The thread "Alscalls has fur down" has prompted some interesting discussion about the effectiveness of using decoys to hunt coyotes. I am really interested in hearing what you more experienced hunters think. Wiggling rabbit type decoys?? Coyote look alike decoys?? Do you use them? How do you set them up? Are they effective for you? :confused: :confused:
Jim
Coyote Decoys and rabbit decoys Really work...........
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/alscalls/headshotyote.jpg)
but you already know that........
I could not resist :laugh2:..............
Al,
Ha Ha Ha!!! You must have missed the part of my request for information from more "experienced" coyote hunters. :readthis: :innocentwhistle: :wink:
I like your new avatar! :yoyo:
Jim
Decoys can be effective. I believe, it all depends on the coyote at hand and has everything to do with it's personality. Shy, cautious, older coyotes may not charge right in to a decoy. A young bold coyote may run right in and grab right ahold of it. Hell an adult bold coyote may run right in and grab it to. It can work the other way to I believe, young timid coyotes may just sit down and stare at the decoy from across the field. My beliefs are from observations and experiences with singles.
When dealing with young doubles, if they are both aggressive they'll race to the decoy, man what a sight!
Older late season, paired up coyotes I have seen, one will sit tight while the other works downwind. I usually try and shoot the female in this situation because the male will hang around longer waiting on the female, than will the female waiting on the male.
These observations were from using the jack in the box and whirling woodpecker.
I haven't used a coyote decoy to much, I have had them turn away from my mounted coyote I take to the field sometimes. I believe the posture of my mount has to do with that. I hear, tail posture has alot to do with positioning a coyote decoy so as to not show aggression and intimidate other coyotes. I have used live dogs and that's a whole nother ball game.
JD
There Are so many different things to say on this subject there is no way I would be able to say all I wanted or relay exactly what I mean on a computer screen but will try from my point of view.
Do decoys sometimes work yes. Do they sometimes not work yes :confused:
I have seen coyotes charge to a decoy and I have seen them spot the decoy and react more cautious and circle when they would other wise charge on in. I have seen them charging toward the decoy and see them run right past it on the way to the sound.
For those that hunt fields weather it be there style of hunting or because of summer vegetation it can help pull a coyote farther out into the open. They are effective in getting a coyote to pause for the shot also.
We have all seen how a coyote will come into a stand looking for the source of were the sound came from. He is excited and is contentiously searching. That same type setup with a decoy sometimes causes him to stop at a safe distance from the decoy and work his way toward it. Alot of bad things can happen during this slow approach time.
I have found hard charging coyotes are just that hard chargers. I have had hard chargers when using no decoy and hard chargers while using a decoy. I believe in the case of hard chargers it would not matter the type distress or decoy. In the case of a pressured or educated coyote it could very well mean the difference in him committing or not.
I do like the concept of the newer coyote decoys but still believe they could have as many negatives as positives. I think I will try one in certain situations. I have not used one and would have to have many coyotes called in with it before I could give an opinion on them. I will save that to people like Rich Higgins he has been using one alot here lately and seems to be having great success.
I like this subject an eager to hear others opinions and will surly add more of my feelings.(getting past my bed time)
I will add my favorite decoys are the one on my Minaska caller because it is always with the caller. My favorite store bought decoy for hand calling is the whirling woodpecker. My #1 decoy that I have used most my life and I always have it with me is my fingers. Many coyotes have went to the big pasture in the sky by a lip squeak and my fingers fluttering.
JD I type to slow you beat me to it. Good post
Quote from: canine on August 05, 2008, 09:43:45 PM
Decoys can be effective. I believe, it all depends on the coyote at hand and has everything to do with it's personality. Shy, cautious, older coyotes may not charge right in to a decoy. A young bold coyote may run right in and grab right ahold of it. Hell an adult bold coyote may run right in and grab it to. It can work the other way to I believe, young timid coyotes may just sit down and stare at the decoy from across the field. My beliefs are from observations and experiences with singles.
+1
I've said a thousand times that I want a coyote to keep moving to the sound when I'm calling, if he hangs up a doesn't move there is a good chance that I'm going to get busted. Most of the coyotes that I call come running hard, if they don't there is probably something going on that has him on high alert. If he hangs up & doesn't move he will probably see me before I have a chance to see him.
If I'm going to hunt wide open spaces I will use a decoy every now & then but honestly it's not worth the extra carry weight.
I tend to use a e-call & put the speaker in a tree or bush, most of the time they will head straight for the bush that the sound is coming from.
On the other hand I do have a bird decoy that I look forward to trying out on bobcats. I won't use it all the time but I do have some areas where I target cats & I can see where it might help on them.
Good subject!
I have tried to use various decoys over the past few years. Really the only suucess I have had with them have been on the young coyotes in the early fall. As the season progresses I just leave the decoys in the truck unless we see some good cat sign. I have seen coyotes spot decoys and just turnaround and run off.
I have never tried a coyote type decoy.
LOL..Thanks Rich..I wholeheartedly agree with what you said.
Sometimes, I see where an e-caller and a decoy combination just isn't fair...LOL Thems the kinda coyotes I like..LOL
Especially when using vocals, them dominate pairs can be a blast. The coyote decoys are prime during denning season through summer, while pups are being raised. I believe they'll spook more fall and early winter coyotes than they will attract??
Pretty much same philosohpy as a decoy dog..
JD
My probably worthless thoughts on decoys for coyotes.
I can honestly say that I can't think of any coyote I've ever called and killed, while using a decoy, that wouldn't of been killed anyway (if NO decoy was being used).
But I can think of several times I have been calling and was using a decoy of some type and didn't manage to kill a coyote because of the decoy.
Decoys are fun to use. It's great to see a coyotes reaction to a decoy sometimes. I've laughed MAO at some coyotes that have come running in and seen a decoy. I've cussed myself for setting a decoy out at times. There's been times I swore I'd never use a decoy again. Seems like there are always 2 or 3 times a winter I just HAVE to try a decoy again :laf:...
I've got some video on a VHS tape I took years ago. (I wasn't calling to kill this particular day).... It's of a small motorized pink pig that kinda bounced around in one spot. I got one piece of video with that pink pig bouncing around by the caller where there were four different coyotes that came in and each one had a very different reaction to the little pig. I still get a good laugh out of watching that video.
Larry
Best decoy I've ever had...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/jrbhunter/Trapping2/30Coyotes.jpg)
Coycaller,
I'm curious? Where are you located? :confused:
Jrb,
Is that a dead coyote, a live pet, a tanned hide, or a mounted coyote?? :confused:
Jim
No, its a coyote.
Cool. So that's what one looks like. :biggrin:
Ole CCP and a few others pretty much nailed it.
Do decoys work? Sometimes yes and sometimes no
Do handcalls work? Sometimes
E-callers the same way.
Nothing is a sure thing. Everything we use is just another trick in the bag, but never a sure thing.
When Chet and I called in my first coyote we had a "Mickey Mouse" hand puppet mounted on a weasel ball and it was giving it heck.
We were using a Johnny Stewart JS512 with cassette tapes. Can you imagine that? Just for the record, all the new digital calls have better sound quality than those old cassette calls did, but somehow we still called coyotes in. :confused: Makes ya wonder how critical sound quality really is. :wo: :sneer:
That female coyote that came to it didn't care. She was within 10 yards of the call and decoy when I anchored with my shotgun.
