Landowner and Dog's....What would you do?

WldWldWest · February 20, 2011, 09:07:00 PM

Quote from: Semp on February 20, 2011, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: WldWldWest on February 20, 2011, 08:33:47 PM

When I had a phone conversation a couple days prior to the hunt there was no mention of dog's,Killing dog's or anything about dogs or I would have told him that I wasnt gonna make the hour long drive cause one, I wanted to hunt coyotes not dog's and the man waited till the last second before he drove away to mention it and It kinda caught me offguard so if thats being dishonest as you say well.....Tough shit! I guess I'm dishonest! But I aint no dog killer.

Whoa! Chill out. Don't get your panties in a wad. The title of this thread is "Landowner and Dog's....What would you do?" I told you what I would do and then you went in to rant about not killing dogs. You didn't have any problem hunting on the man's farm though, did ya? I said why not be up front with the man. Look the man in the eye and tell him how you feel. You chose not to and that's fine with me. But that ain't the way I operate.

According to Coyotehunter_1, it looks like Tennessee has laws against shooting any animals including dogs and cats. So like CCP said, it is a good thing you didn't pull the trigger.

When the man gets tired of his calf's dying, he'll figure out how to handle the problem on his own.

I reread my replys and I couldnt find where I went into a rant anywhere Semp? To be honest I dont think your capable of putting me into a rant. I do appreciate your reply's to my post however. I think I clearly explained how this went down and If you think I was being dishonest I suppose you have a right to be but I dont feel that I was. If anything the landowner put something on me at the last second that I wasnt comfortable with and didnt stick around long enough for me to say yea or neah.

And I dont think your capable of putting my panties in a wad either.

Doug

George Ackley · February 20, 2011, 09:10:56 PM

I don't kill dog , asked to or not.
now if i did then calling in PA may be worth wild, because I call lots more doggies then coyotes .

here a couple on video that came to a lip squeak .
sorry a bout the bad footage

Jeb · February 20, 2011, 09:15:11 PM

Semp, you scentlock wearing dog killer you ! haha

FOsteology · February 20, 2011, 09:28:25 PM

Hmmmm..... if the subject were about cats instead of dogs, I wonder if the responses would be different....

markTNhunter · February 20, 2011, 11:15:40 PM

i would have done the same thin wldwld west,a few years back a friend of mine was bow hunting on a farmers place and he shot 2 of the farmers neighbors bluetick coon hounds the first one he killed the second one he stuck with an arrow and it ran home!when my frind came out of the woods the neighbor and the farmer were waiting on him at the truck and the neighbor pulled a pistol stuck it between my friends eyes and made him begg for his lifehe said if it wastn for the farmer calming the guy down he was mad enough to pull the trigger.my friend payed a few thousand dollers to get out of that mess and it almost cost him his life.i dont shoot another mans dog if isee one while hunting i just let it go on doin what its doin

.it is aginst the law here in tennessee to harm a dog unless defending your self,plus in this part o tennessee shooting a mans dog is worse than slpping his wife in the face

nastygunz · February 20, 2011, 11:38:23 PM

Quote from: Tikaani on February 20, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
As I see it he is getting you to do his dirty work. Dogs wander, hell mine do on occasion so do my neighbors, one guys comes near our property once in awhile and never stops barking in the morning, I have often thought that one of my connibear 330's and it would be over. A guy in Anchorage did just that and he was the one who went to court. I also agree with you, I own dogs, they are part of our family, how would I feel if that happened. In the end it is the land owners situation to deal with not yours, if $hit hits the fan and you killed them don't expect him to stand by your side and defend you, he can't even face his neighbor and solve his own problem. Just my opinion WWW.

John

Spot on Sir !

KySongDog · February 21, 2011, 05:19:38 AM

Well, it looks like we've went from calf killing dogs to the neighbor's boy's pet to blue tick coon hounds.

I guess Fluffy the poodle is next.

WldWldWest · February 21, 2011, 07:14:03 AM

I just dont think anything good can come outta shooting a dog, I think we've all heard the war stories where the dog wanders home with a gunshot or an arrow hanging out of it. If ya catch it in the act being destructive or killing livestock is one thing but if your walking across 1600 acres and stumble on an ole dog just being an ole dog I feel thats a totally different story.

But to redeem myself I intend to call the guy and tell him (I havent talk to him since before the hunt) That I saw some dogs and tell him where I saw em and he can do whatever he wants to do about it. Maybe I'll get Invited back or maybe not. I intend to make sure he doesnt think I was being dishonest or decieving just to hunt the mans land and that I wont be shootin any dogs.

WWW

slagmaker · February 21, 2011, 09:12:58 AM

I will shoot a dog. BUT it depends on the situation. If it one of the six dogs that belong to the local farms. Not only do they get a free pass but I may call them over and give them a scratch. If it is an unknown dog it will be watched for a few. If it is agressive. Wll sorry about its luck. friendly, I check to see if anyone has a new animal. If thats a negative then its game on if I see it again. If I am hunting new property I find out first and for definite what dogs if any are to be disposed of.

I just thought of it but would it not be a good idea to put that on your written permmission to hunt the land. If the land owner has problem animals like that he shouldnt mind taking responsibility for having them erradicated.

nastygunz · February 21, 2011, 11:29:31 AM

Just like these 2 pups...called in, charged, got slobber, cow chit n mud all over me, found out they belong to an older couple with one of those in ground electronic barriers that occasionally goes on the blitz, dogs do get loose:

eleaf · February 24, 2011, 02:06:12 PM

I wouldn't shoot a dog that I knew was a dog short of it attacking people/pets/livestock.

