Hunting coyotes with pups?

[Carolina Coyote]

Everybody has a opinion about when to hunt coyotes whether they are right or wrong its their opinion and most everyone has his reason for that opinion, the wildlife department in my State put a camera on a coyote den during the Fawning season last year and during a 30 day period the female coyote killed 15 fawns during that period to feed her pups, now I am a Deer hunter and love Venison, I don't hate coyotes because I love to hunt them, but I don't eat them, I don't know most of the guys that post on this site but I know a few and there is some Damn good coyote hunters here but I have not met one yet that I think has the ability to eradicate coyotes or even wants to. All this BS about right or wrong is just that BS. cc

[FinsnFur]

Geez Carl...having a bad day buddy? 
No one is saying it's right or wrong, not that I could find anyway. Their just stating why they do or dont. It's all good.

[slagmaker]

Hey I dont cause that is my choice. Now some of the areas I hunt ahave had there quail and rabbit populations wiped out by yotes, foxes and feral cats. I will hunt yotes in these areas IF the land owner wants me to. Got to do something to help the other things I like to hunt

[FinsnFur]

Yeah but you dont count Slag...your harvester of fuzzy things. 

[awh]

Jim, How about a poll to see what the majority thinks? Not to say anyone is right or wrong here, just for fun.

I would do it, but my computer skills are way behind yours ol great one... (Yeap, I couldn't figure it out? )

[keekee]

Poll is pined at the top for you all to vote on!


Brent

[Carolina Coyote]

Gee Carl...having a bad day buddy? 
No one is saying it's right or wrong, not that I could find anyway. Their just stating why they do or dint. It's all good. :yo yo:

Not really having a bad day,  and I didn't mean to sound offensive, just voicing my opinion,a lot of the States have no Hunting season on coyotes and the wildlife departments are encouraging the hunters to kill coyotes because of the affect they are having on other wildlife. The coyotes have moved into so many suburban areas and killing peoples pets and livestock and it presents a lot of opportunity's to hunt them year round and as some of the other members have stated that some of the areas they hunt the people that own the land expect results and if they don't come in when they are having a problem they may lose their hunting rights. I can agree that every coyote is not a problem but given the right opportunity he will be a problem. I just think that hunting them year round is not going to put them on the endangered species list. From what I have seen so far most people hunt when they want to as long as its legal and that's the way I feel. I personally am a very ethical hunter and want to keep it that way and I may get a little defensive if someone starts suggesting that you should only hunt coyotes at a certain time of the year because those times of the year I may be hunting something else. Like I said everyone has a opinion.cc

[RShaw]

Just exactly what is a problem coyote? I have lived on a farm my entire life and other than the time coyotes put us out of the sheep business over 40 years ago, I have not encountered a problem coyote. I live in cattle country  and I know most of the farmers who raise cattle around here. Most of them are honest men and will say that they have not lost one calf due to a coyote. Now a few calves have been stomped to death when the mama gets nervous when a couple of coyotes are waiting to eat some after birth or the first poop out of the calf, but other than that, nothing.  As far as I am concerned, the number of fawns eaten by coyotes is not enough anyways.

Randy

[Bopeye]

My brother's father-in-law is losing chickens like crazy. He shined the night before last and saw a coyote getting one. I guess he could be classified as a problem. 

[RShaw]

We raised chickens for the meat and eggs. If you did not put them in the chicken house every night, you were asking for a problem.

Randy

[Bopeye]

If you put these chickens in the chicken house together........they will all be dead. Fighting chickens kinda do that......

[keekee]

Bop,

I don't know if this will help or not but I'm doing some work for a guy now on some roosters. Its coons killing all his roosters. There are coyote tracks in there as well but it looks like there just there to clean up the craps. A couple coons have taken 16 roosters as of today there. Now it time to go to war! Traps are out, so we will know for sure in the morning!

Mink and coons are very hard on roosters. A good 35 or 55 gal drum helps some and enough of a lead for them to be able to move a bit helps as well. This guy had these roosters tied on a very short leash and half a barrel! 


