Closed reed, and I'm sticking too it.

[Todd Rahm]

Spoke to an old timer today that was corrected by a new generation spinner on a subject that I have seen several times on the forums. 

I think it was Rich (You dog) that started this over at PM a few years ago  and I really don't care what others call them, but what does bother me, is the new guys correcting folks that have been around a while.

I'll see someone who' we all know and who has been around the block for the last 30 years, refer to a call as a closed reed, and then watch some new feller that's been around for less then a year, step in and correct him. Stating that they are called "Enclosed Reed". 

They started out as and have always been known as closed reeds. Why? I don't know and really don't care and for history reasons, I'll continue to refer to them as that. Use the word you want to describe them, but don't correct the folks that have been hands on with them longer then you have been hunting and in some case alive.  :shck:

Ya can come up with probably fifteen words to describe it,    but it was first called the "Closed Reed".

Whats next? The new name for the open reed is the "Un-Enclosed" "Uncovered Reed" "Half Un-enclsoded reed"  :roflmao:

So call it what ya want, but don't try to tell a feller who has been calling it a closed reed since the 70's, that all of a sudden, because you don't like the terminology or haven't been around long enough to know better, that he is wrong. 

And respect your elders when your talking to them, and they just might share some learn'n leasons with ya. 

[Hawks Feather]

Well, I am 50% guilty in that I do call them enclosed and not closed.  BUT, I have never tried, nor will I try, to change anyone from calling it closed, brass reed, or anything else.       That would be very inconsiderate and quite rude.  I had seen it used both ways and just liked enclosed (due to the fact that the reed was enclosed in the call) better.  Maybe I should change.  I guess I looked at it much like the name for a carbonated drink - around her we call it pop, while some other places call it soda, and some places (even it it is a can of Pepsi) it is called Coke.  (If you want to know what it is called in your area, you live in check this  http://popvssoda.com:2998/ )

I just assumed that "closed" came about as being the opposite of open, but would be interested in knowing.  So, I would encourage those of you with knowledge on how the term got started to share.

Jerry

[FinsnFur]

Mr Nistetter? where are you?

[Todd Rahm]

Jerry,

Its not the what ya call it the bothers me, and I'm Ok if ya call it an enclosed reed. 

Its just that fact the new guys are correcting the older fellers on it, and they don't know any better.

In this case it was by a new spinner that hadn't picked up a call a year ago, but is now spinning them, and correcting my 60 year old buddy who grew up calling since he was a youngster in Texas. I had seen it several times in post in other forums and just shook my head, but when I talked to Ken a few days ago and he mentioned it, I just figured I'd voice my opinion on it. He  mentioned something about a "snot nosed kid"  :roflmao:

Kinda like a new fella telling Gerry Blair, he dosn't know anything about calling. 

[Hawks Feather]

Todd,

I have to agree that there are some "I know it all" people out there.  I learned a long time ago that you can't win a peeing match with a skunk, which most of the know it all are.  I usually just try to steer clear of them and then watch as the make a fools out of themselves.

Jim,
I do have Jay's book on Predator Calls and he uses the term Closed Reed, but there is no explanation as to why.  I will send Jay an email and see what I can find out.

Jerry

[THO Game Calls]

When you live in a closed society, and you know nothing but what is fed to you by people you believe to be knowledagle because of thier position or self promoted status, but in truth are not,  the wealth of knowledge becomes diluted. You reap what you sew. 

Al

[KySongDog]

Closed reed or enclosed reed?  Hmm.......

And perhaps an open reed is really an exposed reed.  Hmm.....


Now I have a headache and need to take my meds and lay down for awhile. 



:roflmao:   :roflmao:   :roflmao:   :roflmao:

[Hawks Feather]

Hi Jay,

Todd Ramm did a post on Fins and Fur  about some new new call maker giving a bunch of grief to an experienced call  maker who uses the term "Closed Reed" when (according to the know it all)   should be "Enclosed Reed".  I did a reply that I had seen both  terms used and started using enclosed reed but didn't really have any reason  for it.  I know that in your book you use closed, but do you know how the  term got started?

Thanks,

Jerry

I got this back from Jay.

Hi Jerry,

Nope.  Sure don't. I'm like you. I don't have any particular reason for using "closed" other than that's possibly how I heard it first.
Actually I have no idea where or when or who labelled the different types of calls.

The correct term is ENCAPSULATED METAL REED DOLL VOICE or air driven noise maker with the sole purpose to irritate parents.
And the actual term isn't open reed it is EXPOSED REED or un-enclosed for some.  No batteries required. LOL

I knowingly call coyotes "dogs" too so using "closed reed" would not be inappropriate just so everyone is on the same page and knows what you are talking about.

"Enclosed" and "Exposed" may be a better terms. There are metal and plastic reeds of both types.  Would the rubber band call be partially closed or partially open?

JC Products has been around since Wintriss and simply uses "Voice Units".

Cut and paste my thoughts if you wish.

Here's a good question for you...

When is a call considered a "custom" call?
Would a first attempt at making a call be considered "custom"?  The 20th, 50th, 100th?

Jay

[Todd Rahm]

Good stuff Jerry.  Gotta love that Jay Nistetter.

[FinsnFur]

Cut and paste my thoughts if you wish.

Jay

I woulda gave him the web address    :roflmao:

[Hawks Feather]

Jim,

I did.  In a follow-up email he said that he might have to stop by and see what has been posted.

Jerry

[Uncle Jay]

I made it.  took me 2 days and 3 names and 2 different computers to do it.  I think the confirmation emails were spammed and deleted.

As far as "closed reed" goes I think the proper term should be "Hidden Reed".  We hide them deep in a hole so guys can't mess with them. They are delicate little creatures.

[Todd Rahm]

Welcome aboard Uncle Jay, glad to see ya stopping in. 

For you guys that don't know Jay here, weaned me on the teat of predator calls and collecting. He also knows a lil' more then he lets on.   

[Uncle Jay]

Hello nephew Todd.

Years ago when I wore short pants I can still remember what an old fellow once told me and it stuck.

I'll tell you everything I know and gladly make up the rest.

[FinsnFur]

Welcome to the site Mr Nistetter. Good to see ya 

[Hawks Feather]

Jay,

It is good to have you here.  Your expertise in call making and sounds will be a real asset.

Jerry

[vvarmitr]

As far as "closed reed" goes I think the proper term should be "Hidden Reed". 

Remember folks, you heard it here first on  Fins & Fur. 

BTW Welcome to the board! Sure hope you know something about coyote hunting.

[bowjunkie]

WOOHOO,, welcome to the board Uncle Jay