That said, I may well have pulled the trigger on one yesterday (he's about to be looked at by a state wildlife biologist). If I had any questions in the 2 or 3 seconds from the time I saw his head peep up until I pulled the trigger, I wouldn't have shot him. But all of you know far better than I do that once the actions starts, everything moves quick. If you're expecting coyotes, and you see something that looks like a coyote, reacting to a coyote call, all of us would pull the trigger. I saw his head and bushy neck peek up over the ridge with those long, pointy ears way up in the air, put the reticle on him and put him down. I would do it again tomorrow too because he sure as hell looked like a coyote in those 2 or 3 seconds, especially to a new coyote hunter expecting coyotes.

I would never shoot a dog that had a collar unless he was actively attacking pets/people/livestock. I don't aim to be a pet killer.

All that said, feral dogs are as big a threat to livestock and young game as coyotes. According to a Kansas study, feral dogs take down about 25% of all predated livestock, and have no qualms about taking fawns and such. They also pack hunt in ways that coyotes don't (think wolves). If part of the point of being a hunter is to help with game management and helping farmers with predation issues (I don't think any of us would argue against that when it comes to hunting coyotes), it seems to me that taking a feral dog is just the same as taking a coyote, and may be even more helpful in game/livestock management.

vvarmitr · February 25, 2011, 10:03:02 AM

I'm gonna try not to rant, but I probably will.

Seems all your tender mercies are for the dogs so I'm believing you never saw calves ripped all to {L} by dogs, feral or other wise.
When I was 14; dogs got into our herd of calves that we turned out to grass.
6 died that day 2 latter on & the mess & medical attention that the others required was phenomenal!
Dogs aren't like coyotes; they grab what ever & rip. Ears, nose, tail, legs, etc.
Dad actually found a dog chewing/eating on a calf that was still alive.

From that day forward I killed dogs. I don't really like, but I do it.
And ya know it was suddenly amazing how well people could take care of their dogs then!

Then there are the mishaps between kids roaming the fields & being confronted by dogs.

As for little Johnie losing Sparky .... dogs are like women .... you can always get another one.

However, in that situation we were the property owners, so until Doug gets more information from his land owner he probably did the right thing. Especially considering the law.

Bills Custom Calls · February 25, 2011, 11:13:09 AM

The neighbor had 2 dogs he let run free and i always told him if his dogs ever start trouble with my dogs that were tied i would drop them right there and I would deliver them to his front yard,that went for chasing deer or if I hear of them getting in another neighbors cows.

It wasn't long I seen another dog running with the first 2.I knew that dog also,and I made it very well known that i would kill that bulldog mix breed if it ever showed up at my place,she called and left threatening messages on my answering machine that she was gonna knife me to death Chris called the sheriff when the deputy listened to the message he said he would talk to her my reply was tell her it is useless to bring a knife to a gun fight.

A short few weeks later the 3 dogs got into a goat pen one night and killed 6 of 8 goats.
The old Billy made his marks on each one of the dogs.
The dog warden was called and all 3 dogs were put down and the owners had to pay for the goats.The dog owners were also told there is a leash law in Ohio and they will be charged for breaking the law.

I felt bad for the goats cause I had the chance to put the dogs down a few times and didn't do it.but when I seen them they were doing nothing wrong

alscalls · February 25, 2011, 05:35:09 PM

I know all my neighbors.... and their dogs..... So I kinda know whos dog I am looking at..... and I just go talk to the owner.... I have trapped a few of em on accident..... and just took em home...
If their is a dog or a group of dogs running wild it aint long...we all talk about it and they disappear.... And Its a mutual thing among the neighbors..... I would never ask someone else to take care of the problem for me.... as I know whos who...... They(someone hunting on me) dont.......

WldWldWest · February 25, 2011, 06:42:01 PM

Quote from: vvarmitr on February 25, 2011, 10:03:02 AM
I'm gonna try not to rant, but I probably will.

Seems all your tender mercies are for the dogs so I'm believing you never saw calves ripped all to {L} by dogs, feral or other wise.

Believe it or not I have seen what what dog's can do feral or pet's, The worst was my neighbor's lil girl getting mauled by a pit bull that I witnessed and then promptly killed! You know the dog, Fluffy that never harmed anyone Blah, Blah, Blah. Thats the reason I have an itch to Kill pit's, Now this is just my opinion but I think the breed should be exterminated, Now before anyone goes off the deep end thats just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I'm just making a point. As I said before I wouldnt hesitate to shoot a dog that I caught being destructive or menacing but just cause I see it walking around doesnt mean I'm going to. The Bunch I deer hunt with will shoot a dog in a heartbeat but thats on them! I did talk to the landowner of that property today and told him about the dogs and how I felt and he said that he understood and not to worry about it and that he shot 2 of em that evening. He also said I was welcome to come back anytime which I intend to do tomorrow!

WWW

KySongDog · February 26, 2011, 01:53:16 AM

Quote from: WldWldWest on February 25, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
.......... and that he shot 2 of em that evening. He also said I was welcome to come back anytime which I intend to do tomorrow!

All's well that ends well.

As for pit bulls, I like them a lot. I've always wanted one but my wife won't hear of it.

Since I need my wife more than the dog, I go along to get along.

vvarmitr · February 26, 2011, 09:34:30 AM

Quote from: WldWldWest on February 25, 2011, 06:42:01 PMThats the reason I have an itch to Kill pit's, Now this is just my opinion but I think the breed should be exterminated,

So you understand the emotions I get remembering the calf killing incident.

Makes my blood boil!

Glad you got to talk the land owner & it turned out good.