I had made a clip of this a couple years ago. Never did find it again.
Tonight I wanted to see how well my Powershot would video under low light, cause I'm thinking about giving my Sanyo to the daughter.
Me demonstrating how simple it is to howl with a latex reed howler.
Once normally
Once with the call upside down in my pie hole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nh5NVgRxow
Looks like a very good video. :yoyo:
Not much I ain't seen in that country cause I recognize the room :laf: :laf:. Neat stuff Jim :yoyo:.
:laf:
That's a good camera.
Interesting picture popped up on your computer screen. Have you been receiving X rated emails?
Jerry
That camera takes damn good video! What kind did you say it was? And beins ya had to bring up that latex howler :rolleye: It reminds me of the time I ordered the exact same kind from Brent and never heard another word from him again :shrug: What is he up to these days ? Do you think I will ever get my hands on one of those howlers? what happened to Kees calls? Is he comming to LBL this year? Should I even be asking these questions? :innocentwhistle:
Sounds real good to me. Beats the hell out of an open reed call me thinks.
Quote from: securpro on January 07, 2011, 08:00:24 PM
That camera takes damn good video! What kind did you say it was? And beins ya had to bring up that latex howler :rolleye: It reminds me of the time I ordered the exact same kind from Brent and never heard another word from him again :shrug: What is he up to these days ? Do you think I will ever get my hands on one of those howlers? what happened to Kees calls? Is he comming to LBL this year? Should I even be asking these questions? :innocentwhistle:
:nono: :nono:
You wont see him at the LBL any time soon.
To make a long story short, he got caught up with FoxPro, and since Mike Dillon didn't like the fact that we weren't into sugar coating our responses regarding their products, he threatened Brent's future with FoxPro.
Yeah :iroll:
He left to here to protect the business image and then shortly after he got out of it completely. He's now big into Animal Damage Control.
http://www.ohioanimalcontrol.com
I made several attempts to contact Brent about getting some more of his turkey diaphram calls. (they are great!) I finally did talk to him and he said he would fix me up but then I never heard from him again. :shrug:
I haven't seen him on the boards either so his business must be taking up all of his time now.
I think I'm gonna :puke:
Not because of the video Jim. :noway:
Quote from: Semp on January 08, 2011, 05:21:47 AM
I haven't seen him on the boards either so his business must be taking up all of his time now.
I still keep in touch with him from time to time. He's still one of my web clients, and the Animal Control business I think is one of the best moves he's made. It does keep him tied up, I know that. He's even hired a couple guys.
Brent is on Facebook too I see him on there every now and again
Jim is your Howler the one he used latex from a condom on :laf:
No Bill....this model they used the ladies diaphrams
Cool deal then :laf:
Quote from: FinsnFur on January 08, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
No Bill....this model they used the ladies diaphrams
Used?? :puke:
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Quote from: vvarmitr on January 08, 2011, 07:03:46 AM
I think I'm gonna :puke:
Not because of the video Jim. :noway:
VV, if your talking about the Foxpro crap, I'm with you. :puke:
Cat hates that shit! :alscalls:
Quote from: Semp on January 08, 2011, 11:21:56 AM
VV, if your talking about the Foxpro crap, I'm with you. :puke:
Yeap!
Jim, do you know if that's the stock reed ?
or if much else has been tweaked with on it,
or is it pretty much a stock call put on a cow horn?
It's not exactly a stock call Scott. Takes a littel modifying to get the two mated well. They use latex gloves for reed replacements. Jimmie
I've never owned an E.L.K. Howler Scott so I cant tell you how much of what was done. But here's some close ups.
And yeah the reed is actually a 7/16" to 1/2" section cut from the finger of a latex glove. Brent used to swear that not all gloves produced the same sound, he never would tell me what kind he uses, but he did send me a sack full and told me how to cut them.
One more
I have made three howlers with the ELK mouthpiece in that is stuck in a cow horn. two are at my house and a third a good friend won from a ppha event. I have been using a elk howler for a while now. since a friend turned me onto one I would say about 5 years ago. The horn definitely makes the elk howler complete. the one I have pictured below is the one I won the ppha callin comp with earlier this year. with cutting reeds I have always used textured gloves. The reed I have on this howler has been on there for three years and still sounds good. I was thinking about changing the reed out but don't want to fix what isn't broke per se.
QuoteI have made three howlers with the ELK mouthpiece in that is stuck in a cow horn.
Ben you need to make more. I get at least 7 to 10 people a month e-mail me asking where they can get one..I would happily send them your way.
I still use mine all the time. I use the latex gloves also and they work great you just have to play around with them to get the pitch/sound you want and I have to replace them every month sometimes less.
Same here I'm wondering how your getting three years out of a reed. I have to replace mine every season cause it's all dried up crackly.