Wind, setup, location have more to do with calling them in than calls, decoys, fox piss or anything else in my humble opinion.
However, I still like using decoys. I am in the process of building myself a coyote decoy out of an old coyote hide. Will it work? That will be the fun of it........now won't it. :wink: :eyebrownod:
Guys, it's about doing your own thing and enjoying it the way you like to do it. If I hunt the way someone else wants me too.........I won't last long. Have fun fellas and always take your medication as prescribed. Did ya hear me JRB.......always take your meds. :laf:
JRB, you call over a trapped coyote?
Quote from: FinsnFur on August 06, 2008, 05:51:15 PM
JRB, you call over a trapped coyote?
I'm figuring he just leads it around from stand to stand with the trap chain, puts it where he wants it and gives the command "stay boy, stay".. That coyote looks pretty tame to me. Look how cute and innocent he looks laying there with those big puppy dog eyes. Probably just a big ole lap dog when JRB ain't using him for decoy duties.
QuoteI'm figuring he just leads it around from stand to stand with the trap chain, puts it where he wants it and gives the command "stay boy, stay".. That coyote looks pretty tame to me. Look how cute and innocent he looks laying there with those big puppy dog eyes.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: I just spit tea everywhere reading that. I definitely loved it.
:roflmao: :laugh2:
frogman (Jim) I live in CO... The southestern part. The friggin DRY part this year.
Larry
You know where Sterling is Coy?
Bop,
Ain't it like northeast of Denver? I think I went through Sterling once years ago. Good pheasant hunting there, or in that area, right?
DAMN, I LIKE the spell check feature on this board. :bowingsmilie: I had the word pheasant all f*****d up. :laf:
Yep. Got a lot of kin there. :eyebrownod: Just curious if you had been there. :wink:
I don't have an opinion of if they are effective or not. I will say that I got one at the beginning of this past spring from MINASKA. So I hope it does prove to be effective.
Although I bought it from MINASKA for a steal, I would like it to be a good little toy. Maybe it will not only help keep the critters attention, but get them to commit or at least expose themselves outta the thick stuff that we call around these parts.
Bop,
Mickey Mouse hand puppet, you say? Must be a closely guarded secret.... very high tech, no doubt! :shck:
Used tapes too? What did you measure? :confused:
:laf:
Yep, fond memories from the "olden days" before coyote hunting became so cool. :biggrin:
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 06, 2008, 01:12:16 PM
Best decoy I've ever had...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/jrbhunter/Trapping2/30Coyotes.jpg)
Hunting over a trapped coyote? :confused: So how many coyotes have ya killed hunting over a live trapped coyote? Or did ya post that pic just to be cute and reinforce your image as a first class moron? :puke:
Semp
Yes, the coyote pictured was very easy going and laid back: occasionally they're just naturally calm like that. Even the most aggressive and hyperventelated trapped coyote can be calmed down signifigantly with patient body language and a gentle voice.
Semp: So how many coyotes have ya killed hunting over a live trapped coyote?
I'd estimate 15-20 in the last 5 years. I couldn't really classify it as "hunting" so much as "opportunity". Even though they are all called, I do not tally them into my season totals. There is still a little technique involved beyond having a coyote in a trap, anyone interested in that process can contact me elsewhere.
Semp: Or did ya post that pic just to be cute and reinforce your image as a first class moron?
Basically both:
I wanted to make the point that there is one undenyably perfect decoy and that is a live coyote. Weather it's wearing a trap or not... a live coyote will kill more coyotes than any dead coyote or styrofoam coyote out there. Reading between the lines- one could drawl conclusions on my philosophy of handling multiple callups and maybe even shed a little light on why I've killed as many as 12 sets of doubles in one season here in Indiana while most Hoosier's struggle to kill a double in their entire carreer.
Secondly, yes I will accept the seperation as "First Class" anytime I can get it. The way I see it- this place is full of morons... I just happen to be one that can kill coyotes consistantly using a variety of tactics and techniques. This topic of decoys has been brought up a dozen times on every board running- and the replies are usually VERY similar in each discussion. Consider my contribution for what it's worth and consider the source of that rectum you have your head stuck in- quite honestly that's the only thing that seperates you from the rest of us morons and it certainly doesn't constitute "First Class" notation.
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 07, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
Yes, the coyote pictured was very easy going and laid back: occasionally they're just naturally calm like that. Even the most aggressive and hyperventelated trapped coyote can be calmed down signifigantly with patient body language and a gentle voice.
Semp: So how many coyotes have ya killed hunting over a live trapped coyote?
I'd estimate 15-20 in the last 5 years. I couldn't really classify it as "hunting" so much as "opportunity". Even though they are all called, I do not tally them into my season totals. There is still a little technique involved beyond having a coyote in a trap, anyone interested in that process can contact me elsewhere.
Semp: Or did ya post that pic just to be cute and reinforce your image as a first class moron?
Basically both:
I wanted to make the point that there is one undenyably perfect decoy and that is a live coyote. Weather it's wearing a trap or not... a live coyote will kill more coyotes than any dead coyote or styrofoam coyote out there. Reading between the lines- one could drawl conclusions on my philosophy of handling multiple callups and maybe even shed a little light on why I've killed as many as 12 sets of doubles in one season here in Indiana while most Hoosier's struggle to kill a double in their entire carreer.
Secondly, yes I will accept the seperation as "First Class" anytime I can get it. The way I see it- this place is full of morons... I just happen to be one that can kill coyotes consistantly using a variety of tactics and techniques. This topic of decoys has been brought up a dozen times on every board running- and the replies are usually VERY similar in each discussion. Consider my contribution for what it's worth and consider the source of that rectum you have your head stuck in- quite honestly that's the only thing that seperates you from the rest of us morons and it certainly doesn't constitute "First Class" notation.
I am glad you agree that you are a MORON. As least we agree on something. Aside from that, your contribution to this board is worthless. You are not only a moron but an arrogant, self centered, elistist moron. I don't care how many coyotes you SAY you have killed or how great you THINK you are, nothing will change the fact that you are a moron.
You are an inept troll also. But that is clear to the most casual observer and doesn't need to be pointed out.
OK, JRBmoron, your turn.
:corn:
Semp
Quote from: Semp on August 07, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
Aside from that, your contribution to this board is worthless. You are not only a moron but an arrogant, self centered, elistist moron. I don't care how many coyotes you SAY you have killed or how great you THINK you are, nothing will change the fact that you are a moron.
Very intelligent dialogue here Semp: I'm very impressed with Jrbmoron- that's whitty! Let's see if I'm getting all this right.
You feel my contribution to this board is worthless? I find that very interesting! I contribute a mixture of opinions, personal experiences and concrete facts as they pertain to hunting/fishing and trapping on a somewhat regular basis
(when I remember to visit). Aside from that, I pull no punches in the common circle-jerks here in the secret forums... I call em' like I see em' weather it shines a good or bad light on any individual or group. Sometimes that goes with the flow of popular opinion, sometimes it doesn't.
It's no secret that these frequent leg humping sessions usually just give a handful of you a feeling of camaraderie and my common sense approaches often stand in contrast to your snowballs of BS. For instance- the current discussion of PM and legal action is simply laughable... THO posts another delusional wet dream about getting Redfrog tied into a lawsuit and you jump up in support and LITERALLY bow to your beloved blowhard. :bowingsmilie: LOL!!! That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while- THO is off his rocker with hypotheticals again and you drop your face directly in his lap immediately! LOL!!!
