As its raining hard her in NH I was just reading the new 08/09 game regs book which says its unlawful to use a semi rifle holding more then 5 rounds, except for a rimfire...so Im wondering about the coyote carbines, ar15, bushmaster, etc alot of predator hunters use....is there a smaller capacity magazine available for them?...like holds 3-4 rounds?..the standard seems to be 10.
First time I ever heard that question. :wink:
Whats the reasoning
yes most states are 5 round only,, and they do make 5 round clips we use,
so yes in your state we can hunt with AR's with 5 round max clips,
I wasn't paying attention again was I? :innocentwhistle:
The reasoning is that some yahoos tend to pray and spray the woods with high capacity clips. There were also ten round mags available for the big caliber semi auto's. And I have been on a farm right next to one of these nimrods with one. When we accidently recovered the deer four days later it had fifteen holes in it. Not a single kill shot among them. The poor beast suffered a great deal in that four days.
You hear about some of these accidents every year somewhere. A bullet through a house or car or even other hunter4s having close calls with shots thrown in their direction. So most states decided it was best to limit mag capacity.
It's true that there are all kinds of idiots out there with all kinds of weapons. And in my opinion these fellas are a danger to all of us. So be careful out there. Jimmie
As far as I will go on that last post is
Sorry jimmie in ky, I have to disagree with yea on most of your hole reply..
5 in the mag...1 in the chamber.....=6?
NASTY,
I thnk your right / regs only say that the mag has to be 5 rounds
by crikey i am reading the regs and it does say a "semi automatic rifle with a clip or magazine holding more then 5 rounds"...so id guess its ok to have 5 in the mag and 1 in the tube. Now it doesnt mention hanguns i dont think so if you use a 10 mm automatic pistol you can have a 10 round clip?.....not to push this thread any further.... :biggrin:
Quote from: FinsnFur on September 06, 2008, 09:51:34 AM
First time I ever heard that question. :wink:
Whats the reasoning
:readthis:
In KY for deer hunting, you must use a firearm that can hold no more than 11 rounds. (10 round magazine + 1 in the chamber)
For coyotes, any capacity magazine is legal. You can hunt coyotes with a 30 round mag if ya want.
the legal handgun calibers listed in the nh book are 357,10mm,41 rem,44 mag,45 long colt,480 ruger, and 50 magnum., does this mean you cant use a s&w .500 ?.....or a contender with a 30-30 barrel?.....damn book anyways!!! :argh:
looks to my your list , it may only be strait case cal, so the 500 is good i bet,, the 30 30 no good
there are other states that only alowe strait case rounds
i dont have a NH book
The wording Semp mentions appeared in th manuals the year after two houses were filled with holes. One of which had an infant sleeping in his crib that was killed by one of those rounds. ALL OF THIS DURING THE DEER SEAON.
The kid on the next farm was playing soldier with two ten round mags taped together for his semi auto. By the time he fired his seventeenth round I was praying for my BIL's safetey, he was hunting from the fencerow between the two farms. I skinned that deer myself four days later. I can recognize gangrene by the stench and color of the meat.
If you think accidents like these have nothing to do with the regs we deal with each year, the you are saddly mistaken. You think the parents of the infant did not complain? Do you think that we as hunters should keep our mouths shut when fools make such mistakes? Stuff happens is not an attitude we as hunters should take. We have too many enemies out there looking to shut down our favorite past time to not police ourselves just as strenuously. Jimmie
I started out this year at LBL using my AR with a 5 round magazine that I purchased a week before the LBL hunt at a gun show. When I got to my first stand I loaded that Mag with 5 soft point rounds , I killed one coyote at LBL in Febuary and one here at home in August, I just checked that mag and there are 3 rounds left in it :confused: so my question is WHY DO YOU NEED MORE THAN 5 ROUNDS ANYWAY :shrug: IMO if you need more than 5 rounds in any hunting rifle or more than three arrows in your bow..... YOU NEED MORE RANGE TIME !!!! :readthis: I dont want anybody thinking that im not a fan of high cap mags because I am thats why I have about 25 30 round mags ready for use in a moments notice... :eyebrow: I just prefer to carry a mag that is five times lighter than those big mags when I'm hunting. and thats my .02
I think I remember somebody saying they called in 12 or 18 coyotes at one time.......... :innocentwhistle:
A high cap might come in handy then. :nono:
why we r on the subject of number of rounds.....why are there 25 rounds in a box of shotgun shells but only 20 rounds in a box of rifle rounds?....I use a shell belt for 12 gauge ammo that has 25 shell loops in it....and i use a rifle belt for my .410 rounds which fit perfectly in the rifle loops....but it only has 20 loops...which leaves me 5 floater rounds....WTH :wo:....these are the things that we as hunters ponder while out on stand waiting for game.... :wink:.....25 is a 1/4 of something....20 is.............less?.......I hope there is an ammo rep on here somewhere reading this...:yoyo:
