Kel-tec P11

KySongDog · December 31, 2011, 05:34:34 AM

The tip is a polymer ball covering the hollow point which ensures the round will feed as well as a FMJ. Upon impact the bullet violently expands.

Under the high stress of an immediate life or death situation here is what happens to most people:

-Your hearing will shut down (called auditory exclusion)

-You get tunnel vision

-Your heart rate becomes very rapid coupled with adrenaline dump

-Your fine motor skills go out the window (therefore a 2 pound trigger is not good for concealed carry)

That is why extreme high stress training is so important. When the critical moment occurs, one reverts to trained muscle memory and acts instinctively. Find a good self defense firearms trainer and take some classes. You might be surprised at what you learn.

Hawks Feather · December 31, 2011, 08:58:12 AM

Quote from: Semp on December 31, 2011, 05:34:34 AM
Find a good self defense firearms trainer and take some classes.

What a bunch of bull. Jim is king of the internet and he once read about how to handle himself in any type of circumstance. He is more qualified than any member of the military special forces - who have spent years in practice and classroom training. Why would you suggest something like this to the Internet Master?

Jerry

P.S. I hope that everyone realizes that my post above can be summed up with the first sentence of my post. The only difficult part of that is finding a qualified person for the instruction. Someone who "read about it on the internet" is NOT who I would want giving my instruction.

slagmaker · December 31, 2011, 09:53:39 AM

The Reality check aritcle by Clint Smith in the Jan/Feb 2012 American handgunner sums it up pretty well. Look for and ask for credentials. If they get upset cause you asked and or wont show you there credentials it is most likley best to move on to another who will.

Just because someone belonged to spec-ops something dosnt mean a whole lot. Were they trigger pullers or cooks? Remember parachute packers, cooks, plane loaders and other support personel all belogned to the same orginazation.

FinsnFur · December 31, 2011, 12:03:07 PM

Quote from: Hawks Feather on December 31, 2011, 08:58:12 AM
Jim is king of the internet

King of the BS

nastygunz · December 31, 2011, 02:18:32 PM

Quote from: FinsnFur on December 31, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: Hawks Feather on December 31, 2011, 08:58:12 AM
Jim is king of the internet

King of the BS

I think you should give yourself a 1 day ban for being disrespectful to yourself?

FinsnFur · December 31, 2011, 03:26:02 PM

Should I Nasty?

Hey Semp, did you take that picture of the Powrballs? Do you use them?... or have you shot them?

I'm asking cause I just seen a clip on youtube where a guy was trash talking them cause they actually delayed the action in his gun.
He'd cycle it manually several times and the bullets would hang on the feeding ramp for a split second or two until it had enough momentum to fly up into the chamber. It was actually creepy looking.
That made me wonder if those tips were like rubber or like an eraser where they would cause friction when pressed hard against something.

KySongDog · December 31, 2011, 10:19:55 PM

That is a pic I grabbed from the net. But yes, I have used them. If they are "hanging" on some dude's feeding ramp, well, there is something wrong with his gun, the feeding ramp, or his magazine.

And at 1,475 fps there ain't, I say, there ain't gonna be much friction.

Those are +P rounds pahdna'.

If your gun won't feed Powrball ammo, then it most likely won't feed fmj either. Which means you should get rid of the gun. Some people say the bullet is too light, too fast, not deep penetrating, yada, yada, yada. I sure as L would not want to be shot with one of them.

FinsnFur · December 31, 2011, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: Semp on December 31, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
And at 1,475 fps there ain't, I say, there ain't gonna be much friction.

No no, I meant friction against the feeding ramp. And I had wondered if thats what they were hanging on the guy. His slide would slowly creep ahead and then all of a sudden it would slam shut.

But yeah I hear ya, on having his gun looked at. I mean it's not like there's hundred of people whining about feed problems with the stuff.
Very interesting video by the way.

KySongDog · January 01, 2012, 06:55:15 AM

Quote from: FinsnFur on December 31, 2011, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: Semp on December 31, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
And at 1,475 fps there ain't, I say, there ain't gonna be much friction.

No no, I meant friction against the feeding ramp. And I had wondered if thats what they were hanging on the guy. His slide would slowly creep ahead and then all of a sudden it would slam shut.

But yeah I hear ya, on having his gun looked at. I mean it's not like there's hundred of people whining about feed problems with the stuff.
Very interesting video by the way.

Gotcha.

Yeah, if the guy's gun is having difficulty feeding Powrball then there is definitely a problem with the gun. Reliable feeding is one of the reasons Corbon developed Powrball in the first place.

OK, enough of this stuff about Powrball ammo. Your P11 should be able to feed and shoot a variety of ammo. And there are good hollow point choices out there that are way less expensive than Powrball.

For a relatively inexpensive round, try Remington Golden Sabre. Also, one of the best you can buy is Federal Hydra Shok ammo.

FinsnFur · January 01, 2012, 08:40:21 AM

Yeah, I'm actually in the process of trying several types.
I gotta say...I might have to get another one. This thing is so much fun to shoot. It makes my P89 seem lethargic.

FinsnFur · January 05, 2012, 04:41:34 PM

I gotta say, I'm not real fond of this

What happens on a resize stroke when your working with this?

slagmaker · January 05, 2012, 04:59:14 PM

looks like ejection dings. resizing should take care of the dings. What type dies ya using?

KySongDog · January 05, 2012, 05:06:40 PM

Who reloads 9mm?

slagmaker · January 05, 2012, 07:38:45 PM

depends on the volume ya shoot. If Jim is wanting to reload and all hes got are the little P11 and a P89. He is gona have to spend a lot of time at the range before it becomes feasable or cost effective to reload 9's.

BUT my answer stands true. resizing should take care of the dings with no problem.

FinsnFur · January 05, 2012, 08:43:38 PM

Actually Rick223 and I both are contemplating this. He's got a couple 9's, I have a couple, and we've been hashing over reloading a bunch of them. If nothing else to be prepared when the zombies come through town.

He already reloads, so I figured if I helped him out with set up costs by picking up the dies and some brass, or powder, we could stock up our stock.

Were still throwing costs, but I'm wondering what these dents would do after being resized, or if anyones stroked out dents like that.

slagmaker · January 05, 2012, 10:20:32 PM

They will stroke out. But if your gona relolad 9's ya really need a dillon automatic press and do thousands of them.

KySongDog · January 06, 2012, 05:57:24 AM

I've reloaded 45acp but not 9mm. Like Slag said one needs to shoot a lot to make that pay and a high volume press comes in handy.

I usually just buy a 1,000 rounds at a time of 115gr 9mm and don't save the brass.

FinsnFur · January 06, 2012, 06:17:48 AM

Yeah, Rick talked about pouring our own lead, but we'll see what happens

weedwalker · January 24, 2012, 02:44:42 AM

How's the Kel-tec doing now Jim? Did you get the feed problem worked out? Did you settle on a holster?

FinsnFur · January 24, 2012, 06:24:50 AM

I'm loving this thing Ed. I'm going to burn the barrel off it if I dont put it away once in a while. I like shooting this better then my P89.

I stopped putting the Winchester Personal Protection rounds in it and the feed problems stopped. It'll digest other hollows, it just dont like those.
It's been recommended that I have the feeding ramp buffed, which I'm gonna do also.

One of my daughters picked me up an Uncle Mikes ISW holster and I really like it. The gun is small enough I can, sit bend over, or tie my shoes comfortably. I'm not sure what I'll do in the summer yet.