I'm not surprised you'd say my contribution here is worthless, so far as I can tell I've given as much solid calling advice in one paragraph as you have in 1364 post Semp. This is a calling forum, and it's actually frequented by quite a few good callers. If you want drama, name calling and conspiracy theories then run back into the secret forums where you can get a good dose. I challenge you to make a series of 10 solid hunting related post in this forum- then come back and advise me on how my posts are percieved.
PS: I suppose I should post more glory photos to prove the validity of my advice? I'd take that challenge... who else should we get involved in this PUT UP or SHUT UP showdown? Semp? THO? Who's in?
I still think that is a bad photoshop job.
Now ream away. :hahaha:
Jrb,
I'm curious. How do you set up over the trapped coyote. How do you call. Do you use an electronic call or mouth call or both? Does the trapped coyote vocalize too in response to your calling? Do you call right over where you trapped the coyote or do you move the trapped dog from location to location? Please post some photos of your settups if you have them.
Jim
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 07, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: Semp on August 07, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
Aside from that, your contribution to this board is worthless. You are not only a moron but an arrogant, self centered, elitist moron. I don't care how many coyotes you SAY you have killed or how great you THINK you are, nothing will change the fact that you are a moron.
Very intelligent dialogue here Semp: I'm very impressed with Jrbmoron- that's whitty!
Thank you, JRBmoron. You've already agreed you are a moron so I simply stated the obvious truth of the matter.
As for posting duelling photo-shopped photos with a moron.......no thanks. Everything you say is worthless. Even if one could sort through your lies to find a kernel of truth the effort would be wasted time because we all know it comes from a moron.
How you ever managed to live this long with out scars on your face amazes me. I suspect you are much more polite and shy in person. The epitome of the internet coward who hides behind his keyboard furiously pounding his chest about how great and cool he is. But when face to face with a man your gut churns and you get that sick nauseating feeling of fear creeping up your limp spine so you stay very quiet and hope that smell of fear doesn't give you away.
What a waste of sperm you are.
Semp -
that's not the smell of fear - it's the smell of urine running down his leg.
one more thing - stop calling JRB a moron. You are giving real morons a bad name.
AL
I gotta agree with THO on this one Semp. I'm a moron (as dillweed pointed out) :nofgr: and I don't appreciate being classified with him at all.
See I have cahones that leave drag marks. JRB's cahones are very tiny according to Krusty Klimber. :eyebrownod: If you placed his cahones on a razor blade they would look like a BB on a four lane highway. :wink:
Yeah Bopeye, that's why I asked Semp to stop calling him a moron too. I know I am a moron, and I really really dont want to be associated with the JRBHunter
The only thing I want to know is where he gets the asshole pills he takes every morning. I get mine at RiteAide, for 29.05 a month. His much be a lot stronger, or, he takes more than the recommended dosage.
As for calling over a trapped coyote, I know that is not legal here in NH, I wonder about Indiana? But being legal or not, I'm just not sure it is ethical ether. Seems to me, if you trap an animal, you owe it to the animal to put it out of it's misery, or let it go if you can and want to, not leave it suffer while you get your jollies. I don't know many true sportsmen who would do such a thing?
Huh, I guess I learned what kind of a sportsman Jason really is. I have to admit though, I'm really not surprised. It just kind of fits the picture I'be always had of JRB the "man".
AL
Quote from: THO Game Calls on August 07, 2008, 07:54:37 PMSeems to me, if you trap an animal, you owe it to the animal to put it out of it's misery, or let it go if you can and want to, not leave it suffer while you get your jollies. I don't know many true sportsmen who would do such a thing?
EXCELLENT point Al. I have to agree with that.
Ed
another thing I seen is depending on the state you are not allowed to use a live animal as bait or a decoy. not sure where bouts he lives but I had thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 07, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
Yes, the coyote pictured was very easy going and laid back: occasionally they're just naturally calm like that. Even the most aggressive and hyperventelated trapped coyote can be calmed down signifigantly with patient body language and a gentle voice.
Besides being a moron, he's also the Coyote Whisperer.
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 07, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
Semp: So how many coyotes have ya killed hunting over a live trapped coyote?
I'd estimate 15-20 in the last 5 years. I couldn't really classify it as "hunting" so much as "opportunity". Even though they are all called, I do not tally them into my season totals. There is still a little technique involved beyond having a coyote in a trap, anyone interested in that process can contact me elsewhere.
The fact that what he is doing is unethical and illegal, doesn't enter in to the moron's brain. He is so full of himself as the great coyote Whisperer who knows all that he is above the rules that govern the little people.
Semp
Quote from: THO Game Calls on August 07, 2008, 07:54:37 PM
Yeah Bopeye, that's why I asked Semp to stop calling him a moron too. I know I am a moron, and I really really dont want to be associated with the JRBHunter
Hey guys, next to JRBmoron, we are ALL rocket scientists. :eyebrownod:
I agree he gives decent moron's a bad name but I gots to calls 'em as I sees 'em. :roflmao:
Semp
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 07, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
PS: I suppose I should post more glory photos to prove the validity of my advice? I'd take that challenge... who else should we get involved in this PUT UP or SHUT UP showdown? Semp? THO? Who's in?
Well I guess we'll all quietly side-step the fact that
you've been called out... and we'll just keep on going with the leg humping and 3rd grade slams. I see we've also danced around your initial arguments that my calling advice is worthless. It appears each time I confront one of your claims Semp- you just fling more mud hoping something will stick. If you'd like to compare our calling ability, the validity of our advice, or our backbone to stand up for what we believe... I'd love too partake. Actually- since I'm a moron and you're compare to me as a rocket scientist I'd love to sit down to an IQ test with this crowd? Maybe a simple comparison of our writing and verbal skills would suffice? Look at that,
called out again!I know your game Semp- and me playing along has not only been fun but educational for everyone involved. I'd like to thank Jim for letting this discussion stand; it's a great representation of all parties involved. ;)
Frogman, you have some very good questions there but this obviously isn't the place to discuss legitimate hunting techniques- so I'll pm you with my phone number and email address for further discussion. These two fellas with their hands in each others pockets simply can't sit back and absorb knowledge like the rest of us- that's why their as unsuccessful as they are even in their elderly ages. You'll likely kill more coyotes this season than they have in their careers- think about that every time they post. I look forward to speaking with you.
As for the childish agenda driven debates of legality and ethics: they're of course totally baseless. I can hoola-hoop to a country & western song around a trapped coyote if I want... there is no code in this state
(or any other) that mandates me to silently stalk the trapped animal and dispatch it within moments of sighting it. We have a 24 hour check law, and one of the most important factors in killing a coyote off a snapped trap is quick retrieval.
The first comments made about that coyote were how passive, calm, happy and puppy eyed he looked. Those were very accurate descriptions of that coyote. Now you're telling me he's in misery? Anyone that classifies a trapped coyote as "in misery" is obviously talking out their ass or they're simply an emotional anti. I won't go off on a tangent about trapping- as you guys can't seem to absorb calling advice- but you're sorely misled if you believe my trapped coyotes are miserably contained.