why ask why :eyebrow:
Thats a good question. I'll bet back in the old days, you could kill 25 birds a day, but only 20 deer. :laf:
real question Dan is ,,, Are you comeing to the camp out with a AR or one of them thier bolts :confused:
I hope i dont have to take on you all :biggrin: but i will if i have to, I was at least hoping you stand up as a AR guy
I have a bad habit of letting people think I am holding a bad hand,like telling them I cant shoot to well.. I hope they don't find out that I am a competitive small & largebore silhouette shooter out to 600 meters ,
so moms the word pal ;yes; :laugh2:
and if anyone ells see's this that will be there other then Dan aaaaaaaaa I am just kidding i am just a simple bow hunter,,,,,really
I think ya nailed it Dan :bowingsmilie:
Quote from: securpro on September 07, 2008, 05:46:45 PM
I started out this year at LBL using my AR with a 5 round magazine that I purchased a week before the LBL hunt at a gun show. When I got to my first stand I loaded that Mag with 5 soft point rounds , I killed one coyote at LBL in Febuary and one here at home in August, I just checked that mag and there are 3 rounds left in it :confused: so my question is WHY DO YOU NEED MORE THAN 5 ROUNDS ANYWAY :shrug: IMO if you need more than 5 rounds in any hunting rifle or more than three arrows in your bow..... YOU NEED MORE RANGE TIME !!!! :readthis: I dont want anybody thinking that im not a fan of high cap mags because I am thats why I have about 25 30 round mags ready for use in a moments notice... :eyebrow: I just prefer to carry a mag that is five times lighter than those big mags when I'm hunting. and thats my .02
Well call me weird but I always use a 20 round mag, but never put over 5 in it. In KY its ok but in Ohio its not.
I prefer the feel of the gun with this magazine. Many times Ive shot while having a firm grip on it. A 5 round magazine just doesn't do it for me. Maybe petty, but to me.....an AR15 just "Just don't look right" with a bitty 5 round mag in it. As far as the laws go...I think they are senseless. If you got an idiot with a gun, it doesn't matter weather he has a single shot Ruger or a Bushmaster with a 30 round clip.......Hes probably gonna do somthin stupid. I know a guy uses 20 magazines in Ohio that are plugged and wont hold over 5 rounds. I wonder what would happen, if you were caught with a magazine that ( cosmetically ) looked like a 20 but in essence was a 5. The guy hasn't put this to the test yet, but id say its just a matter of time. The whole thing is a bit like the assault weapons ban of the past. If it looks nasty......ban it ! God help us if ........you know who ends up in the White House.
If my AR isnt welcome...Neither am I! :yoyo:
ARShooter...I'm with you! An AR just doesnt look right without at least a 20rounder!
I sometime's like to tape two 30's together just In case I get into a whole herd of yote's :iroll:
I will agree my AR looks real nice with a 20 rounder in it!!! I also understand the limitation of the 5 rounds, doesn't mean I agree with it. Here in Iowa we have a limit on DEER rifles, but not others. Hell, I use an extended mag tube on my shotgun for deer season and thats legal, and yes I have needed all 8 rounds, not because I am a bad shot but because I had that many deer to shoot at. WE hunt in groups and drive deer during the shotgun season. I have put down several deer, not just bucks, during a drive and the extra rounds do come in handy. I hunt with 10 guys in my group and we fill about 18 to 20 tags in 2 days. I also hunt coyotes with an AR and 20 round mags and have never fired more than one round at a coyote! I guess self restraint and proper training keep me from doin the spray and pray thing, maybe we as hunters and gun owners need to make sure people that are using these types of guns understand how to properly handle them instead of just pointing fingers and saying they were the problem. I have helped many young people learn to shoot properly and how to control themselves. If we are not part of the solution we are part of the problem.
Kuipdog
I like the plastic 5 round clip,, try and keep them light as I can, I don't think I ever shot my 5 round mag empty wail on a stand
Quote from: George Ackley on September 09, 2008, 10:01:05 AM
I like the plastic 5 round clip,, try and keep them light as I can, I don't think I ever shot my 5 round mag empty wail on a stand
Ive only fired 2x while on stand. (Missed both times). :madd:
witch AR you shooting
Quote from: George Ackley on September 09, 2008, 07:10:27 PM
witch AR you shooting
All that follows is IMHO :
Lately Ive been using a Bushmaster Predator for my coyote callin. Cant say enough good about the gun, or Bushmasters service. Any good AR15 with a quality barrel, that's floated along with hand loads that are worked up (for that particular gun) and a good shooter of course, should be capable of AT LEAST .75 - 1.0 MOA. The attached target is TYPICAL for my Predator AR. Its basically around a .50 -.75 gun..... ( When I'm on and no wind ) .( I'm not the best wind reader ). The scope used was a 3X9 Leupold. On this day : I was in my groove and there was Zero wind. This was the last of 5 targets and the barrel was HOT. None of the other targets were over .75.