Brent

[RShaw]

I don't know nothing about fighting chickens, but like Brent said sometimes a coyote gets the blame when he is not the culprit. Some perceive a coyote just standing on their land as a problem. The next time someone calls and asks you to remove a spring or summer time problem coyote, say you will be right out in the morning. Also, tell them it will cost 100 dollars for each problem coyote you remove. I bet you will see real quick just how big a problem they got.

Randy

[CCP]

I think a lot of the problem is geographical in debates or post like these.

Example when I lived in North FL. I had plenty of places to hunt coyotes and could not get to them all. I usually only hunted these places in the winter.

In the summer I got $50 bucks ahead for coyotes and coyote pups. Watermelon farmers were my main customers. You would be amazed at how many watermelons a few coyotes can bust open in a night. Yes they can bust a ripe not rotten watermelon open with ease and only eats a few bites and goes to the next. I also had a lot of beef cattle places call me. The coyotes were not directly killing the cows. they would hang around the feed lots for the rats. Problem was they would cause the cows to bunch up and stress out. Same as if a dog was around.

I witnessed with my father on our own farm from a distance a group of cows in the feed lot bunching up and running around in circles. Dad told me to go see what was going on. When I got there the cow where bunched up to the fence and it starting giving way and some went over. Then I noticed a coyote not chasing them but there causing the commotion. Took the rest of the day to get cows and fix fences.

Most cattle farmers look at coyotes the same as stray dogs in a lot of cases.

[Rich]

"My brother's father-in-law is losing chickens like crazy. He shined the night before last and saw a coyote getting one. I guess he could be classified as a problem. "
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Bopeye,
Which one is the problem. Coyote or Father in Law?  :)

[Bopeye]

"My brother's father-in-law is losing chickens like crazy. He shined the night before last and saw a coyote getting one. I guess he could be classified as a problem. "
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Bopeye,
Which one is the problem. Coyote or Father in Law?  :)

Good question Rich.......

I do know this much about him though. When he shines a spotlight on a critter that is carrying one of his chickens off, he can tell the difference.
A coon has a mask and a ringtail, whereas a coyote doesn't.
There are some other features that are easy to identify the differences, even in the dark with a spotlight shining on it. 

[studabaka]

Thus far, my experience is that exculsion strategies are the best and most affordable approach for poultry over the long term. Black buzzards are a bigger problem than yotes when it comes to cattle. Goat problems usually require removing the yotes in that territory. Good business and farmer relations require action when called. Results/customer satisfaction is a function of livestock lost and not critters removed. Urban yotes seem to be the biggest issue to deal with during the denning season. I have not encountered any yotes yet that have designed their denning territory around livestock as the food source.....yet.

[Carolina Coyote]

Just exactly what is a problem coyote? I have lived on a farm my entire life and other than the time coyotes put us out of the sheep business over 40 years ago, I have not encountered a problem coyote. I live in cattle country  and I know most of the farmers who raise cattle around here. Most of them are honest men and will say that they have not lost one calf due to a coyote. Now a few calves have been stomped to death when the mama gets nervous when a couple of coyotes are waiting to eat some after birth or the first poop out of the calf, but other than that, nothing.  As far as I am concerned, the number of fawns eaten by coyotes is not enough anyways.

Randy

A problem Coyote could be in the eyes of the beholder, The problem I see with Coyotes and Bobcats  killing Fawns is they make no distinction whether its a buck or doe, we prefer to let the fawns mature and harvest Does to maintain a proper balance of Buck- Doe ratio on our Hunt Club. Some of the farms I hunt have lost calves and the cow giving birth to the calf to coyotes , The farmers on these farms consider these coyotes to be a problem .
We put a lot of effort on our Hunt Club to maintain a good wildlife habitat. Some of that effort is predator control. I can agree with Randy that not enough Does ( not Fawns ) are being killed as we still have to harvest quite a few does each year. I have not seen to many bucks on any property that I have ever hunted. I am an avid hunter and the Coyote hunting open a new avenue to have something to hunt year round, not to offend anyone by any means, I respect everyone's opinion and hope that they can respect mine. cc

[Bopeye]

Would these coyotes be considered problem coyotes or not? ----------> http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=29853&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[weedwalker]

If it was my dog they attacked, they would be a problem.