Well I just walked through the door from my 3rd coyote hunt. My first I had a Bobcat in my lap, my 2nd turned up nothing, and this evening I had 2 yotes all tore up. I'm having a blast out here :yoyo: The only problem is I really dont have any idea what I'm doing :shrug:
My first stand I got blinked but my 2nd I was using a rabbit distress and a yote about 400yards over the hill started what I believe to be some type of cha howl. I just shut up and this progressed for about 2 minutes. I didnt know what to do. It finally shut up so I cha howled back at it and it barked just a couple more times. Everything was quite for a while and I didnt know if it was coming in or what. After I waited (for what seemed to be forever) I tried a howl with no response. I was scared all I was going to do was educate it so I just shut up with the yote calls. After about 10 minutes I used a rabbit distress again and it started answering with the same cha howl in what seemed to be the same location. After that I just packed up and snuck out trying not to do more damage than good.
What should I have done?
Was this at night or in the daytime?
Maybe try moving a little closer. I'm pretty new at this too. Some of the more experienced guys will surely post some suggestions!
Jim
Whats a cha howl?
Quote from: Frogman on February 24, 2009, 10:03:47 PM
Was this at night or in the daytime?
It was at night, just a little bit ago.
Quote from: FinsnFur on February 24, 2009, 10:12:21 PM
Whats a cha howl?
It sounded kinda like a few yips and then a longer bark and just kept doing it. :roflmao: I really dont know?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! the CHA Howl! :nono:
:confused:
Well, I'm gonna pop a guess and say it sounds like a warning howl and he busted you. But again thats just a guess on my part.
How was the wind? Was he down wind from you? If he was...there ya go, busted. :wink:
No the wind was perfect. I honestly dont believe we were busted.
That depends on the type of terrain you were in whether the wind was right or not. Steep areas can fool you badly.
On the other hand working at night with lights you may have done something to trigger his warning response. If you were working with a white light you boogered it. Jimmie
Ya shoulda left sooner sounds like you got busted. :eyebrownod:
Wish I could of left sooner...The whole work thing interferes to much with my hunting.
The wind seemed perfect and we were on top of the hill and the yote was down in the hollar. I guess it could have shifted on me. :doh2: :madd:
If I was busted would it just stay over there and bitch and yell at me as long as it did? I would think it would just leave but Im just learning.
Also what should I have done as far as calling? Maybe just got up and left right there.
And do yotes get vocal often before they come in. I would think they would want to sneek in :shrug:
Were you hunting in Tennessee? If so it was prolly Bopeye trying to call you in using his secret mating call... :biggrin:
Quote from: securpro on February 25, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Were you hunting in Tennessee? If so it was prolly Bopeye trying to call you in using his secret mating call... :biggrin:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Not Tennessee, Bopeye hasnt made any trips to WV lately has he?
Quote from: Hidehunter on February 25, 2009, 08:47:52 AM
If I was busted would it just stay over there and bitch and yell at me as long as it did? I would think it would just leave but Im just learning.
No, thats not how it works all the time. :nono:
They will warn the other coyotes that your there, hence the term "warning howl". And when they do it, unless you've got a clear shot at the squealer, there's nothing you can do.
I believe the "thermals" rolling down off the hill carried your scent to him if he was below you. In the evenings and night, the scent drops down the hills. Then in the morning as the sun warms the hills, it will start to rise up.
Quote from: FinsnFur on February 24, 2009, 10:22:44 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! the CHA Howl! :nono:
OK...here is something for you guys to make fun of me about. I've got a bunch of yote sounds I've been listening to trying to learn the language so to speak. I'm really wanting to be good at this coyote hunting. So once I got home last night I listened to everything and found the one that sounded just like what the coyote was saying. When I found it I looked at what is was called and I had typed in Cha Howl. What I didnt realize untill just now was that I was in a hurry when I wrote everything down. :roflmao: Cha howl = Challenge Howl.
So go ahead and give me a hard time, I'm ready for it.
How does that change things as far as what I should have done?
The challenge howl is often mistaken with the warning howl.
An honest mistake committed by even the best of em. :wink:
Good question.........Challenging him back right now could work or run him off.........Depends on the dog.
Submissive sounds are a good choice or not again up to the dog. It aint easy just go for it and see what happens.
I've often wondered who came up with names for all the different coyote vocalizations.... :confused: and how does anyone really know what a coyote is thinking or saying? :shrug:
I'm really not much of a howler person myself. Bop is the one that is pretty good at working coyotes with his Kee/Elk howler, this I've seen so I know howling does work, at times anyway. :eyebrownod:
If they were 400 yards away I think I would have tried to move a little closer and try some distress sounds or maybe female estrous sounds?? Especially if they sounded like they were staying in one place and not getting closer to you. It all depends on the situation.
