Howl first or howl later?

[alscalls]

I was wondering do you guys howl at the beginning of your set or at the end or in the middle or not at all?
I love to howl emup and wanted your scope on the subject.
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[DirtyDog]

I have never called em in on a set that I howl on. When I howl, I always howl a few times on the first couple series, then switch it over to distess. So I am curious to hear what others have to say works for them. 

[alscalls]

MEEEEEEEE to

[FinsnFur]

I've had more responses...meaning coyotes coming..to howling with no distress, then I have to howling WITH distress. I dont know if it's geographic location or not.
One thing I can say though, the whole month of March up here is the best time all season for howls. Right before denning.

[cb223]

How much and what kind of howling do you do Jim?

[MI VHNTR]

I've had very good results when I howl in the morning right after the coyotes howl at dawn. The distress sounds don't seem to matter as the coyotes come right to the source of the howling. I had a friend of mine trying out his new caller and playing a distress sound. The coyotes howled right after daylight, so I howled back at them. The coyote ran right past his decoy and caller to look for the source of the howling.  I've had this happen more than once. MI VHNTR

[alscalls]

Thats what Im talking about!!! 
MORE MORE

I love it when that happens but they usually hang up just out of sight..........
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[Yotehntr]

I've had fare luck with howling. When I've used howling they've always circled, to get a wiff of who it is I guess.  To get back to the first question I've used howls at the beginning and I've used soft distress, if no luck, howl then distress.

[northern coyote]

now I ain't killed one yet, but ive gotten the most responses to just howling with a few soft barks than I have ever gotten using any kind of distress

[Greenside]

My opinion is that the sooner you let that coyote know he's dealing with another coyote, the sooner the stand will be over.

[Rich]

Greenside is correct, or at least I agree with his above statement.  The purpose of the howl is to tell resident coyotes that a stranger has invaded their territory. I howl once or twice, maybe three times to begin the stand. I use non aggressive, Lonesome sounding howls with no barks.  After the howls, I wait in silence for a few minutes.  Coyotes around here usually come in silent.

[Frogman]

It seems to me that distress sounds are less risky than howling.  They do not scare off any potential coyotes.  On the other hand howls and coyote vocalizations could frighten young or less aggresive coyotes.  For this reason I like to begin my stands with prey distress sounds for the first half of the stand.  If I have no success I at least know I haven't scared anything away.  Then I try howls  the second half of the stand.

Jim

[Rich]

Your theory may be sound in unexploited area's, but coyotes in many area's are wise to rabbit screams by now. 

[alscalls]

Sounds like Jim and I do It much the same, However I do want to know what work or not for all you guys.

[CCP]

I am more on the lines of Frogman myself. We have given it a good try. We did 20 sets in the fall using howls only and 20 sets using distress only. Then we repeated this same test in the spring. We concluded in our area and the setups we use that distress during the stand and barks and yelps at the end of the stand works best for us.

I would how ever try this in your area because there are many people doing the howls with good success.

[alscalls]

This is interesting........ I usually tend to distress first and howl at the end, most of the time. I wonder if it is an eastern thing or what
And I may or may not use a rabbit squaller, but what ever I use I try and play out a show of what is killing the rabbit, or whatever and what may be going on around that rabbit I will use several calls in one set. I never just sit and squall.
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[FinsnFur]

How much and what kind of howling do you do Jim?

Depends on the situation Rich....?? Did I get your name right or did I just make a fool of myself.

If my partner is with me, we howl back and forth, and have even challenged each other, and drew in coyotes.
Alone, sometimes I will do a couple drawed out lonely howls and then just settle in. They come...they come in slow and weary but they come.

[ilcoyote]

howling is a joke!!! we had try it a few times and hate the response that we get.

[cb223]

How much and what kind of howling do you do Jim?

Depends on the situation Rich....?? Did I get your name right or did I just make a fool of myself.

If my partner is with me, we howl back and forth, and have even challenged each other, and drew in coyotes.
Alone, sometimes I will do a couple drawed out lonely howls and then just settle in. They come...they come in slow and weary but they come.

You made a fool of yourself.     Thanks for the info.

How slow?

Maybe I should do more posting than reading!

Chad

[FinsnFur]

  Chad!
Sorry Pal.

How slow?...Well the fastest one I can actually recall was like 40 seconds , but it's never happened since. She ran right out on the frozen river, completely exposed herself and looked round like she was lost. Rick223 was squatted against the steep river bank on the other side, and I was in the middle of the river hunkered into pile of downed treetops.

If I had to play an average I'd say 40 minutes.


ilcoyote
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