For those interested in the original topic of this thread- don't overthink the LITERAL use of a live coyote in a trap! The more realistic (and effective) tool is the partner to the coyote you've been shooting on first sight. When coyotes are paired, working stands as if you're calling the second coyote will not only make the first coyote more killable.... it'll give you a better chance at the second. That second coyote is one that MOST never see- please don't get all enthralled in this topic of trapped coyotes and miss the true point.Semp, for me to get that knotted up gut feeling I'd have to give a damn about you or your opinion of me. I've been in some pretty heated discussions with other hunters that left me feeling pissed, regretful, agitated or apologetic over the years... but those were legitimate hunters that I respected and hoped to learn from. You are quite simply just another bobble-head in the cheerleading crowd, and I'm sure you are a fine fella... but I don't think any of us come here to learn from you. When I get crossways with folks of your caliber it sticks with me for all of ten minutes and I move onto more important things or more important people. I understand my post here will likely shatter your sense of belonging in this forum: but hopefully Al will rush back in and put more of his razor thin credibility on the line for you.
PS: Bopeye- your momma. :roflmao:
thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
you can use live animals for bait in many states
Quote from: Jrbhunter on August 08, 2008, 09:04:27 AM
When I get crossways with folks of your caliber it sticks with me for all of ten minutes and I move onto more important things or more important people.
Yeah, right, I know your type real well. When you get crossways with men like me you piss your britches and RUN the other way. All the while telling yourself you are taking the high road to justify your cowardice and fear.
Keep talking out your ass, JRBmoron. Let the world know what a truly worthless POS you are.
Semp
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
you can use live animals for bait in many states
I was thinking the same thing.........but I am probably a morin too.
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
you can use live animals for bait in many states
thanks I was not aware of that george.
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
you can use live animals for bait in many states
Geroge I wasn't aware of it either. I know in TN. it is illegal to use live decoys for waterfowl & I'm pretty sure it's illegal for other type's of hunting too. I guess the "decoy dog" could bring a different aspect to the situation though.
Do you have a copy of any state regulations concerning the legal use of live decoys? I'm not questioning you, I'd just like to read what they say, sounds interesting.
Oh & Dirty Dog.................................. You are a moron!!!!!!!!! :roflmao: :roflmao: :yoyo:
I cant look them all up but off the top of my head i think Wyoming ,Arizona , Texas, Minnesota you can
here in PA we cant
Thanks
Well, it looks like this thread has about run it's course.
frogman, so what ya think? Decoys, effective or not???
semp, do ya ever post anything of any value to anyone? I looked back about 5 pages and could not find anything. Just curious :shrug:.. On some boards I would venture to say you would be know as a *troll*..
Quote from: coycaller on August 08, 2008, 11:18:49 AM
Well, it looks like this thread has about run it's course.
frogman, so what ya think? Decoys, effective or not???
semp, do ya ever post anything of any value to anyone? I looked back about 5 pages and could not find anything. Just curious :shrug:.. On some boards I would venture to say you would be know as a *troll*..
Venture to say all ya want, coycaller. You wanna troll a little bit, OK. That's what's great about FnF. You can speak your mind without the Gestapo banning your ass.
So have at it. I'm ready to dance. :readthis:
Semp
I'll leave the trollin and dancin to you pardner. I'd rather talk huntin/callin/killin critters with the fellas that want to talk about the same.
You have a great day semp. Enjoy your weekend!!
decoying coyotes ,,, do they work??? shore they do ,some of the time but not all the time.
the old saying, that you may fool some,some of the time, but not all,all of the time sticks in my head
I feel they are good tool to have when the going gets tuff. same as a electronic call .a elec.call and a decoy
just help you create more scenarios on your setups that you cant do with just a gun and a hand call at you said .I do however think there is a technic to learn in using a decoy of coyote, I always think that body posture of a decoy of a coyote would play a big part on the incoming coyotes and his thought process of the event that are taken place at that moment .so I think that a decoy size should be relative to the coyote size your hunting , I am a believer that most of use east of the big river get busted more times then you think, and on the same hand I think we call in more coyotes then we think, I feel that coyotes may pinpoint yea if your hunting a vase open area but a coyote thats coming to yea thew the thick stuff like hard wood's, brush, over mountains or beyond hedgerows or across wide hollers, CAN NOT pin point the sound down to a couple yards,, they come in knowing the general area the sound they hear and will check up at some point maybe even a couple times to get them ether on track to the sound or to pinpoint the sound before busting into the area, and that when we get busted when he is checking up . even before he tries to down wind yea . you will notices a lot of times when a coyote first pops out in the opening he will more times then not stop,when he does this it's to put his best scenes to work,, he may pinpoint your sound but play it safe and try to down wind the sound not always to avoid people but also to avoid any bigger and more aggressive critters such as bear domestic dogs or bigger coyotes that may be in the area . a large decoy may discourage a smaller coyote from approaching in shooting distance, may not also,,a upright and alert decoy my be intimidating also so I think a decoy with a more submissive posture will be better. but decoys I don't feel will hurt your setup one you figure out what you need to do with it. At home I haven't used a decoy of a coyote I us crow decoys, I set 4 or 5 out and play aggressive crow calls on my elec, call why I work my hand call with a distress sound i even have a crow decoy that has rotating wing to help catch the incoming coyote eye..
ANYWAY I AM STARTING TO RAMBLE SO , just learn how you need to put it to best use
George i think your post is very good. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't, the set up is important and how you present it. Just like fishing the presentation is very important. I think every coyote is different and not all will react the same, we as the hunter just have to get off the couch and try different sets and get the right one in the mood. I think a decoy gives you that little extra edge and I need all the help I can get. :laf:
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 12:13:58 PMAt home I haven't used a decoy of a coyote I us crow decoys, I set 4 or 5 out and play aggressive crow calls on my elec, call why I work my hand call with a distress sound i even have a crow decoy that has rotating wing to help catch the incoming coyote eye..
In my opinion, that is probably the best decoying advice I've seen posted for guys East of the Mississippi. Ambient sounds and non-target decoys will kill more coyotes (here) than the popular flopping rabbits and coyote profiles.
Two years ago I had a client come in from Michigan in early February. I'd had a good year locally... but that meant most of my productive farms had been pounded all winter so I was leary about our chances of getting him his first coyote in just one day of hunting. I knew I would have to mix it up a little in order to put coyotes in front of him. By using crow and hawk sounds in a series of wooded and partially wooded stands we managed to get him his first coyote and his first double that day. He also put some lead in what was apparently the toughest coyote on the continent: we tracked what appeared to be gallons of blood before we lost it.
I cashed in on the change-of-pace myself by killing several that got around him or came in on top of me. All-in-all, we had a great day despite an incredible amount of calling pressure on those coyotes... and in several cases it was the ambient sounds that killed those coyotes. There are a lot of factors that go into succesfully calling coyotes- even more factors involved in CONSISTANTLY being succesful. There aren't any silver bullets out there that make things easy but as you develop more and more coyote knowledge you will feel like the stars simply align and things start clicking for you.
Here is a picture of the truck before my Michigan friend went home- the Red Fox and two of the buried coyotes were actually taken the day before he arrived. I was on cloud 9 when this picture was snapped because I had just gunned down a 3 legged female on a farm that had been jynxed for me for years. She came in 5 minutes into the stand- solely to a crow call.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/jrbhunter/Predators/CoyoteHuntEdit.jpg)
George and JRB,
Good posts. Thanks. Those were very helpful. That's more like what I had hoped for in this thread. As golfertrout says, "We need all the help we can get." I hope more of you will chime in here with your experienced advice and opinions!