I have custom built AR's that are MUCH more accurate however. Two of which are a White Oak Varmint and Compass Lake Varmint. Both of these guns on a good day - with little if any wind - and I'm on.... will easily shoot .40 and below..............ALL DAY LONG. One of the targets below was shot using the White Oak. 5 shots with a group that measures .27 is a better group that I ever shot with a bolt gun..... (that Ive personally owned). Gas guns are GREAT ! If this particular gun ever goes over .50, I know its either me or my loads.....NOT THE GUN.
I only own 1 bolt gun now. I haven't had it out for 2 years. A few years ago after reading the book "Black Magic The Ultra Accurate AR-15" by John Feamster, I started shooting AR'S and haven't looked back. I love the things. I'm not into the shootem up rambo para military crap. I shoot High Power Rifle Competition occasionally, but more than anything I'm a hunter and an accuracy NUT. The AR15 satisfies this old squirrel in that area fur sure.
The Bushmaster Predator is my totin calling gun. I didn't really need it but it was such a SUPER DEAL, I just couldn't say no. Its a bit lighter than my others and its accuracy is more than adequate for Coyote hunting in KY - OH - WV. Of all my coyotes Ive only killed 2 that were over 150 yards. Most shots in my parts are rarely over 85 -100 yards. However with my Predator shooting prone off a pod I would bet $$ on bustin a standing coyote @ 250 yards (using a scope in say the 4X12 range). With my White Oak Varmint and 18X scope, Id go 350 without blinking.(with very little if any wind of course). However......Any QUALITY AR even without a floated barrel, should be capable of 1.50 MOA with good hand loads.( As long as you don't have the barrel so hot its about to melt ). That's plenty accurate for coyotes under 150 yards with a decent shooter.
When I can I'm going to post some PRAISES for 5 companies. Bushmaster - White Oak Armament - Compass Lake - Dillon Precision and Badlands Packs. On forums many times people are upset at companies. Ive had my share of bad luck too. But NOT with any of these.
Well Ive rambled a good bit here but cut me a bit of slack....I'm old and I just LOVE huntin and shootin ! Ive tried to attach some pictures. A Predator target - Me with the Predator and a coyote and my White Oak Varmint.
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/hunter54_photo/PREDATORTARGET100YDScopy.jpg)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/hunter54_photo/Coyote3-11-08.jpg)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/hunter54_photo/WhiteOakVarmintTargetsBobsFarm.jpg)
Yea I am sold on my AR also,, I don't really try any shots with over 150 yard if I don't have to but it shoots well
the photo was a cold windy night on my high rack ,, went out after dinner shot the coyote as it ran in front of the truck and up on a brim of a tank, stopped him and made the shot.
the cat was at the first stand I made after killing the coyote , called in a small pack of coons and this cat worked its way in to about 30 yard and sat down. then back to the heated house I went..
can get cold up in the rack ,,,took couple more cat and 2 badgers the next day
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/SOME%20OF%20MY%20PREDATORS/DSC00032-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/GUIDED%20PREDATOR%20HUNTERS/IMG_0538.jpg)
here is good early season eastern,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/SOME%20OF%20MY%20PREDATORS/DSC00025-1.jpg)
couple more week and it will start up again this year
Couple more pictures. Shot this hog @ 290 Yards off my truck hood and sand bag with my White Oak Varmint. Yep...I was going for a head shot.
If you want one of the best most ultra accurate AR'S out there, give John Holliger a call at 309-376-2288. A great guy and one of the VERY BEST in the business. It may cost you just a bit more at first, but its like a good scope......you'll only cry once. (Johns trigger work is also fantastic).
Notice 20 round magazine. Why the mag pull if I'm not into the paramilitary thing ? I hang my Foxpro remote on it.
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/hunter54_photo/MeGroundHog8-19-08.jpg)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/hunter54_photo/HolingerVarmint223290yardsheadshot.jpg)
good photos, I cant use the AR here in PA , I think i am going to talk to Dan Carry
In AZ about my next one i am looking for a long range large caliber for long shots on hog down south.
I dont even know witch cal. i am looking for just yet,
George,
Great shootin. Great pictures too !
What part of the country are you in ?
George,
Sorry about that. I was distracted by the TV.
So your in the beautiful state of PA.
I do a lot of kayaking on the Yough. One wild river.
That's how I got my bionic arm.......kayaking.
Was Creekin .....(doin waterfalls and such) down in N.C.
But I can still blow a call and pull a trigger....Thank the Lord !
Quote from: George Ackley on September 09, 2008, 10:46:10 PM
good photos, I cant use the AR here in PA , I think i am going to talk to Dan Carry
In AZ about my next one i am looking for a long range large caliber for long shots on hog down south.
I dont even know witch cal. i am looking for just yet,
Give John a call. He might be able to help you out.
We do a lot of canoeing, every spring from the Delaware Water gap down to Philly, I would think its around 60 miles . we camp right on the little islands on the river . good time . but I am having a harder time with the canoes I am looking at getting a good white water rafted for me and the gear. The Delaware Has some good water nothing crazy but spotted with some small fast water.
A nd good fishing all the way down to the city