CCP. I already have a list of people from pa that want one from me. I got offered 200 bux for the one pictured above a year ago. biggest issue right now is time and I really do not need a "hobby" that will turn into work.
jim. I do not know why this reed has lasted so long. when I get home I will tell you the type of gloves I used. I know that regular latex gloves are not good reed material. the biggest thing that killed my reeds were when the edge would roll on itself and get stuck to itself. once it did that it sounded terrible. the textured gloves wont allow that to happen because they are textured. but I am serious I have the same reed on from three years ago. I changed it out last the first year we had the ppha calling comp. and its been on there ever since. maybe it is the type of glove. :shrug:
pictures of the reed. sorry for the cell phone crappy pics. but its the best I got available.
Quote from: FinsnFur on January 10, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
And yeah the reed is actually a 7/16" to 1/2" section cut from the finger of a latex glove. Brent used to swear that not all gloves produced the same sound, he never would tell me what kind he uses, but he did send me a sack full and told me how to cut them.
How about a short little tutorial on how to cut the reed from a latex glove? :innocentwhistle:
It sucks...is that too short? :laf:
I know their not regular gloves Ben. Thats why I said Brent used to swear that not all gloves produced the same sound, he never would tell me what kind he uses, but he did send me a sack full and told me how to cut them. :shrug:
agreed with jim. Cutting latex gloves for reeds sucks. I used a pair of sharp scissors that I used for fly tying. but it still doesnt cut it as clean as I would like it. what I did when I cut some for the other howler was I used a new razor blade. Placed it where I wanted it at and hit it cleanly with a small ball peen hammer using a piece of pine board for the table. cut clean and was straight.
Thats exactly what I do, brand new utility blade out of the knife. But I dont hit it with a ball peen hammer. I use a screwdriver handle and I do the whole gig on top of a magazine.
The last thing you want to do is slide the blade back and forth too. :laf: :doh2:
QuoteCutting latex gloves for reeds sucks.
Piece of tile or tile floor with a razor blade and a 1" wide finger nail file.
I think the ones I cut Fri were from the last glove I have. We got some latex gloves in the work truck that work perfect for the sound I need and grab one or 2 every so often. I know most use the ring finger but I use all three of the fingers except the pinky and thumb. :wink:
If I can find a glove I will do a video on how I do them.
Disclaimer:
Remove your fingers from the glove before cutting...
Quote from: CCP on January 10, 2011, 03:40:04 PM
Disclaimer: Remove your fingers from the glove before cutting...
Now.... ya say something about that
QuoteNow.... ya say something about that
yeah PITW didn't pay attention to the disclaimer either. :shrug:
Quote from: CCP on January 10, 2011, 03:51:11 PM
QuoteNow.... ya say something about that
yeah PITW didn't pay attention to the disclaimer either. :shrug:
At least I didn't try to take off the hole finger like some I see :sad3:.
Well, anyway. The reed turned out good.
if you do not have a finger in the glove how do you hold it good? :laf:
I've heard some say only use the part of the glove between the first and second knuckle on the ring finger. Does it really make any difference where you cut it on the glove?
Yep to all of it. Love my howler. I have one that I got from Kee and then I have one that hasn't been altered. The horn surely does add a richness to the sound. Gotta have it.
Ben, if you ever need some extra cash you could do it. Brent made good money on his howlers. About 200% profit if I was guessing. :eyebrownod:
Interesting. Thanks.
I was gonna try one different times in the past but never did.
After seein this I picked one up Saturday for the heck of it.
It sounded ok, but I wasn't like, "wow" or anything, didn't sound as
good as your video I didn't think. I may hafta mess with it some. :eyebrownod:
they take a lot of practice to get em down right.
Thats true. You gotta work it Scott to be able to do anything with it.
To give you an idea. Brent gave me mine at a PM hunt down in Globe AZ. I practiced blowing that thing all the way home in a vehicle, and still could do it very well at the end of that trip. (28 hours)
I think it took me a week or so.
Another latex reed E.L.K. call that gets overlooked is the Yote Howler. It is not super loud but it does make some nice howls.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/aggiecat/General/16.jpg)
You fellows never watched Kee cut one then . He borrowed my pocket knife once and proceded to cut several from a glove and give them to somebody for replacements. He and I then proceded to discuss the disadvantages of the things. Jimmie
QuoteHe and I then proceded to discuss the disadvantages of the things.
Well fill us in on all these disadvantages of an E.L.K as a dedicated howler. :eyebrow:
Cant seem to think of none other than changing the reeds more frequent..
I think the biggest misconception is the sound doesn't travel as far.
I heard from a friend that you couldn't be very aggressive on one. I can be just as aggressive on my elk howler then on a reeded howler. and the whole deal of the sound not traveling far is bs IMO.
Quote from: bigben on January 11, 2011, 02:45:56 PM
I heard from a friend that you couldn't be very aggressive on one. I can be just as aggressive on my elk howler then on a reeded howler. and the whole deal of the sound not traveling far is bs IMO.
I second the motion.