Jim
yotes do that when you start off calling to loud when their close to you I know I call loud myself try to start out lower Im guilty of this myself
I forgot to give you away out move 4 to5 hundred yards two barks long high pitch howl dont do anything else with in one hour you will kill you ayote or leave come back next night go to place were dogs howled give out three lone howls wait wait wait long wait you will kill you a yote
I believe it was last Tuesday when All this happened and I havent been back to that stand. I figured I would let things cool down a bit. May go try it out tomorrow.
What part of WV are you in....Craigsville/Summersville here
Here is Jon's web site it will answer some questions for ya.........He is right up the road from me.
http://www.wvhillbillyhowler.com/ (http://www.wvhillbillyhowler.com/)
Jon, you should include this in your profile......
i want you to understand that when i said to move 4 to 5 hundered yards i mean do not go to them, do not go away from them, go parrell to them. the long howl's will settle the yotes down. then you have to wait and be very very patient i know this is very hard to do but patients will kill you a dog. i hunt this way myself, but when i hunt this way myself or with friends, i tend to be impatient and over call a stand. patients learning what the howl's mean, and knowing what to say back to them, will get you dog's. there's many ways to get dogs with a howler but you have to know what the dog is saying first. you can call with loud volume as long as the dogs are far away, or when the wind is blowing high.the loud volume doe's not bother them. in these two ways. buton a clear night no wind close dogs aloud distress call your busted.you can howl as loud as you want on a clear night, it does not bother them. i know i have a 14in. texas long horn howler, and i've howled them at 20yrds. away but aloud distress call in the same situation will get you warning howled i hope this helps you. wvhillbillyhowler
It makes alot of since. I was making a distress call probly way to loud and thats when I got the warning howl. I got ALOT to learn. Im already hooked though.
yotes do not challenghowl distress sounds
From what everybody is telling me the challenge howl and the warning howl sound real similar and as of right now I dont know the difference. I believe it was a warning howl and we got busted. It may be like you said I was playing the distress call to loud.
What is the best way for me to tell the difference between the warning howl and the challenge howl?
Almost all the time when they challenge howle 3 barks short aggresive scream of a howle a male is short deep howle almost always they move forward get around a den this spring and howle ones you will find out real fast what this howle sounds like or you can come hunting with old hillbilly this summer I will get you bitt :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Sounds like fun to me
Did you say what county you live :confused:
I'm in Nicholas
do you have very many dogs there
We have quite a few actually, Havent been seeing as much sign here lately. We have alot of old Strip jobs. I was trapping them and got into trying to call them in. I've hunted 5 times so far with no success. Having a blast though.
:wo:
Primos and Randy Anderson have teamed up to produce a DVD called "Mastering the Art" - "Guide to calling Predators".
In it, are clips of actual yote hunts all over the the USA and Canada.
It describes all the different calls of the coyote and..... when and when not to use them. The DVD as you might expect is a big promotion for Primos Coyote calls. But that aside, it is in my opion a good learning aide for the novice.
He explains the difference between a Challenge Howl, a Warning Howl, a Locator Howl, a Female Invaitation Howl, and other vocalizations that you can use as he says, " to build a senerio".
Randy Anderson also describes how he makes a series of short kissings sounds or a mouse squeaker to coax the little darlin's in close for the shot.
I to am newbe at this wonderful sport, and I did find the DVD very useful. I will confess :shrug: I did buy the Primos products, but there are many name brand Coyote Howlers out there that will do the same job. At least now, I have the confidence to go out and try different things and hopefully recognize what the yotes are trying to say out their.
It is illegal to night hunt here in British Columbia, so I dont know how hunting at night plays different.
Cheers from Canada!
We will hook up soon go kill some dogs :yoyo: :yoyo: :yoyo: :yoyo:
Quote from: wvhillbillyhowler on March 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM
We will hook up soon go kill some dogs :yoyo: :yoyo: :yoyo: :yoyo:
Sounds good to me.
Thanks for the info DawgGone, I'll check it out.
Hey Hidehunter I am over in Pocahontas County we may have to get together some time and see if we can find a yote or 10 to put the hurt on I know we have loads of them here and craigville isnt that far from me so we might just have to do a hunt or 2 in your areas I hunt mainly Sharps knob area old strip mine and the scenic highway in the fields
Yeah we will definatly get together :yoyo: maybe I can learn a thing or two. I was thinking the other day about hunting up on the scenic highway. My father in law dug some ramps up there yesterday.
I got some yotes here at home if I can figure out how to get them in :wo: