw.  Seems I remember having a problem with that on a Springfield .45 once.   

Glad you got it fixed!