Jim
Quoteanother thing I seen is depending on the state you are not allowed to use a live animal as bait or a decoy. not sure where bouts he lives but I had thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
I've seen articles on using decoy dogs to hunt coyotes in Predator Extreme magazine. I think Cal Taylor wrote them. It seems to be big in his area.
I think the regulation agains using live ducks as decoys is a federal regulation since they are mirgratory birds.
Other than decoy dogs, I can't think of many examples of using live decoys that would be practical.
Quote from: DirtyDog on August 08, 2008, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
thought this was pretty much something ya aint allowed to do in any state.
you can use live animals for bait in many states
I was thinking the same thing.........but I am probably a morin too.
DD,
It is illegal to trap an animal in Tennessee and keep it alive. You cannot hunt over a live trapped coyote.
Whether or not it is legal in Indiana where JRB hunts, I don't know.....yet. But I will find out.
Other people may think you are a moron, DD, but I do not.
Semp
Quote from: Semp on August 08, 2008, 01:46:12 PM
It is illegal to trap an animal in Tennessee and keep it alive. Semp
The devil's in the details- at no point have I "kept" anything. We actually can "keep" live coyotes in Indiana- but that would not serve my purpose whatsoever. When I approach a productive coyote set (trap set) in the early morning hours I am hopeful that I can stop short of blowing my cover to a nearby mate. By approaching downwind and staying concealed- I leave myself the opportunity to CALL that free roaming coyote to its death before I go dispatch the captured coyote. KEEPING a coyote from a set, feeding it for weeks, and hoping it will help lure other coyotes to a stand would be assonine. Coyotes are opportunisit, as are the people who kill them consistantly. Don't overthink this Semp.
Quote from: Semp on August 08, 2008, 01:46:12 PM
You cannot hunt over a live trapped coyote.
Semp
It took me approximately 2 minutes to disprove your post. You Tennessee boys just need to call your local game warden and ask him this-
"If I catch a coyote and try to call another one in before I dispatch him- am I breaking the law". If you can't get thru to a local warden, call the Wildlife Resource Center at (615) 781-6610 but do it soon (They're closing in 51 minutes).
Semp- you go ahead and check around on those Indiana regulations. If you call the district headquarters ask for the man on top, Director Schoetter. Hell, why not call the statehouse and speak to our Fur Biologist Bruce Plowman. Maybe you'd like to speak with all six regional officers that help me organize our calling contest each year? Either way- tell the guys I said hello and I'll be out to kill their coyotes in a couple months.
You're thinking too hard.
JRB wrote :
When I approach a productive coyote set (trap set) in the early morning hours I am hopeful that I can stop short of blowing my cover to a nearby mate. By approaching downwind and staying concealed- I leave myself the opportunity to CALL that free roaming coyote to its death before I go dispatch the captured coyote. [/quote]
When I saw the pic of the trapped coyote I figured this is exactly the way you were using the coyote for a decoy. I actually think that is a great idea. :bowingsmilie: Held in a trap or not, If a guy was going to use a decoy, I think it would be hard to find a better one.
QuoteIn my opinion, that is probably the best decoying advice I've seen posted for guys East of the Mississippi. Ambient sounds and non-target decoys will kill more coyotes (here) than the popular flopping rabbits and coyote profiles.
and as you so eloquently stated earlier in this thread concerning decoys
QuoteThis topic of decoys has been brought up a dozen times on every board running- and the replies are usually VERY similar in each discussion.
using ambient sounds for hunting coyotes has been around longer than you have been alive.
It too has been discussed ad nauseum on other boards as well as this one. It's not a big secret. It's not like it is something you thought of or something you discovered. it is a common practice for many coyote hunters.
As for calling over a trapped coyote, there is a difference between what is legal and what is ethical, but I highly doubt you will ever know what it is. What I think, is that you do it because you have something to prove. If you are doing it for damage control, then that is a different story, but in your case, I think you do it so you can simply prove you are the best coyote hunter in the world. You're not. You never will be.
It's my opinion that most of us hunt because we like too. Yes, everyone wants to be more successful in the field, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to be a better hunter. But better should not measured by the number of coyotes killed in a season, or even by what some leg humper internet groupie thinks. It's measured in your own mind. How you view your trips afield, your time spent in the woods. If you make it a constant competition with every other hunter out there, you will end up being a boring self righteous ass.
But then, you already know that don't you?
Al
Semp,
I hope you realize I was poking at DD, he is a good friend of mine & I saw a open spot to gouge him a little, my response was purly a joke. :shrug:
Quote from: Rprince on August 08, 2008, 04:19:32 PM
Semp,
I hope you realize I was poking at DD, he is a good friend of mine & I saw a open spot to gouge him a little, my response was purly a joke. :shrug:
I know that. No problem. :biggrin: I get poked at a lot. :laf:
Semp
Here is the question I asked the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA):
Is it legal to use live trapped coyotes as bait for calling and shooting other coyotes in Tennessee?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Here is their response:
It is illegal to trap an animal in Tennessee and keep it alive.
Steve Nifong, Asst. Chief
TWRA Law Enforcement Division
Sure doesn't sound legal to me but you can draw your own conclusions.
Semp
Coycaller wrote
QuoteWhen I saw the pic of the trapped coyote I figured this is exactly the way you were using the coyote for a decoy
How the hell did you get that from this?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/jrbhunter/Trapping2/30Coyotes.jpg)
Ummmmm, I used a little common sense. :roflmao: I'm not real sure how many OTHER ways you would use a trapped coyote. :shrug: :shrug:
I'm headed out for an overnight fishing trip. Talk at you fellas later.
I do like the original post and allot of the replies I agree with. JRB I would reply to some of your post but will not at this time I do not have the expertise you do and would only make a fool of myself.. I am looking forward to meeting you at the World predator expo in Kansas. There are several topics I would really love to speak with you on face to face. :biggrin: I would be more than willing to call and reserve you a room at the Sheraton where we are staying so we could chat together. You seem to be one of the best coyote callers out there and would jump at the chance to speak with you face to face. If you are interested please PM me and I will get the reservation setup.
I know exactly what you are talking about JRB, I have trapped many coyotes and while takin care of the one in the trap have seen the mate or running partner hanging close to the area. What you are doing is neither illegal or unethical, it's purely taking advantage of the situation. I just wish I had your kinda time to spend doing some calling on the trapline....I'm usually bustin balls just to keep up with my sets and gettin my ass to work on time :biggrin:
If you guy's think an animal is in misery while in a trap, give it a try for yourself, until then I suggest you not show your ignorance of the topic.
JD
Canine, shut the heck up!!! You just kissed JRB's butt.........how did it smell? :rolleye: :laugh2:
JRB. I would be more than glad to pay for your room at the Sheraton. ;yes;
While we are on the subject, you mentioned that you were more intelligent than this whole board collectively. Would you care to engage in a spelling contest with me at our next convenient time........maybe LBL? :eyebrownod:
Bop, I don't kiss anybody's ass..... :puke: I can merely understand what he is doing.
To be successful and consistant at this game you have to always to be on your toes and trying new and different things, That's all!!!
Just being my usual pain in the ass self or somethin like that, That's what you and Cronk said about me. :biggrin:
JD
QuoteBop, I don't kiss anybody's ass
exactly how DOES one spell
FOX PRO??
Quote from: canine on August 08, 2008, 06:39:57 PM
Bop, I don't kiss anybody's ass..... :puke: I can merely understand what he is doing.
