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coyote101 · August 18, 2008, 06:23:03 PM

QuoteHow many pellets are in each round? Vs how many in your circle?

Fifty .20 caliber pellets per round, with three in the black at both 50 and 60 yards. I suppose three .20 cal. holes will do the job, but I was expecting a little tighter pattern. Of course if the point of aim is the chest, a couple of pellets are likely to hit the head and neck also. I just don't know that I'd be comfortable with this at the advertised seventy yards.

Pat

alscalls · August 18, 2008, 09:55:22 PM

I would definetly write the company on this one.........I would question this as well.......dang I know I have shot coon at 50 yds. with the old hevi shot #6's 3inch and just slammed em but this is unusual to me and 3 outa fifty in the black?......questionable to say the least however throw in a full size coyote and shoot it......... I figure he could be dead. I would just want him real dead instead.

Rich · August 18, 2008, 10:53:55 PM

Here is a pattern I shot with my Browning BPS "Game gun", just for comparison. Choke was a Kicks "Buck kicker" X-full, which is marked .690. My Browning is not back bored, so the bore is about .730.

coyote101 · August 19, 2008, 06:47:32 AM

Quote from: Rich on August 18, 2008, 10:53:55 PM

Rich,

That's the kind of pattern I had hoped for at a little greater distance. I started shooting at 50 yards because those shells are so expensive, and this is advertised as a seventy yard choke/load combo. That might just be a tad unrealistic.

Pat

Rich · August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM

coyote101,

Yes they do advertise that Dead coyote tube to be a 70 yard whiz bang, and I have seen a few posts on other boards by people who claim astounding results with it. My own experience has been very much different. My patterns with that .660 tube were very bad, and I feel like I threw my money down the toilet. I hope that Carlson's have woke up by now, and maybe matching their choke constriction to bore size of individual shotguns. I realize that every shotgun is an individual, and therefore has it's own load/choke preference, so I haven't said anything about my disappointment until now. Reading your posts here made me realize that I am not alone on this subject. My new Beretta Extema2 is advertised as having inside bore diameter of .733, but bore diameter will vary from gun to gun. Since my barrel is with my Smith for installation of a center bead on the rib anyway, I think I will have him measure my bore diameter also. Knowing the true bore diameter can shorten a guys search for correct choke to buy. I am having good luck with chokes from Kicks Industries and Comp-n-choke myself. These companies do not recommend shooting hevi shot through tight chokes, but I think it is because of liability issues. I don't expect a 70 yard sure kill range on coyotes with ANY shotgun unless I am shooting slugs, but I hope to wring out a 60 yard killer before I'm done.

vvarmitr · August 19, 2008, 10:06:39 AM

Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
Yes they do advertise that Dead coyote tube to be a 70 yard whiz bang,

Do you mean the Dead Coyote Choke Tube or the Dead Coyote Hevi-shot?

I've heard it said that the "T" size Hevi-shot can give terminal performance at 70yds. Now if it was #4buck size (.240) Hevi-shot I'd be a lot more comfortable w/ that claim. I'm not aware that they make it in that size yet.

For a choke tube company to say that their choke is good out to 70yds doesn't make any sense (to me). How do they know what load you're shooting, the length of your barrel, & other variables.

Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
I hope that Carlson's have woke up by now, and maybe matching their choke constriction to bore size of individual shotguns.

I would think they have already done this, but I may be wrong cause of assuming. Whenever you go out to buy a choke tube you have to buy the right one listed for your brand of gun. Gun manufacturers make their barrels to tolerences w/i their specs. It would be dumb not to take this into consideration as a choke tube manufacturer.

Quote from: Rich on August 19, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
I realize that every shotgun is an individual, and therefore has it's own load/choke preference,

Amen! Shotguns have load preferences just like rifles & pistols. It's a real pain to find out that your turkey gun loves to shoot 1oz loads of #8s ImpCly... unless you love to Dove hunt.

If you can't understand what I wrote just skip it & pretend its not here. Then again you may have already done that.

Dan Carey · August 19, 2008, 11:00:27 AM

Actually I thought you wrote it rather well. concise and informative.

Rich · August 19, 2008, 12:19:01 PM

vvarminter,

Here is a quote from Carlson's site.