If a coyote can hear a mouse squeak at 500 yards he can probably hear a latex call from a mile or three. :eyebrownod:
I know those power howlers work for some people. On more than one occasion, with his Kee’s Elk/horn howler, I’ve seen Bop work in coyotes (groups, pairs and singles) from distances way further than I would have ever expected they would ever come from.
Once upon a time I even tried one of those factory ELK Power Howlers. Although I have heard Kee, Bopeye and several other coyote men make those howlers talk. I can’t get the durn things to sound anything like a live coyote, ruptured moose maybe. After days of failure I finally ended up giving mine to Bop. On the other hand, I have a couple of the yote howlers like Semp pictured above. I like them. One I put the white band on and the other the green band, with different reeds… two different howls/barks. Different strokes for different folks, I reckon. :wink:
Quote from: FinsnFur on January 11, 2011, 07:27:51 AM
Thats true. You gotta work it Scott to be able to do anything with it.
To give you an idea. Brent gave me mine at a PM hunt down in Globe AZ. I practiced blowing that thing all the way home in a vehicle, and still could do it very well at the end of that trip. (28 hours)
I think it took me a week or so.
I left a whole lot of punctuation and letters off one of them words which changes it all :doh2:
and still could do it very well at the end of that trip, should have been , and still
couldn't do it very well at the end of that trip
Well, from the video, it sounds like you have it under control now :congrats:... that is unless it's a voice howl over. :rolleye: :laf:
Here is one I worked on for awhile but never got it to sound just right
so I put it off to the side and ain't got back to it yet
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r300/bnccont/7-30-2008024_edited-1.jpg)
That wear and subsequent replacement of hte reed is hte biggest problem I see. Which could lead to some inconsistancy in how well you work it. It's saving grace is you can pick up replacements at Walmart :laf:
I too have wondered about other ways we could accomplish this type of sound Bill, with a lot less work than you have put into it :eyebrownod: There has got to be someway to make the tube calls work in this manner. Keeping the sound , but getting rid of the hard to find cowhorn that works with it. Jimmie
I know where most of my problem is on this one just never perfected it
Getting the air channel right and using the right piece of the latex glove
Quote from: Bills Custom Calls on January 11, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
I know where most of my problem is on this one just never perfected it
Getting the air channel right and using the right piece of the latex glove
From the size of the trees in the background, what do you do? Put it on a flatbed truck and get it up to about 70 MPH to howl? :alscalls:
Now I can't give out all my secrets just yet :alscalls:
That must be one of those "Paul Bunyon" howlers. What did ya carve it out of? One of those big Ponderosa pine logs? :alscalls:
Looks like Big Ed is on to me :nono: :nono:
Bill that coyote is gonna hole up in your call :biggrin:
Yep he Probably could :laf:
QuoteFrom the size of the trees in the background, what do you do? Put it on a flatbed truck and get it up to about 70 MPH to howl?
Ed here they are starting to load it for it's first trial run..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/billscalloading.jpg)
Quote from: CCP on January 11, 2011, 08:04:43 PM
QuoteFrom the size of the trees in the background, what do you do? Put it on a flatbed truck and get it up to about 70 MPH to howl?
Ed here they are starting to load it for it's first trial run..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Plumbrich/billscalloading.jpg)
Some alscalls are needed for that pic. :alscalls: :alscalls: :alscalls:
^^ :alscalls: ^^
Well. I guess the secret IS out now :doh2: that's "the call" to use when calling those 104 pound coyotes. :eyebrownod:
I would think someone could mock these out of Acrylic a lot better then they could a tree limb :confused:
That had to be a LOT of Willy.
You guys ain't right :nono:
Jim
I am still pondering on this project Just put it on the back burner for now
I posted that call almost 2 years ago and got a bit of a different reaction from the board
Here the link
http://forum.finsandfur.net/index.php?topic=6349.0
the type of gloves I have at home are made by dash medical gloves and is a multi purpose glove that has the code mlp 100L on the side of the box. I got em from a local fur dealer to use while skinnin critters out.
for those struggling with using these. When I first started using one I rolled my bottom lip in over my teeth and stuck that in where it in where the reed is. and then it worked the best. of course if you have a beard or any facial hair on the bottom of your lip I do not know how well it will work doing it this way. might be worth a try for those having trouble though.
Quote from: bigben on January 12, 2011, 06:30:45 AM
for those struggling with using these. When I first started using one I rolled my bottom lip in over my teeth and stuck that in where it in where the reed is. and then it worked the best. of course if you have a beard or any facial hair on the bottom of your lip I do not know how well it will work doing it this way. might be worth a try for those having trouble though.
Thats exactly how I blow mine. Ahhhhh fud that
did not sound right at all :doh2:
I roll my lower lip over my lower teeth, but I do the same with my top lip and top teeth. It just seems easier to seal and force all the air into the call.
Plus your lips can hold the reed flat and taunt, where it's not necessary on the plastic/mylar reeds.
dang I reread that post of mine from this morning and it made my head hurt. ughh. I posted to quick without proofreading. :hahaha: @me