Just being my usual pain in the ass self or somethin like that, That's what you and Cronk said about me. :biggrin:
JD
You don't understand how to button your shirt, much less what the moron is saying. :nono: :roflmao:
As far as me and Cronk calling you an arse........ :confused: I don't remember doing it, but I'll gladly take the credit if you want me too. :laf:
Anybody can see what JRB is saying, but most of us know it's pure BS.........and that's all it is. :sneer: :wink:
Canine -
As I said, if you are doing it for damage control - Fine - I understand
If you are doing it to feed your family with the money from the pelts - fine - I understand that too
But if you are doing it to drive up the number of coyotes you claim to call and kill in a year - well - I suppose I understand that too, and you are one sorry SOB - or - JRB as the case may be.
AL
WOW the insults are flying like crazy, this is an outrage! I am calling Redfrog in to clean this up!!! :roflmao:
I don't trap but see what JRB is saying.
THO Al: how about all these rains and violent storms!!! Do you think they gonna kill some of our Coyotes like we though a couple years ago??
Mike - I found a new spot -
and since you agree with JRBlowhard - I aint sharing LOL.
Give me a shout if you want to go out some time. I'll have to blind fold you for the ride out though.
That spot that I showed you a couple years ago that I told you was now posted - I got permission to hunt it again
AL
oh GEEZ, Thanks JRB you got me in trouble AND Al knows where I live!!!!!
Al, Krysten and I have been working so much to make Mortgage and feed these Kids. I have been cutting wood like crazy to heat my house because of propane prices.
I have not touched a rifle in so long, I can't wait to break away and hunt some!
As far as blind folds, don't worry about that. Remember you took me to that spot where I shot that MONSTER that we never found?
You told me to go hunt it again and I had to call you for directions. It was only a week later and it was as easy as going left and then straight to the end.
I am horrible with directions!!!!
Edit: after reading your post again, we are talking about the same spot I think.....
Quote from: THO Game Calls on August 08, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
QuoteBop, I don't kiss anybody's ass
exactly how DOES one spell
FOX PRO??
What the crap does this mean??
I don't kiss FOXPROS ass, I like there callers, plain and simple. If you have a hard on for them....well....I guess that's your problem.
I don't try and drive up my kills, I have nothing to prove to anyone...I call and kill plenty of coyotes each year and some get put on film and some get hero shots on the internet, mostly the ones my kids are involved with. I am just fine with my coyote calling masculinity....I have hunted with some of the best there is in the predator industry, and can assure you that I am not all talk, or about being a crapping internet hero.
Since you have turned on me now,,,I'll back JRB again....let's see some proof out of some of you...THO.........You wanna jump in here with your shit....show us....were callin you out.....
JD
Who's doing the calling? You, JRB, or both? Just wondering.
Speaking of not having anything to prove......... BITE ME little guy. :wink:
Getting a lil intense in here. :confused:
I think decoys are a great idea, and a great tool to add to the bag of tricks...if you can justify the extra luggage. :shrug:
What exactly is it you are calling me out on Canine?
You got your hands in JRBlowhards pants now? How DID you ever get them out of Mike Dillons?
You best be careful what you say. Bad things can happen to folks who make the FP Mafia look bad. I wouldn't want to see you loose any money over something as silly as this thread.
If this is about numbers of coyotes killed, then I guess I am going to lose. I already know that JRB has no integrity, so there's no telling what he would do to win some silly internet contest. Hell he would proabaly post pictures that were 3 or 4 yearls old if he had to just to win.
I didn't have a beef with you before, still dont. But if you want to play, go for it. I could really care less about you, JRB or FP or anything else. This has all just been fun and games with JRBlowhard. Don't mean nothing to no one, and if someone reads it and thinks I am an ass for what I say, well, big deal. Again, I just dont give a crap. We are talking about COYOTES here. Not the arms race, terrorism, the elections or anything that really mattes one little bit to the day to day lives of the vast majority of peoples lives. It's Coyotes man, Coyotes. It's supposed to be fun to hunt them, not some contest where you have to prove you are a man for killing a damn coyote.
I told Bopeye the other day that I was thinking about stopping shooting them and just photgraphing them. Honestly, I just dont find it all that hard to kill coyotes. Oh, I dont kill the numbers the guys out west do, or the numbers you sponsored pros do, but I bet you I have just as much if not more fun. No pressure, and, guess what - no one is pulling my strings to make me say anything or stay out of anything.
So - go pick on someone who really gives a shit and will fall for your crap. Maybe one of the guys on PM who hangs on your every word. I know the game partner. It aint rocket science. There're coyoites. Go hunt with who ever you want and have fun doing it. But for goodness sale, at the end of the day, remember, they're just COYOTES. 99.99% of all the people in the world could care less how many you shoot. It;s not the freeking olympics or something. You guys get so wrapped up in being the greay coyote hunters that you've completely lost what it's all about. You've turned our hunting heritage into a Las Vegas Whore House. Might be legal there, but the players are still whores and pimps.
Have a good one Canine, and please dont bust a gasket.
Al
What about a decoy dog? You busted JRB's balls for useing a coyote but what the difference in using a decoy dog or coyote?
What about a freebie? Ever drive by a field and see a coyote in a field and go call it?
THO.....I'm with Jd, lets see some pic's of some dead Coyotes! Lots of talk but lets see you prove it!
I see allot of BS on the enet. And from allot of talk but all and all, its all about killing and calling coyotes. Guys everyone has different tactic's and ways of going about it. But why bust someones balls for what works for them? Come on! Everyone hunts different! And everyone has things that put fur in the shed!
Go kill something! If people spent as much time hunting coyotes as they do thinking about it they would double there numbers!
Brent
Dang THO!! Could it be possible. :doh2: You and I are starting to get on the same page again. :readthis: I agreed with everything ya said. :wo:
I reckon I'm going to bed. Be up in six hours to hunt coyotes. What a novel idea. :biggrin:
Suppose to be 54 degrees in the a.m. :highclap: :highclap:
Yup - there it is again, Internet Hunter. Keyboard Caller.
I never knew that to be a real coyote hunter I had to lug a camera in the woods.
It's not like I want to get on someones pro staff or anything. Or did I miss the rule that says to post here or anywhere I have to post pitchers?
By the way, if you really want to see some, there are some on PM. Only ones of coyotes called in for guys I took hunting though. A few fox too. No cats, they are protected here, So there are a few out there.
And Kee. Decoy dogs are completely differnet than calling over a trapped coyote. I am sure it works, and like I said, if you do it for damage control, or to feed your family, fine. But it you do it to feed your ego...... well, if numbers and pictures make the man, I guess I;m just not a man :)
Al
Browning the coyote are to old now to be effected by weather this time of year ..
they are getting nothing but wet pal..i hope things get better pal and you get out after them
QuoteYou got your hands in JRBlowhards pants now? How DID you ever get them out of Mike Dillons?
AL,
Your a dork! Why would you talk out you butt on something you don't even know about? Question? Are you off you meds again?
If you knew haft as much as you think you do you would be working for NASA! Ever call anyone and get first hand info? Not me! Just post away Al! You are just showing me how smart you really are or how much you think you really know!
QuoteYou best be careful what you say. Bad things can happen to folks who make the FP Mafia look bad. I wouldn't want to see you loose any money over something as silly as this thread.
All about the money Al? Again you talk out your butt! You better get some first hand info there to! Over half of you all have no idea whats went on in all this!