For use with Hevi-Shot, Bismuth or lead, this high performance choke tube has been specifically designed for the coyote hunter to deliver devastating downrange patterns upwards of 70 yards when shooting larger shot sizes. Produces very dense patterns when ultilizing T and Buckshot loads. Great for waterfowl and predator hunting.
NOT FOR USE WITH STEEL SHOT
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I used Hevi-shot "dead coyote" fodder in 3" length when I tried it out of my Browning. The tube is Carlson's Dead coyote, and is marked .660. That thing threw T shot all over the board, even at 20 yards. Anyone who wants to come over to my house after it, can have it for free.

Rich · August 19, 2008, 12:34:57 PM

The following photo is blurry, but I think you can see the holes. This is a 50 yard pattern when using a Kicks Buck Kicker X-full tube, which is a .690. The fodder was Hevi shot 3" Dead coyote. This was out of my Browning, which takes standard Invector/Win-Choke tubes. The bore is a nominal .730, but I have never measured it.

coyote101 · August 19, 2008, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: vvarmitr on August 19, 2008, 10:06:39 AM
For a choke tube company to say that their choke is good out to 70yds doesn't make any sense (to me). How do they know what load you're shooting, the length of your barrel, & other variables.

Designed to deliver coyote hunters DEVASTATING PATTERNS while shooting at ranges UP TO 70 YARDS with larger shot sizes.

Right there on the left side of the package.

vvarmitr · August 19, 2008, 04:47:01 PM

Well I'll be darned! :shck: They did say that.

Welp, as I said earlier "doesn't make any sense (to me),"

I would guess then for one that Carlson has their own interpretation of what a killing pattern would be on a coyote at 70yds.
Second, they most have had a couple guns that would do that.
Or maybe even they took 'em out & blasted away at coyotes to see at what distance they stopped killing coyotes.

Quote from: Dan Carey on August 19, 2008, 11:00:27 AM
Actually I thought you wrote it rather well. concise and informative.

Thanks Dan I needed that.

Then again I've known you to BS me, like crows at 350yds w/ a 22Hornet.

KySongDog · August 19, 2008, 05:43:44 PM

I noticed it said "UP TO". That doesn't mean it WILL. To me it means, "might, maybe, if conditions are absolutely perfect, and in your wildest dreams."

bushmaster · August 21, 2008, 02:21:08 AM

aaWW DAMMIT!!! I just bought one yesterday for my nova. Havent shot it yet but i'm already disgusted.

coyote101 · August 21, 2008, 05:07:26 AM

bushmaster,

Hopefully it will work as advertised for you. Let us know.

Pat

Rich · August 21, 2008, 08:53:12 AM

My testing of the new Beretta Extrema is still in early stages. I had a center bead installed on the ventilated rib to help me correct vertical hold a little better. I am using the rear bead as a rear sight (sort of). The hevi-shot "dead coyote has more velocity than my lead #4 Buck fodder, or so it seems. The #4 Buck requires a higher hold at 50 yards, while the dead coyote seems to stirke pretty much dead on. Here is a photo of 50 yard pattern I shot yesterday evening with the dead coyote fodder, and a Kicks Buck Kicker X-full tube.

KySongDog · August 21, 2008, 10:05:23 AM

So what would y'all say is the MINIMUM number of pellets (BB, Dead Coyote, or 4 buck loads) in the coyote needed to take 'em down? Assuming you place those pellets in the ribcage or head area. There is probably a different pellet count for each of those loads.

I think that answer will tell me what the maximum distance is for my choke/load combination. I shoot a 3 1/2 12ga.

Dan Carey · August 21, 2008, 10:08:17 AM

"Thanks Dan I needed that.
Then again I've known you to BS me, like crows at 350yds w/ a 22Hornet. "

You must have me confused with some one that owns a 22 Hornet.

vvarmitr · August 21, 2008, 10:17:05 AM

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I didn't know it took a 25 caliber to kill crows at 300 yards. Had I, I'd not have shot hundreds with my 22 Hornet at up to 350 yards.

Okay, explain this BSer! :roflmao:
Gotcha!

Dan Carey · August 21, 2008, 10:40:43 AM

Yeah, thats when I owned one.

One crow at 350 is certainly not a defining moment.

And if I remember right I shot at that crow about a dozen times.

Silencer · August 21, 2008, 03:24:54 PM

what's the diameter of the dead coyote choke for the mossy ? couldnt seem to find it on the net.

Rich, one of these days I'm gonna have me an Extrema II, when I hit the lottery.