I have wanted to say this for along time but didn't! "Kiss my ASS Al!"
I will stop there! No need for this BS! And I got Bats to exclude, coons calls to run and moles to clean up. Have a good day Al!
But do me a favor, take your meds before you post again!
Brent
Edit......
To reply to you post....I see you didn't take you meds!
But.....
Yep! Enet hunter here but have video and pic's to prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
????????? I few don't get it Al! You give all this advise and bust everyones balls but you cant back it up! 1-5 Coyotes a year don't get it! Show us the real Al the one that calls and kills all these Coyotes that the rest of us just talk about! And all this info you give out to all of us!
Just like you bust old Al Praters butt! That man kills allot of coyotes! Allot more that you ever thought about calling and killing!
And I will leave that at that, have a good day!........................
If I ever kill a coyote I'm going to take some pictures and post them here, in this thread. So George will know, I'm the real thing. :laf:
Cool! I would like to see them Dan! Look forward to them! I like pic's and stories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brent
Running a trapline is a blast, I actually shot the coyote on the right of the picture.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/denocaro/picture003.jpg)
Damn nice pile of fur Dan! Thats what I am talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great pic!
Brent
Edit...............
I like to run the line to....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/keekee/trapping/Sundayrun.jpg?t=1218252250)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/keekee/morningpic.jpg?t=1218252366)
But this is what its all about! Even on the slow days!...........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/keekee/trapping/britcriters.jpg?t=1218252479)
Kee -
Nice to see you back. Mike on Vacation?
Al
Quote from: George Ackley on August 08, 2008, 09:47:36 PM
Browning the coyote are to old now to be effected by weather this time of year ..
they are getting nothing but wet pal..i hope things get better pal and you get out after them
thanks. We have low #'s anyhow. Wouldn't want anything to take away from those coyotes that out smart me!!!
Didnt miss much! But I see you still didnt take my advise!
QuoteKee -
Nice to see you back. Mike on Vacation?
Al
What a Dork! Just ready my posts!
Brent
You know I almost wish I kept that stupid coyote to myself. Gone huntin LOL
Quote from: alscalls on August 08, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
You know I almost wish I kept that stupid coyote to myself. Gone huntin LOL
Shoot man. This is what the summer time is all about. Giving someone a rash of crap is entertainment at it's best. Beats the crap outta the reality shows on t.v. :laf:
See you in the morning alscalls! I don't know if we should take those decoys with us or not? :confused: :shrug: :wo:
Jim
Quote from: Frogman on August 08, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
See you in the morning alscalls! I don't know if we should take those decoys with us or not? :confused: :shrug: :wo:
Jim
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
That's funny right thar.
Hey Chet!! Let's take some chained coyotes in the morning. Reckon the zoo will let us borrow a couple. :eyebrownod:
Shoot, maybel JRB will give us his for a few hours. :laf:
GREAT IDEA BOPEYE!
We get a bunch of Fox Pro guys and a bunch of Minaska guys and we put them all in one big house for the summer. A couple of web cams, broadcast it on the boards and have a blast LOL.
Alscalls
Your post about the coyote was great. It was a good story and PITCHERS were great! (no one would have belived you with out them you know)
Yeah, your thread got hijacked, and I was a big part of that, and I am sorry for taking away from your hunt. I really am. You're a good guy, and we really screwed your thread up.
That sucks. Again, my apologies.
Al
The Dorky Internt HUnter & Keyboard Caller
Sorry guys for the post I made in here.Sorry it had to end up this way!
But................
But that excatly what Im saying dont take all this to heart! Why should you not be able to ask a question with out all this crap!..................
Now thats a good question!
Brent
Edit...........
Never mind its a waist of time!
Isn't it kind of a coincidence though Brent? You hadn't been here since July 19th and all of the sudden you show up tonight after JD sided with JRB. :confused:
Kinda odd is all. :innocentwhistle:
Turd Bird JRB stirs the pot and gets everyone riled. Then JD sides with him. Then you show up siding with them both.
Tell me..........is this a set up job or purely coincidental? :sneer:
what I do,, how did I get in this ,,, Yo Dan what up wit dat!!!!!
you still upset I took that upper home,, you know i still think of the look on your face from time to time
right back at yea kid :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/GUIDED%20PREDATOR%20HUNTERS/agoodday.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/GUIDED%20PREDATOR%20HUNTERS/IMG_0538.jpg)
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Geez...I've been on the phone with a good ol boy...George... and all this shit goes down ...I don't know where to start.....Hmmmmm maybe with a crap you Al....I got a good laugh out of your childish post about not makin howlers anymore because someone said Loren Reese's were the best.....try this.....get out of Predator calls too cause yours aren't even the closest in that department either...And yes, I have one....
Also pitcher is spelled(PICTURE) can't even spell the fuckin word let alone post one with a dead coyote :rolleye:
Ok every one look at my puppys
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanow you are relaxed
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/PHOTOS/DSdogs92-1.jpg)
Cute little turds aren't they? :eyebrownod:
I'd call them right nut and left nut. Make sure your standing between them though George. :roflmao: :roflmao:
guess what buddyboy
scroll down
BITE ME KID
Damn guys, what an exhibit of unity on our part! Just think of all those poor PETA types that will need reconstructive surgery after laughing their asses off at this thread. You all done real good!!! :doh2:
Nice looking pups !
:roflmao: :roflmao:
I LOVE YOU GEORGE!!! :puke:
Chet.....untiy went out the window a few moths ago :rolleye:
Bop,
No siding here! I think Al is a ass and I came into say so!
Nothing to do with JRB either....I have had my fair share of times not agreeing with JRB as well! Just ask him, we have had some bad words threw email.
Al brought all that up over me and kee's productions! So, i felt I needed to say my part. Its all about the money to Al! Remember? I do! And I don't forget either! Not a mod here now, I can say what ever I want just like the rest of you can!
Also, I will keep allot of this out of here, sense I am in all this for the money! I didn't say much about all this before but I know who my friends are!
And sense you brought it up, ya, been awhile sense I been in here and for good reason! Why come in when you were put threw what I went threw? Ever think about that? And on top of that, all about the money shit! I been working 18 hrs A day doing Bats, coons, moles, dead animal removal, rats, and birds so I don't haft to report to a leader of a company every day! And to feed my family!
Oh and just so all of you know...........Its been months sense I talked to Mike at FoxPro so don't go throwing all that in there.......Al or anyone else!
Like I said if half of any of you knew what was going on you would work for NASA!
And just to clear the air....Your damn right if JD is threw on the fire, I will be there! Thats what real friends are for! I learned this the hard way!
Sleep on that!
I don't need to defend JD or JRB! They can stand on there own and can prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim and Al...take the decoy :yoyo:
I wanna see some more of that stuff. I'm glad you didnt keep it to yourself. :biggrin: But even if you would have tried...Frog would have leaked :eyebrow:
Good luck tomorrow, :thumb2:
By the way????????????????????????????????
I thought you were going to bed Bop? :innocentwhistle:................... :biggrin:
Wait..............Its a :biggrin: at the end! That makes it all right!............. :roflmao:
FOXPRO :shck: DID I TELL EVERY ONE HOW I FEEL ABOUT FOXPRO AND GLENN GUESS :confused: :confused: :whew:
You wouldn't know a "REAL FRIEND" if it bit you on the ass Kee. It's all about YOU. Always has been and always will be.
You are a selfish, self centered, individual with nothing more on your mind than making yourself look good. You also don't give a flip who you got to step on to get where you're headed. Might as well call your calls "coming to the call also".
Maybe JD will see it eventually.
BTW, what did you go through that was so terrible? You quit this board so you could make money and us little folks were holding you back.
REMEMBER!!!
JD, you remember this thread?
http://www.finsandfur.net/forums/index.php?topic=3278.msg36655#msg36655
You wrote
QuoteAl,, Thank you so much for the call This sumbeech sounds GREAT The craftsmanship is excellent also, I like the acrylic really well..
It amazes me how low you will go JD. So tell us, were you lying then, or are you lying now?
And tells us something else JD. Why is it that you changed your handle over on Huntmasters from Canine to using your real name? Is there a reason for that? Trying to make a name for yourself? Like myabe Byron South, or maybe Steve Criner? Now we have J. Piatt just like one of the big boys.
You know JD - everytime you post over here, I hear that old Steve Miller song in the back of my mind.
You know the one, "Take the Money and Run"
That was a pretty low blow about the calls JD. But, I suppose one has to consider the source. Perhaps you would have liked this one better?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/keekee/FNF/show-case-call.gif?t=1172872860)
I know Kee did. Hell, I even used to make some similar to that.
Al
GLENN GUESS,,,, MY THOUGHTS :confused: ANYBODY :confused: :confused: :confused:
:biggrin: :biggrin:
QuoteChet.....untiy went out the window a few moths ago :rolleye:
Maybe for a few people but not everyone.
Yep, the Bopster and I are going out this morning and attempt to call in a few coyotes. Maybe we'll get lucky, maybe not but I can guarantee... we will have fun trying. :wink:
Good night folks, carry on :iroll:
BOPEYE DONT HURT YOUR BACK KID
AND HERE I WILL LET YOU USE THE COOL GEAR FOR THE PHOTOS
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/PHOTOS/heading.gif)
YEA, YEA, YEA I KNOW BITE ME :roflmao:
YOU DA MAN GEORGE!!!
Al,, to be perfectly honest, which Leanord can verify...I changed e-mails and lost my password to huntmasters. I have nothing to hide on the internet so I switched to J.Piatt over there. To join the big boys :rolleye: no, I have nothin to hide and canine was takin by me, but Leanord couldn't come up with my password :confused: I'll go back to canine, hell at predator masters I am now canine1 because of all the email shit.
Yeah, I'll admit I praised you over your calls, I see I touched a personal spot with you....Back at ya Pal....
Oh, I have spoke to Mike Dillon one time in my life, pretty good guy I should say too.
QuoteI didn't say much about all this before but I know who my friends are!
You should have known back then who your friends were and been straight with everyone up front. But you side stepped it and then came out with that lame assed post about why you were leaving. Yeah I remember too Brent.
I also remember the day you left FnF to go suck PM's teet.
You sent me an E mail asking me to give you the name of the supplier of the coaxer reeds I was selling in my store so you could put them in your store and sell them to the guys on PM because as we all know, I am banned over there.
And what did I do Kee?
I gave you the info.
What do you do?
It took my posting about it over here to even get a simple THANK YOU out of you.
You think I am an ass - GOOD.
When you made that call I posted a few post back, you sent me a PM telling me you made the call and posted it and if I wanted you too, you would take it off. But I told you to not worry about it. A lot of people on this board thought it was pretty low. And I stuck by you and tolf yhrm it was no big deal.
You had friends over here, but you didn't think enough of them to come clean and tell them what was going on.
The sad part is Kee, I am sure that most of us would have wished you well and held no hard feelings. YOU screwed that one up. Not me, not anyone else on this board.
Sorry Kee, I used to like you. Thought you were an OK guy and hell of a predator hunter. I even went to bat for you on PM when they beat the piss out of you for your first DVD.
You had friend buddy, but they weren't good enough for you or your far flung dreams.
Good luck in the future Kee.. You and JD both.
Al
horseshit thread it was there then gone :confused: :confused: did i get a glimpse into the back room :confused: or did I eat to many of these little peace's of funny tasting paper :eyebrow: :eyebrow:
I saw it too George. It was Jimbo screwing with us. :laf: Got any papers..?? :nono:
This topic has become a complete disaster. :doh2:
It went from, "yeah decoys work" to "only sometimes" to "i use live coyotes" and then on to, "oh my gawd I hate everyone around me".
I started picking out a select few that I was going to post links to their post history and show how productive they've been...but the list just got way to big. :laf:
I'm beginning to feel bad for Al and Jim here guys. Can someone please make a new topic if this is all there is to do and title it "The Annual Beat Down"...and then with any luck we'll draw some more old members from the shadows, and get em posting again. :sneer:
Ya can even finish pounding on JRB, but for sanity's sake we can't keep smashing everything Jim and Al lay down here. Those guys are the farthest thing from this topic now.....and they're trying to make productive posts. :shrug:
not no more,, the wife just took the last off me,, and she took the time to tell me i was like one of the little kids that licks the windows of the yellow school bus....
yea i told her to BITE ME
Why is that post deleted of Kee's? :confused:
Oh well. Come back tomorrow Kee and we can continue in the saga of "Who gives a rat's rear". :roflmao:
It wasn't deleted, it was moved...along with your reply http://www.finsandfur.net/forums/index.php?topic=6341.0
If the decoy works for you take it and use it.I am sure it will be like anything else and not work everytime.
Good luck and bring back some pics and post them up
Thanks Bill, I do not know about posting pics though.........Seems to irritate the third graders :roflmao: :laf: :roflmao:
Went out this morning with Frogman........had a great time........How did we do? :biggrin: Piss off people I am ticked and when I get over it I will think about it.
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I used a real decoy but I actuly got out of my chair, then got pissed on, for doing it..........Dont be an ass to me......I tried to be civil.
Be cool Al..I think most of the dust is settling. None of it had anything to do with you or frog or either of your posts. You guys did nothing wrong and nothing in either thread says you did.
Unfortunetly the two threads brought the rivals together...good thing is it sparked interest, bad thing is it when the rivals got side by side the furniture started flying. Again none of it was focused on you guys.
I've done everything I can think of to direct the madness elsewhere and away from your topics, which so far seems to be working. :shrug: :wink:
I am cool......I am just pissed some of these guys are my friends and they are getting pissed on and I dont like it and I dont care who knows it.
jealous hunters Al, they hunt from there puters. They are like me they cant get off the couch, but I don't give them crap about there hunts.
Quote from: alscalls on August 09, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
I am cool......I am just pissed some of these guys are my friends and they are getting pissed on and I dont like it and I dont care who knows it.
Al, my post above wasn't directed at you or Frog. Chet and I hunted all morning as well and we weren't on the couch either.
So tell me......ya pissed at me? :innocentwhistle:
Quote from: alscalls on August 09, 2008, 02:27:31 PM
I used a real decoy but I actuly got out of my chair, then got pissed on, for doing it..........Dont be an ass to me......I tried to be civil.
Is this directed at me?
Pm's sent to those who asked..........
I am dissapointed all around........I'll get over it. Sorry so short.
My apologies to Alscalls and Frogman. This should have never happened on either of their threads. I'm sorry for my part in this debacle.
I will petition the higher magistrates for the removal of JRB. He always leaves destruction in his path due to his inability to be anything other than an annoying, arrogant, ignorant, pseudo intellectual, anal retentive bastard.
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